Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26687 posts, RR: 83 Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14767 times:
Seems very unlikely to me, since they have or are very close to reaching firm configuration and the CHS FAL should be ready in addition to the "surge FAL" at PAE.
Alenia is planning to start construction of 787-9 fuselage barrels in 2012 and AA filed their latest 10-Q on Wednesday in which they reported coming to an agreement with Boeing to defer their first delivery of their 42 787-9s to 2014 (assuming they and the pilots ever come to an agreement) so that seems to imply a 2015 EIS is incorrect.
frigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1194 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14699 times:
From the thread Boeing Still inspecting 787 Dreamliners:
Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 33): My Italian is a little rusty, but from what I understand Alenia has been asked to increase production of 787 shipsets beyond the previous plan, from 25 to 30 in 2010 and from 45 to 52 in 2011. They are going to augment their workforce by 35 'specialists' from Romania.
"L’azienda per fronteggiare l’aumento di produzione (da 25 a 30 fusoliere per il 2010 e da 45 a 52 per il 2011, mentre nel 2012 è prevista l'avvio della linea di produzione del modello 787 allungato, con la produzione di 3 esemplari) - si legge nel
comunicato Fiom - ha comunicato la necessità di aumentare per tutto il 2010 di 60 unità la forza dello stabilimento di 904 lavoratori, attraverso l’utilizzo nel montaggio di 35 lavoratori specializzati dalla Romania»."
The other interesting bit is that 2012 is to see the production of the first 3 fuselage shipsets for the 787-9.
Thanks, Rheinbote. That should put an end to this rumor
kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8435 posts, RR: 15 Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12780 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 10): I imagine they are either quoting Mr. Sinnet out of context (he may be referring to the EIS for the 787-9 with a customer) or they just got it wrong and he was speaking about something else.
My guess is that he was talking about EIS for a specific customer rather than for the type . Since it is a German magazine I wondered if they might be talking about EIS for Air Berlins 787s , which I believe is 2015 , OTOH I think that AB has -8s on order rather than -9s ?
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flybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1791 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12631 times:
There are no grounds to this EIS date. It's only 2010 now so I doubt any of the top brass will report a 2 year slide in the program when firm config. was reported a couple months ago. I think a reporter with EADS biases may have written this misinformation to get the rumor mill grinding. The 787 program may have issues, but the reason why Boeing took on more -9 design work from its suppliers and partners was to accelerate entry into service, NOT put the program at risk to repeat -8 schedule slides.
I fully anticipate EIS for the -9 by 2013 as reported by Boeing. Boeing seems to be throwing everything they have to ensure that the -9 delivers on time and is a superior product compared to the -8.
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hawkercamm From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 401 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12285 times:
Give or take(?) a few months maybe. But AFAIK there are no major delays?
B787-8 EIS* 2010 well that is a difference question. Q1/Q2 2011 would be more realistic.
*=first flight with passengers on a revenue flight!
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14315 posts, RR: 26 Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11311 times:
Quoting MD-90 (Reply 17): Surely it can't take 5 years for a lengthened derivative design of a type already flying to be built, certified, and delivered?
Well, it could theoretically, and the 787-9 is more than just a stretched 787-8. There have been a lot of other improvements incorporated in the newer design, especially when you consider how much development time there was between the -8 design freeze and the -9 design freeze relatively recently.
That said, the 787-9 design is now frozen, so I don't think that it could possibly take until 2015 without some serious production issues.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 81 Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10072 times:
Quoting 328JET (Reply 9): "Die EIS of the B787-9 is planned for 2015 according Mike Sinnet."
(Mike Sinnet is director of 787 systems)
He used to be 787 systems director...now he's 787 chief engineer. He ought to know when the -9 is supposed to EIS, and I have a tough time believing he'd spill 2015 to the German press before telling the rest of Boeing, the customers, the shareholders, and the suppliers.
EPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 3591 posts, RR: 36 Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9062 times:
Quoting BoeEngr (Reply 7): I work on the -9 program and this would be news to me. Absolutely not true...
I will take your word upon this issue. I can not believe 2015 to be the accurate date. It must be a misprint in the magazine (which is by itself a good and usually very reliable magazine afaik) or a misinterpretation or something. I will stick with an EIS in 2013, which is late enough as it is compared to the earliest delivery schedules for the B787-9 we have seen many years ago.