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User currently offlineflybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9647 times:

NW and DL and CO and UA.
I know that Alaska is making money, but can it substain this on an ongoing bases?
The fleet is relatively young (even if I'd love to see some bigger planes and better services on their long flights), but the choices are limited when flying outside of the West Coast.
Maybe AA could merge with AS.

Thoughts?


Heia Norge!
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User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9630 times:
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Quoting flybynight (Thread starter):
Maybe AA could merge with AS.

Thoughts?

Thoughts ?

1/ What's in it for AS , at the moment they make lots of money by sleeping with everyone , why tie themselves to one major partner ? They get a lot of business from DL as well as from AA , why kiss goodbye to that revenue stream ?

2/ AA has destroyed their previous West Coast purchases Reno Air and Air Cal without really getting any benefit from them .

3/ AS does well because they have an efficient cost structure , merge them with AA and they will be stuck with AAs high costs , game over ! .

and lastly ...

4/ Has this topic replaced "when will NW/DL get retire their DC-9s?" and "When will AF wash their aircraft?" as Most Frequently Recurring Thread  



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User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9632 times:

AS has been getting cozy with DL lately, and AA has been doing the same with B6. I dont know if this means merger for the respective airlines, but who knows. AS has more to gain by merging with DL, since DL/NWA has the SEA presence and can funnel more significant traffic to/from their routes.


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User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9613 times:
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Quoting flyby519 (Reply 2):
AS has more to gain by merging with DL

AS has more to gain by maintaining their polygamous relationships with both AA and DL than by trying to settle down and live happily ever after with just one of them .



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User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9561 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 1):
4/ Has this topic replaced "when will NW/DL get retire their DC-9s?" and "When will AF wash their aircraft?" as Most Frequently Recurring Thread

I believe it is now the third most frequently asked question on a.net after those two  
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 3):
AS has more to gain by maintaining their polygamous relationships with both AA and DL than by trying to settle down and live happily ever after with just one of them .

exactly. Conventional Wisdom on a.net seems to be that as soon as X has a codeshare with Y it means they are either joining a specific alliance or a merger. AS has built a great business, they cater to a specific region with extensions to selected destinations that generally cater to cross connecting with their various partners. AS had a very in depth relationship with NW prior to DL buying NW so this DL relationship isn't anything really new, just expanded in scope due to the size of the new DL. I can't see what a merger with DL or any other major (or lets be honest acquisition) would give AS? DL etc. would just dissolve the brand and within 2 years everything that was AS would just be like the rest of the DL network. I can't see what it would be bring DL either, why go to the trouble of acquiring a relatively small carrier when you can have all the benefits through codeshares, FF programs etc. with non of the operational or business headaches.


User currently offlineUTAH744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9324 times:

Quoting "kiwiandrew"
AS has more to gain by maintaining their polygamous relationships with both AA and DL than by trying to settle down and live happily ever after with just one of them .


Living in Utah I can assert that your analogy of Alaska's multi-partners is CORRECT.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13602 posts, RR: 61
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9108 times:
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Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 1):
Has this topic replaced "when will NW/DL get retire their DC-9s?"

Sure seems that way! But these rumors have been circulating at AS for decades; every six months or so while at work I'd hear from someone that supposedly "heard from someone" that we were going to be bought out/merging with (insert airline here) next week.

So far, I've heard NW, AA, DL and even CO. Over the years AA and NW were always the most popular of the rumor mill.

Of course, the fact is that....

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 3):
AS has more to gain by maintaining their polygamous relationships with both AA and DL than by trying to settle down and live happily ever after with just one of them .

  

AS simply doesn't want to merge with anyone. And they're simply too expensive to buy when both logical suitors (AA and DL) already have extensive codesharing in place, providing essentially the same feed traffic they'd get from a merger without the cost and headache.

Move along folks, nothing to see here. As usual.  



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8827 times:
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AS has everything to lose if they were to merge with any legacy carrier, as well as the Pacific Northwest and the State of Alaska.

DL has managed to keep a lot of the old WA routes through SLC. But the majority to WA's north-south flying have been long gone.

So, DL would gain a little...maybe. But the people at AS, as well as the PNW and Alaska would lose a lot!


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25380 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8809 times:

Extensive thread recently on this topic with just about all the conjecture you can imagine.
Who Is Going To Buy Alaska? (by bahadir May 3 2010 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineGSPflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8691 times:

AS does just fine having codeshares with AA and DL.

DL would make the most sense because DL could use the domestic feed for PDX-AMS/NRT, SEA-AMS/NRT/PEK/KIX, LAX-SYD/NRT/HND....actually, they probably are providing a feed through the AS/DL codeshare.

In the event of a merger, I think DL would keep most, if not all, of the AS routes. There isn't very much overlap other than LAX-Hawaii. AA, on the other hand, would probably close the hubs of PDX, SEA, and ANC, grow their operation at LAX just a little bit, and use the current AS 737's to expand in DFW, MIA, maybe ORD.

So a merger with AS really (in my mind) makes sense for DL. For AS, it makes more sense to merge with DL than AA, but it makes more sense to continue with codeshares like they have now.


User currently offlinecoopdogyo From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8517 times:

If AS gets bought what will I do with my Alaska Airlines sweatshirt. But seriously it would have to be a pretty lucrative offer. I know AS management doesn't want to be bought out and with AS stock preforming as well as it has it would be pretty expensive to buy it out. Plus all the major players get all they want by having code shares.

User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8006 times:

AS is going to merge with WN....how will that hurt fleet commonality????     

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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7822 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 3):
AS has more to gain by maintaining their polygamous relationships with both AA and DL than by trying to settle down and live happily ever after with just one of them

Yeah, like staying out of bankruptcy court. I've always wondered how long AS would survive if it didnt sleep with everyone.



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User currently offlinegoDIA From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7311 times:

Given that this topic has been hammered to death before (AND most everyone is saying the same thing on THIS thread, too), why can't people just leave it alone? AS is happy alone and both AA and DL codeshare with them. So let's DROP this silly little topic and move on.


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User currently onlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7292 times:

Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 9):
DL would make the most sense because DL could use the domestic feed for PDX-AMS/NRT, SEA-AMS/NRT/PEK/KIX, LAX-SYD/NRT/HND....actually, they probably are providing a feed through the AS/DL codeshare.

Exactly. They get the feed already, so for a LOT of money/stock, what would they gain?

Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 9):
AA, on the other hand, would probably close the hubs of PDX, SEA, and ANC, grow their operation at LAX just a little bit, and use the current AS 737's to expand in DFW, MIA, maybe ORD.

That would be the definition of insanity.

-Dave



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7255 times:

US would make a very interesting merger partner (assuming AS is interested in merging). This merger would increase US presence along the west coast in in the Pacific Northwest. Both airlines have less expensive cost structures the DL and AA, so they would be better able to compete against the LCCs in the west.

In addition, SEA would give US a good trans pacific gateway to start flights to Asia.


User currently offlinegoDIA From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7256 times:

Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 9):
So a merger with AS really (in my mind) makes sense for DL. For AS, it makes more sense to merge with DL than AA, but it makes more sense to continue with codeshares like they have now.

Ahhh...yet ANOTHER 16-20 year old "airline expert." Dave said it best in reply 14--"The definition of insanity." The last few years, A-net has become a haven for folks who have no idea what they're talking about!



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7154 times:

Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 9):
.actually, they probably are providing a feed through the AS/DL codeshare.

And if you're already getting the milk...



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 31
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6078 times:

Just a rough impression.

Why should AS merge with anyone? No matter who, the top AS management will end up out of work eventually as the bigger company takes over. There is no incentive for the AS management to pursue a merger with a larger airline.

Why on earth would AA or DL or anyone else want to get involved with the State of Alaska internal flying network? There is an expertise and experience in those operations the larger airlines do not have. It is a very unique place to fly with unique requirements and challenges.

Right now everyone gets the best of both worlds, and they can make money on the current arrangements.

Why kill the goose which laid the golden egg?


User currently offlineJayinKitsap From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5748 times:

I don't really know how codeshares work profitability wise, but AS has the best mileage plan of any airline. I earn full miles on AS, Delta and AA so from SEA I really can fly anywhere and earn on that plan. As a Seattle hub, AS has direct flights to many cities that all of the competition has 1 stop (BOS, DC, Orlando, and SAN come to mind). I think they get 10% or more fares on those due to its being nonstop. Both Delta and AA can effectively offer their customers the full AS routemap without the hassle.

I think by giving both DL and AA the really good Girlfriend Experience why would either want to commit to Marriage, and why would AS want to get hitched with anyone else when date night is already fun.


User currently offlineflybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5667 times:

Please note, mergers are sometimes forced on companies. WIth DL/NW and UA/CO together, AS looks a little vunerable. Sure they are making a profit at the moment, but this could change. If the refreshed UA starts expanding again at SEA who knows what can happen.


Heia Norge!
User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5672 times:

Why do you guys keep rehashing this every gosh darn month?!    This is getting real, real old!!!!

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):
Move along folks, nothing to see here. As usual.  

  

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 7):
AS has everything to lose if they were to merge with any legacy carrier, as well as the Pacific Northwest and the State of Alaska.

Exactly, there is nothing in it for AS at all if they were to merge with anyone. Their Codesharing Whore practices works out very well for them and it makes them too expensive to acquire.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):
So far, I've heard NW, AA, DL and even CO. Over the years AA and NW were always the most popular of the rumor mill.

   The most popular rumor I hear is mostly AA.

Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 9):

You need to learn how to Armchair CEO correctly because that was a painfully bad summary.    FAIL.

Quoting goDIA (Reply 13):
Given that this topic has been hammered to death before (AND most everyone is saying the same thing on THIS thread, too), why can't people just leave it alone?

One word: Jealousy. A lot of people are jealous because it seems like AS is doing everything right, so far. There are some folks here on A.net that have a death wish of wanting to see AS fail.

Quoting EricR (Reply 15):
In addition, SEA would give US a good trans pacific gateway to start flights to Asia.

They (US) can already do that on their own without AS. The question is: Why haven't they?? They had so many opportunities to establish a route from SEA and they fail over and over at that. They don't need an A340!

Quoting JayinKitsap (Reply 19):

   Well said, Jay!



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User currently offlineflybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5630 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 21):
Why do you guys keep rehashing this every gosh darn month?! This is getting real, real old!!!!

Why do you use time and energy to even look at the thread? It's a free country. You don't want to read it, then don't. Seems simple to me.



Heia Norge!
User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2116 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5197 times:

God help us (fairly) loyal Alaska customers if AA buys them. Even worse is US. They still haven't merged the HP/US pilot groups, and judging by the ex HP pilot I heard on the airport bus in PHX a few months ago, saying how he "would never stop to help a US pilot on the side of the road," and "wouldn't hesitate to punch one in the face at a bar," I don't think that combination will be an amicable one.

Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 9):
So a merger with AS really (in my mind) makes sense for DL. For AS, it makes more sense to merge with DL than AA, but it makes more sense to continue with codeshares like they have now.

Have you ever flown AS? Perhaps even been to their namesake state?

Quoting goDIA (Reply 16):
The last few years, A-net has become a haven for folks who have no idea what they're talking about!

+1.


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5176 times:

I suppose there's nothing wrong with speculation, but we just had not one but two threads on this within the last 4-5 months, IIRC. So this is getting a little redundant.

Those airlines a.netters think AS will merge with already get enough revenue and feed from AS that the costs of a merger aren't worth the benefits. It's really as simple as that.

Quoting flybynight (Reply 22):
It's a free country. You don't want to read it, then don't. Seems simple to me.

Well, technically a.net isn't a country, so the "free country" argument doesn't apply.     

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport


25 Post contains images Airport : Did you just read the first line? He said it doesn't make sense for AS to merge with anyone. If AS were to merge, DL would probably make more sense t
26 mariner : Alaska - ALK - has the highest priced airline shares on the US stock market and the airline has about a billion bucks in cold hard cash sitting in th
27 wedgetail737 : AA is more vulnerable financially than AS.
28 LipeGIG : We know that some users are suggesting to close this thread as it was recently discussed. But be in mind that less and less users will add their opini
29 GSPflyer : Ok, I have the same opinion as most of you that it is in the best interest of AS (or at least I think so) to not merge with any other carrier. The onl
30 Post contains images AirframeAS : The BEST post on this thread!!! They keep on coming, don't they? But I don't understand why certain A.netters have a death wish against AS. Question:
31 BMI727 : It isn't like AS doesn't have any death wishes themselves. There are enough threads in there that don't belong in there.
32 AirframeAS : True, but this thread is asking for opinions and is an opinionated thread at the same time it is not a "NEWSFLASH" thread.
33 Post contains images caliatenza : i had a great expierence on AS this week...up and down on LAX-SEA-LAX. Keep on doing what you guys are doing! Although, IFE would be nice, especially
34 wedgetail737 : I second that. I flew SEA-BUR-SEA last week and had an excellent experience, with flights being on-time or early. Flights were packed, which is a goo
35 point2point : Could it be that maybe it needs to be AS looking to take over AA.....
36 dc10widebody : As a Seattle resident and very loyal AS customer I can say that I hope The Eskimo stays a permanent bachelor. I have an Alaska debit and credit card,
37 AirframeAS : I would have to agree 100%!!! Every time I use AS as a revenue pax, I purchase the $30 (now $40) day pass. The last time I went in there last year, I
38 Post contains images caliatenza : lol, i just joined Alaska's FFP. Lets see where i can go with the instant 25k miles .
39 EA CO AS : The plans are - at last check - to construct a new one on the N satellite when AS takes it over.
40 Post contains images deltal1011man : Um...... the money from the feed? Market share one less airline the ability to to run the AS hubs with there own aircraft. (ie 757s/CRJs) Oh and AS w
41 Post contains images AirframeAS : That's all you have to say is a sarcastic A.net emoticon?? It has nothing to do with "Fans", as you call it (I am not a fan by the way...), are afrai
42 mtnwest1979 : I have a better idea. Or as good as any above..... Have AS and HA get become one and really dominate the 50th state. Since AS already takes care of th
43 Post contains images deltal1011man : yes because if i said that was the biggest load of horse shit i have ever seen they will pull the post. Then don't read the threads......Its just tha
44 Post contains images AirframeAS : Then why the repeated threads every darn month??? Can you answer that honestly? No. It goes beyond that. LIke I said before: Jealousy. And you can't
45 JayinKitsap : I have been very happy with the AS FFP, you can actually book flights. I just got a SEA-BOS flight for Christmas Week, yes it was 40K round trip but
46 Post contains images deltal1011man : because people like talking about it? once again.....who is making you read them? LOL like i said before....horse poo.
47 AirframeAS : Talking about it every darn month when we have so many of these threads still unlocked over the course of time?? People like talking about it only be
48 EricR : Your comments make no sense. What opportunities are you referring to? US has never tried to turn SEA into anything other than a spoke. Also, I am not
49 AirframeAS : A few years back, the DOT gave US a slot right to fly to China. US wanted to fly the A340 to China from an East Coast city, ( to PEK, I believe) and
50 LAXtoATL : Is AS looking to merge with anyone? Not likely. They are very content with their current position and their current relationships. However, if larger
51 LAXtoATL : The fact is in an industry that is experiencing consolidation, AS is the most attractive company out there. Take it as a compliment. The fact is unti
52 EricR : I was not talking about US previous attempts to fly to Asia. I don't know why you constantly bring in other issues that were never discussed. I was t
53 wedgetail737 : Did you apply on board the aircraft? That would mean 26K miles instead of 25K miles. It paves the way for some April Fools jokes. Maybe we can start
54 Airport : *sigh* No matter what business sense is provided, some will just never be convinced. I respect that tenacity, but I sharply disagree with the point be
55 Post contains images AirframeAS : Oh, yes you did... see reply 15 in which you state: That is why I responded the way I did. What part of that do you not understand? I did. Obviously
56 LAXtoATL : You can never satisfy all customers, but DL would easily retain the majority of AS frequent flyers. If no other reason than there just aren't enough
57 AirframeAS : Woah, woah, woah... I would be very, very careful with this one, I would highly recommend omitting the US/HP merger. That merger is not even complete
58 LAXtoATL : That is my point! The merger was friendly. Both companies agreed to the merger (it was not a hostile takeover) and yet they still had to deal with di
59 Post contains images nutsaboutplanes : On a strict valuation of assets that is true.....but, we all know that the purchase cost of AS would be significantly higher. AA wouldn't be quiet in
60 AirframeAS : No, it wasn't. It was a cluster*bleep* from the gitgo. I said it was NOT a friendly merger at all. That is not always true.
61 LAXtoATL : The valuation of AS at $1.86 billion includes all assets (including cash) and liabilities! It is what the company is worth including its cash, not ex
62 deltal1011man : but because we have these threads doesn't mean AS is going to go. how is that a fact? why would they merge if it was worth it? AS can't stay its own
63 AirframeAS : Look at all the AS merger threads in the last year or five and it'll tell you.
64 cws818 : Well, DL operated SEA-JNU after the Western merger. It's possible that some of the pilots who operated that route are still active within the DL syst
65 LAXtoATL : You are missing the point. It is not whether you consider the transaction to be friendly or not. If the boards of the two companies agree to the tran
66 Post contains images AirframeAS : I don't think I am. It doesn't matter if the merger was mutually agreed to by both parties or if it was a hostile take-over. Even Dougie admitted him
67 Post contains links and images nutsaboutplanes : I think we all know that the majority of the 6 billion is "raised" and is not the result of windfall profits from the last 5-10 years . While it is t
68 beryllium : Well, for AS it is both responsibility and business. It might sound surprising, but the routes that AS operates within the state of Alaska are among
69 nutsaboutplanes : Just a couple more stats since were talking acquisitions....Enterprise Value is the metric that Wall Street uses to place a valuation on the entire bu
70 beryllium : What is your definition of a "friendly" merger then? The merger that makes everyone (every employee, every customer, etc.) happy? There are no such m
71 commavia : As others have said, it makes little sense for Alaska to sell out to another airline, or for another airline to buy Alaska, because it would basically
72 LAXtoATL : AMR does not have more than enough cash. The problem is debt. Just as you a said lot of that cash is a result of recent financing initiatives. They w
73 beryllium : Lots of people were saying pretty much the same thing about UA/CO - "If CO (incredibly good thing) agrees to a merger with UA (incredibly bad thing)
74 commavia : Yes they do. $5.5 billion in cash and equivalents is more than enough. Incorrect. AMR's operations are generating hundreds of millions of cash flow e
75 AirframeAS : That didn't stop them from acquiring QQ or TW...... They were in debt during those times as well. And please don't pitch me the "But those times were
76 LAXtoATL : In defining whether a merer is 'hostile' or 'friendly' the only criteria is whether or not it was mutually agreed to. Parker later admitting the merg
77 commavia : One big difference. People were comparing UA and CO in such stark terms - which I agree was largely ridiculous - based on service items like inflight
78 LAXtoATL : I have heard this repeated before. Cash flow independent of financing activities is meaningless! The biggest financing activity any airline engages i
79 Post contains images AirframeAS : Whatever, I stand by what I said. I am not gonna argue with you.
80 Post contains images beryllium : Well... the acquiring airline (be at DL or AA or anybody else) might simply pursue the objective of getting competitor out of the way, without bother
81 commavia : Huh? Operating cashflow is the cashflow generated from the day-in-day-out operating of an airline. Independent of any financing or equity - which wou
82 EricR : Do you read what you are saying before you post it? I said I never said anything about PREVIOUS flights to Asia and you respond with the fact that I
83 deltal1011man : 1)I don't think DL/AA will make a play for B6/AS till UA/CO get SOC. (plan for 2012) 2) even if they did try, AA wont get anything Delta doesn't. If
84 EricR : I think the question here is would it be smart for AA to use their cash to purchase AS and the answer is no. Although AA has been operating cash flow
85 commavia : The answer, to me, is definitely not. Buying Alaska would not be - at this point - a prudent use of AMR's massive cash reserve. Which is, once again,
86 AirframeAS : Again, you can fight about this until you are blue in the face..... I repeat and you wrote... You brought it up, you said it so deal with it. I ain't
87 flybynight : They might, but that could be burned through in a real hurry if things go bad. I would prefer to see Alaska independent, but with mega companies like
88 AirframeAS : You know, AS has some real good folks running the show in SEA. They got some geniuses that cannot be found anywhere in this industry. AS is very, ver
89 wedgetail737 : Adding to that...if anything, UA has been on a decline in the Pacific Northwest. UA is nothing what it used to be in SEA. I think the OO's days are n
90 ckfred : I don't know everyone says that AA destroyed Reno Air and Air Cal. The Air Cal merger didn't work, because Southwest decided to enter the West Coast
91 AirframeAS : They also destroyed TWA as well.
92 wedgetail737 : AirCal's merger with AA is occurred well before WN had any major west coast presence. The dismantling of Air Cal and PSA, and the absorption of Morri
93 Squid : If AA wouldn't have come in to the picture, TWA would have been bankrupt AGAIN, and most likely would have liquidated rather than being reorganized.
94 Post contains images AirframeAS : There have been other airlines that have been bankrupt over and over again. What's your point?? I disagree.
95 chrisair : WN had no impact on the PSA or AirCal mergers. Take it from someone who lived there during that time. Before WN moved down to SJC and before Reno Air
96 EA CO AS : Given that we were barrelling headlong into a a recession, AND that TW was literally a week or two away from a Chapter 7 filing at the time, NO ONE w
97 AirframeAS : It is all "he said, she said". A CEO saying one thing does not mean that it will happen. There were other ways to keep TW alive than to be sold off.
98 Post contains images EA CO AS : Even if he said it years after the prepackaged Chapter 11 filing and asset sale to AA? C'mon, man. Credit markets were already tightening up at that
99 Post contains images AirframeAS : There ya go... now we're talkin'....
100 Post contains images EA CO AS : In other words, you're just splitting hairs.
101 Pohakuloa : I agree with most everyone here saying that an AS merger would not now or for the foreseeable future be a good thing for AS. However, in the spirit of
102 hnl-jack : I couldn't agree with you more. Two airlines with very similar business models, strong hubs with solid local market loyal following and similar opera
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