FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6511 posts, RR: 11 Posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4787 times:
Two weeks ago, one of the Continental VPs was telling us that the Q400s will be getting an F cabin very soon.
Today, a Q400 captain said the same thing to me. I have yet to read about it or see anything on the Continental intranet. Anyone have anything concrete or heard similar stories?
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EMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 635 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4445 times:
It would be consistent with UA's strategy of offering F on all aircraft with more than 50 seats. Consistent product offerings = one step closer to getting the merger done.
Moreover, consider that CO does push the range on their Q400s to about 500 nm. It would make sense to offer F on routes like EWR-CMH and EWR-RDU.
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TedEx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4135 times:
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter): Two weeks ago, one of the Continental VPs was telling us that the Q400s will be getting an F cabin very soon.
Today, a Q400 captain said the same thing to me. I have yet to read about it or see anything on the Continental intranet. Anyone have anything concrete or heard similar stories?
I brought the Q400 up this week with a former colleague who is involved in the UAX system. I speculated that the Q400 might be a possible re-fleeting option for SkyWest/ASA with the ExpressJet acquisition, scope clauses, etc. and he seemed to believe that any Q400s in a merged UA/CO system would be reconfigured to include an F cabin. That seemed weird to me, and it isn't like he gave a source or anything... but my experience with his predictions is that he tends to be fairly on the mark.
TOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6171 posts, RR: 9 Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4068 times:
I get why they would do it, but it would be weird to have first class at 27,000 feet If anything it would just be drink service, no meals would be served on such short routings. So I guess my question is, would there really be a need for a premium cabin?
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EMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 635 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3929 times:
27000 feet is only 3000 less than 30000 Heck, I've been on DL mainline flights (long ones, like ATL-YUL) that cruised at 27000-29000 feet.
And as small as that F cabin would be (probably 6-9 seats max), they could definitely pass the snack basket around. I've flown in F on an OO CR9 SLC-LAS (that's only 350 nm) and we got multiple beverages and snacks.
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FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6511 posts, RR: 11 Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3013 times:
Ok so here's the deal.
It's not a true F cabin. The seats do have more legroom and there is a curtin separating those 4 rows from the rest of the cabin. Also, there are extended overhead bins throughout the entire cabin so most carry-ons now will fit. The idea is the seats will be for elite customers.
This is on the newest delivered Q400 (don't know what the reg is, sorry).
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dashman From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 66 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2988 times:
Quote: I get why they would do it, but it would be weird to have first class at 27,000 feet If anything it would just be drink service, no meals would be served on such short routings
Some operators are pushing their Q400 routes out to 2.5 to 3 hours flight time. F not a bad idea. Also takes a little bit of the sting out being a turboprop and all.
I dont think Colgan Q400's have drop down masks so they will be limited to 25,000 ft
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21215 posts, RR: 19 Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2677 times:
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5): It's not a true F cabin. The seats do have more legroom and there is a curtin separating those 4 rows from the rest of the cabin. Also, there are extended overhead bins throughout the entire cabin so most carry-ons now will fit. The idea is the seats will be for elite customers.
Sounds like Y+ with a curtain...
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kgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 3644 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2658 times:
Quoting dashman (Reply 6): Some operators are pushing their Q400 routes out to 2.5 to 3 hours flight time.
That would be QX. I've done SEA-BIL-SEA at 662 miles each way. Great scenery--plenty to see at 25000 feet. Free snacks and local micro-brew make it palatable.
clickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9444 posts, RR: 72 Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2644 times:
NWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4857 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2561 times:
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5): It's not a true F cabin. The seats do have more legroom and there is a curtin separating those 4 rows from the rest of the cabin. Also, there are extended overhead bins throughout the entire cabin so most carry-ons now will fit. The idea is the seats will be for elite customers.
Sounds like ExPlus...
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kgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 3644 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2342 times:
Quoting clickhappy (Reply 9): Surely LAX-SUN is longer than SEA-BIL?
Yes, by 34 miles [and 25 minutes longer enroute] on the same airline.
captaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5093 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2318 times:
Quoting EMB170 (Reply 4): 27000 feet is only 3000 less than 30000 Heck, I've been on DL mainline flights (long ones, like ATL-YUL) that cruised at 27000-29000 feet.
Heck i have been on CO mainline flights LGA to IAH at FL250. Granted it was due to some really awful headwinds, but cruising altitude is not a big factor here, length of flight and consistency of product is.
isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 26 Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2160 times:
I'm wondering if this is so, will it be like the good ole days and put F in the back. The Connie's and L-188's had coach up front and F in the rear. On a prop, its pretty noisy next to or near the power but much quieter in the rear portion of the aircraft.....lets see what happens here.
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n7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1491 posts, RR: 12 Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2150 times:
Bombardier does market a Q400 first class cabin kit. 1x2 seating with shortened overhead bins above the one-side.
kgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 3644 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1971 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15): Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 11):
Quoting clickhappy (Reply 9):
Surely LAX-SUN is longer than SEA-BIL?
Yes, by 34 miles
LAX-SUN 605 nm
SEA-BIL 577 nm
Viscount,
We're both on the same side in this, so I'm preaching to the choir.
Anyway, I went back and checked Landings.com's aviation database which I use for such things.
On that web site, I get:
--Seattle International to Billings-Logan Field at 661.8 statute miles
--Los Angeles International to Sun Valley-Friedman Memorial at 696.1 statute miles.
So, the difference I get is 34.3 miles. But that's what I reported.
I suspect if we use different databases and switch back and forth from statute miles (what I use) to nautical miles (what you use) we'll never get the same figures twice.
Btw, the block times I quoted are Horizons and come from their web site.
SuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 563 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1933 times:
Sun Valley - LA is actually planned at 836 miles. It's what we always joked as the "Area 51" routing. The routing goes LAX-RNO-SUN which adds a lot of miles (and time) if the military airspace is active on the direct routing.
While I have become a total fan of E+, but mind you, I don't pay for it. First Class (RJ style) is pretty much a waste. However, in Continental's case, they claimed on the last quarter conference call that International is all that makes them the money. Therefore with lots of Q400 ops in and out of Newark, it makes sense for CO to have a first cabin or E+ on the Q400s. For someone like Lynx or Horizon or Porter, E+ is the most they should ever invest in as long as they don't lose seats (and yes I know that Lynx days are numbered).
Anyone know how Air Canada is going to outfit their Q400s?
kgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 3644 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1858 times:
Quoting SuperDash (Reply 17): It's what we always joked as the "Area 51" routing. The routing goes LAX-RNO-SUN which adds a lot of miles (and time) if the military airspace is active on the direct routing.
That funny.
Btw, I have been checking UAX's ORD-ELP route -- which I have to use next week -- on Flightaware because the flights seems to arrive late every day of the week -- regardless of weather. I have noticed that a *good deal* of real estate around El Paso is pixelated on different days so flight paths can't be traced.
No doubt that -- plus copious military aircraft movements -- explains most of the late arrivals and departures in the El Paso region.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14315 posts, RR: 26 Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1840 times:
Quoting SuperDash (Reply 17): First Class (RJ style) is pretty much a waste.
Being 6'5" I would tend to disagree.
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SuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 563 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1525 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 19): Being 6'5" I would tend to disagree.
Just a question BMI727, do you pay for first class on short flights? I agree, that the seats are nice, but the airline at the end of the day has to make money. Personally, I will not pay for first or E+ on domestic flights. But I happily will take an upgrade.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14315 posts, RR: 26 Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1378 times:
Quoting SuperDash (Reply 20): Just a question BMI727, do you pay for first class on short flights?
No, I was connecting from an international flight. Honestly, had I not gotten F in the CRJ, I would probably have made another (or different) connection in order to avoid it on a two hour flight.
Quoting SuperDash (Reply 20): Personally, I will not pay for first or E+ on domestic flights.
I would be willing to pay for E+ in some cases, or an exit row.
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If anything it would just be drink service, no meals would be served on such short routings. So I guess my question is, would there really be a need for a premium cabin?
Heck, I've been on DL mainline flights (long ones, like ATL-YUL) that cruised at 27000-29000 feet.
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