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The New United -- Future Focus Cities. Where?  
User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 17738 times:

COMBINED HUBS: ORD, IAH, EWR, SFO, DEN, LAX, IAD, CLE, GUM

FOCUS CITIES: NRT, BOS, LAS, SEA, MCO

LARGE SPOKES: PDX, DFW, MSY, SAN (and probably a few more)

LAX and CLE could go the way of focus cities in the future, GUM is barely a hub as is but some say could expand. NRT might be a current hub for UA but I'm not sure. I say MCO and FLL as future focus cities because of the current CO connection feeder carrier presence. MCO also has quite a bit of UA presence currently, Red Carpet Club, as well as the CO MX base so my money is on MCO becoming a rather pivotal focus city for UA.

What do you think?


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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5674 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 17727 times:

I doubt you will see LAX be relegated to focus city status, same with GUM, as GUM is a vital part of the network. I know its a pipe dream, but I'd love to see SLC become a more focused city than it is now, lol.


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User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 573 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 17723 times:

I expect New UA to add to LAX, not take away from it.

User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 17660 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Thread starter):
FOCUS CITIES: BOS, LAS, SEA, MCO
Quoting TOMMY767 (Thread starter):
LARGE SPOKES: PDX, DFW, MSY, SAN

How do you come up with these?


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 17635 times:

Quoting goldenstate (Reply 2):
I expect New UA to add to LAX, not take away from it.

Agreed, I too expect LAX to grow.



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User currently offlineSeatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 17558 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Thread starter):
LARGE SPOKES: PDX, DFW, MSY, SAN (and probably a few more)


Yes, DFW will be a large spoke, but no more than any other city that has service to all hubs.

Look for CLE to go away and some readjustments of IAD to better compliment EWR. The real question is the NRT hub, although I expect GUM to stay.


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 17492 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Thread starter):
LARGE SPOKES: PDX, DFW, MSY, SAN (and probably a few more)

I dont get DFW, MSY or SAN they just have flights to all the hubs, wont exactly classify them as anything.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Thread starter):
FOCUS CITIES: NRT, BOS, LAS, SEA, MCO


I think NRT will stay how it is now, BOS is not a focus city now, and with B6 and WN winning there right now I dont see them expanding there any time soon. LAS will stay how it is now, barely a focus city and SEA might see some growth.



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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 17435 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Thread starter):
CLE

I expect CLE to be gutted eventually...



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 17443 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 3):
FOCUS CITIES: BOS, LAS, SEA, MCO

I should have said "bases" not focus cities: UA retains crew bases at BOS, LAS, and SEA. MCO isn't but CO has a feeder network there so when you add UA's presence it will be something like 40-50 flights a day.

MSY, SAN, DFW, and PDX will all have between 40-50 flights a day as well which is rather significant.



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 17342 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 8):
I should have said "bases" not focus cities: UA retains crew bases at BOS, LAS, and SEA. MCO isn't but CO has a feeder network there so when you add UA's presence it will be something like 40-50 flights a day.

MSY, SAN, DFW, and PDX will all have between 40-50 flights a day as well which is rather significant.

Thank you, much better.

And yes, now 'assuming' that there are going to be 8 domestic hubs, any airport with more than about three/four flights to each of them will begin having a large number of ops each day by the new UA/CO


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 17300 times:

MSY and AUS should be equal sized cities for the new UA, assuming all current flights are kept. By tally, both will have

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 8):
MSY, SAN, DFW, and PDX will all have between 40-50 flights a day as well which is rather significant.

MSY will have 27 flights daily...same total as AUS, actually.


User currently offlinefun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1045 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 17122 times:

Look for big turf fights in LAX w/DL & AA and with DL in SEA & PDX. Is SEA the largest non-hub? Maybe LGA?

I'm not sure if NRT will stay a hub for a long time, especially with the TPAC anti-trust. Interesting topic.

Wonder what the plans for DEN are? They have already let in two big LCC's - that's got to hurt.


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 17030 times:

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 11):
Wonder what the plans for DEN are? They have already let in two big LCC's - that's got to hurt.

Yes, having three major airlines at one airport competing does hurt yields, however, DEN is not the lowest yielding major airport in the U.S. There are a fair number with lower or nearly identical yields.

The thing is, that by a fair estimate, DEN handles about 20% of the traffic for the current UA. Can this be moved to ORD, IAH, and maybe even SFO without significantly disrupting operations?

Also, DEN serves a big region, and geographically, is nearly in the center of the U.S. It is the nearest large point for many places in Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, the Dakotas, Nebraska, Kansas, New Mexico. The airport is massive, and is designed for an in and out flow of traffic. And as time progresses, expansion costs at many other airports will add significantly to passenger enplanement costs, whereas expansion to DEN will be cheap by comparison.

Will the new UA double up in DEN? It's anyone's guess, but my feeling is that I doubt it. Maybe cut some here, add some there. The biggest thing lacking at DEN is international flights, but if they get a few of those, especially to NRT and then maybe another couple of flights to Europe or Asia, and another couple south into Central or South America, they will start looking to really compete with the biggest for the convenience of connections. And I think that this is where the new UA and *A will be making their focus to be competitive at DEN.

All of the above are just my 2 cents  

[Edited 2010-08-14 17:31:25]

User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 16250 times:
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Quoting TOMMY767 (Thread starter):
I say MCO and FLL as future focus cities because of the current CO connection feeder carrier presence.

If it does become a focus city, it wouldn't be because of Continental Connection. The only two destinations served from MCO are MIA and PNS.

Continental Connection serves *more* destinations from MIA.


User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8525 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 16109 times:

I would suspect thet cities that are loosing population or have chrinically high unemployment may be the cities that might get gutted as examples like Pittsburg and St. Louis have shown with American Airlines and US Airways but other examples like Delta Airlines at Detroit does not gerentee that are shrinking will get service gutted.


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2628 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 15971 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Thread starter):
I say MCO and FLL as future focus cities because of the current CO connection feeder carrier presence.

The new UA/CO lacks own routes between South Florida and Latinamerica/Caribbean. One could dream - if the market conditons are favourable - that eventually UA/CO itself could operate a couple of high-yield Latinamerican, Caribbean destiantions from FLL, with flights timmed to match some of UA/CO FLL arrival/departures.



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User currently offlineRIDGID727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 15482 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 1):
but I'd love to see SLC become a more focused city than it is now, lol.

Have to agree with your doubts on that. B6 tried to focus on SLC, and failed miserably. With DL's hub, and the large presence of WN there, I doubt anyone else will try it. Although I have heard AirTran may be adding SLC-MKE and ATL


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4524 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 15269 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 15):
The new UA/CO lacks own routes between South Florida and Latinamerica/Caribbean. One could dream - if the market conditons are favourable - that eventually UA/CO itself could operate a couple of high-yield Latinamerican, Caribbean destiantions from FLL, with flights timmed to match some of UA/CO FLL arrival/departures.

Perhaps this is the only area where the new UA is lacking.





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User currently offlinejetblueaus From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 14908 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Thread starter):
COMBINED HUBS: ORD, IAH, EWR, SFO, DEN, LAX, IAD, CLE, GUM

I'm sure that CLE is going to be integrated into ORD. CLE is mainly a COEX hub and has pretty limited mainline service compared to IAH and EWR.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2628 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 14886 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 17):
But, you need to leave something for AA

As it has been said many times in this forum, FLL can't be compared to MIA. So if UA/CO ever decide to do some very specific international flights to key markets out of FLL, their product will be a bit harder to sell than AA MIA flights.



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User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 619 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 14682 times:

I'd like to see the new UA focus a little on SJU and some of the smaller Caribbean destinations, giving people an alternative to AA.

More JFK flights would be nice--CO once served it from CLE and IAH--don't know if they retain slots, though.

Restore mainline service to the hubs from STL!

More service to Mexico from LAX could be indicated as well, given the vacuum left by Mexicana.

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User currently offlineGSPflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 14599 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 19):

As it has been said many times in this forum, FLL can't be compared to MIA. So if UA/CO ever decide to do some very specific international flights to key markets out of FLL, their product will be a bit harder to sell than AA MIA flights.

Didnt US try a Caribbean/Latin American gateway at FLL back around 04??? The large presence of LCC's at FLL or MCO make it unlikely that the new UA would try a hub at either of them. From what I have seen, DL has a decent sized operation at both, but it seems to be mostly O&D.

Plus, "The New" UA pax from the northeast can connect to the Caribbean via. EWR or IAD, Midwest-Caribbean through ORD or possibly IAH, west-Caribbean (is the market even that big?) via. IAH. And CO has a large IAH-Latin America market. Yes, with a hub at MCO/FLL, UA would gain pax from the Southeast to Caribbean/Latin America, plus some O&D, but I dont think its worth the trouble because they would have to compete head-to-head with B6 and WN at both FLL and MCO, not to mention AA right down the road from FLL at MIA.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2628 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 14532 times:

Given the fact that UA/CO will have a huge following in the NYC, Washington, Chicago, Houston, San Francisco and Los Angeles areas, it may be worth studying if there are key international markets from those metropolitan areas that could also support flights from nearby non-hub airports, seasonally or year-around.
Flights like IAD alternate BWI - London, ORD alternate MKE - London, LAX alternate ONT - SAL and/or Mexico City (MEX or TLC), heck even a EWR alternate JFK-London   



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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 14428 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 15):
The new UA/CO lacks own routes between South Florida and Latinamerica/Caribbean. One could dream - if the market conditons are favourable - that eventually UA/CO itself could operate a couple of high-yield Latinamerican, Caribbean destiantions from FLL, with flights timmed to match some of UA/CO FLL arrival/departures.

I don't think timing would be important; I doubt such flights would see any connecting traffic since I don't imagine UA serving any destinations from FLL in such a scenario that would not also be served from IAH.

Of course, MIA was once a hub for UA. I'm not sure I see it potentially being more successful in FLL than it could be if it just started its own flights from MIA again. If AV, TA and LA were all to join Star, MIA would be a pretty big Star "focus city." In that case I could perhaps envision a beefed-up presence at MIA for UA. Still, nobody seems eager to challenge AA in this market.

[Edited 2010-08-14 22:40:07]


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User currently offlineBraniff727Ultra From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 14227 times:

I see the new UA making a big push to grow LAX to counter the Delta growth to Central & South American markets as well as growing the already significant Trans Pac market share they enjoy. Plus lets not forget that CO had a huge maintenance facility at LAX until the mid '90's when economic factors forced them to close it dropping over 1000 positions.

I agree that CLE & IAD along with DEN (possibly) seeing their "hub" status dropped in favor of Focus City status. 8 hubs is too many!!!! I also have to question BOS being a focus city in the final mix as AA & DL already have a large presence and with WN moving in it wouldn't make any sense for UA to burn cash where the return on investment most likely will be minimal. AA has stated they will defend the BOS market and DL has picked up several slots there in the swap with US Air.

I see UA growing SFO & LAX as the TransPac market will see solid growth as the world economies continue to right themselves, what with California being a HUGE exporter in the Agribusiness arena to the Far East.


25 ukoverlander : I am curious to see people questioning Narita here (and I ask this question admittedly from my own ignorance - clearly I'm missing something). Why wou
26 BOACCunard : No way will IAD lose hub status any time soon. EWR and IAD may not be that far from each other geographically but they're both massive, high-yield O&
27 Bartond : DEN should stay as a very important hub for UA, no doubt. Yes, DEN lacks international flights but there is a reason or two for that - first, any con
28 EricR : 8 hubs are a lot. CLE will definately go. Maybe some flights from DEN are eventually shifted south via IAH. However, I think IAD stays around. The re
29 point2point : And some folks from Idaho Falls, or Austin, or the bunch of rapidly-growing mid-sized cities in the plains and Rocky Mountains that are connected to
30 Post contains images Schweigend : Agree with both of your whole posts. DEN has a lot going for it and CO only left it out of spite, back in the mid-nineties, for manifold reasons....
31 seapek888 : Would enjoy seeing some new international destinations out of SEA ultimately as a result of the merger...getting a *A CA PEK-SEA link (HU and DL alrea
32 Schweigend : Possible with the 787 when the new airline takes delivery of the 50+ on order!
33 SurfandSnow : That's quite a long list, and it's safe to say that at least one of those hubs won't still be around in 5 years. ORD and IAH will be the cornerstones
34 point2point : Exactly, like that the system-wide synergies that can be used for efficiencies. Some cuts/consolidations will happen, and there could be reductions h
35 Post contains images Schweigend : You're right, Cleveland's the one that won't survive -- mainline that is, except maybe, as many have said, as a reliever hub. And 762s to FRA I can p
36 Post contains images CLEpirate : CLE will become Mega hub...tired of all the CLE naysayers...
37 UAL777UK : Absolutely agree 100% People talk about hubs and focus cities but I see no mention of a certain airport that will see in the region of 15 plus flight
38 as739x : Agree with you on many points except UA/UAX growing at LAX. Since early '09, the operations have actually shrunk for SkyWest at LAX. Despite a few ne
39 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Why? DEN and especially IAD have their own O&D. And IAD operates totally independently of EWR. These two hubs have nothing to do with one another
40 jedward : Not sure about the megahub, but I too think CLE's not getting a fair evaluation from those here. At the end of the day why would CO, or any airline,
41 commavia : I agree with basically everything you said. ORD and IAH will form the central core of the entire network, and the exceptionally-well-positioned coast
42 2travel2know2 : Agree. Only flghts to selected destinations in México, Centralamerica and Caribbean may be seen from DEN. DEN-London or DEN-FRA, who knows, if there
43 commavia : It's pretty crazy. Good luck ever supporting a profitable flight from ANC, SEA or SFO to GUM on a regular basis. Not to mention, long before that wou
44 ANITIX87 : How would this benefit passengers, though? If IAD becomes a domestic hub, and EWR becomes an international gateway, then that means anyone flying fro
45 point2point : It doesn't have to be. But a handful of destinations, even flown by *A partners such as NH to NRT or LH to FRA (which they already do) and MUC, maybe
46 LAXintl : One little bit of info for those discussing LAX / SFO -- United actually generates more earnings and boards more locally in Los Angeles, then it does
47 2travel2know2 : A GUM - China Open Skies, mean that any UA/CO gets access to all Chinese airports they would want to fly from GUM, not only PVG, PEK and HKG. We are
48 commavia : But the problem is that GUM could never support regular nonstop flights to those markets - in China or the U.S. Much better to fly profitable planes
49 CODC10 : I'm fairly certain that CO is looking at Guam/China Open Skies as a potential growth area for China-originating tourism to the Pacific Islands. GUM i
50 bananaboy : I would also imagine that the LHR crew base will be retained. Mark
51 itsasmallworld : I believe everything is confirmed that AS will be completely taking over the N satellite although I'm not sure about the time frame. My guess is post
52 CALMSP : If I remember correctly, CO CMI President even stated that about a year ago. That, looking to tap into the smaller markets from GUM.
53 nyc2theworld : DL considers AMS a hub because of its purchase of NW who considered AMS a hub due to their relationship with KL (back when NW was still around, NW ha
54 TOMMY767 : I can't believe some of the posts I'm reading: UA give up DEN? It won't happen. Despite LCC competition, it's still an important and sustainable moun
55 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Actually, Q200s most of the time.
56 Braniff727Ultra : I agree with LAXint'l that UA has done a good job of maximizing the capabilites of both SFO & LAX; I also think that with the combination of CO/UA
57 drerx7 : TOMMY767, they have to go mainline on EWR-IAD, the scope dictates hub hub flying is done by mainline.
58 TOMMY767 : CO just hates IAD don't they? LOL That would be a UA scope clause or both UA and CO? I could see EWR-IAD-EWR being done with CO 757s post merger for
59 ChrisNH : It has been my view that ANA will be the first airline to offer nonstop 787 service between Asia and Boston. If CO/UA wants to consider Boston a 'focu
60 point2point : DEN is ready to put a second mortgage on the airport to get that ANA service. It'll be fun to watch.
61 Post contains images SurfandSnow : It seems you guys liked my earlier post - thank you for all of the compliments and responses. Let's see... Actually I think we will see very few route
62 drerx7 : It appears that its both, I don't know of any UA hub hub routes that have Express along with mainline - Continental definitely does not.
63 mogandoCI : throw CLE away keep IAD international flights only on O&D basis (the biggest focus city) maximize EWR position (complete domination of NYC market
64 drerx7 : They will be heavy loads, O&D, non-revs, cargo, and double connects - just like hub-hub rights on any airline.
65 kgaiflyer : Ryan, I like the way you think. Even with the world's largest airline, two airports 135 air-miles apart served with 757s seems wasteful. Say . . . ho
66 drerx7 : Well, pax loads will call for it. 735s fuel burn would not be the best, I could see all 319s with a widebody turn or 757 in there.
67 TOMMY767 : Who knows that role the 735s will have at the merged airline. Maybe pick up quite a few ORD routes like when UA used to have them based out of there
68 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Like LH did with their A300s? Yeah, maybe.
69 United1 : UA and COs pilots agreements both require that all hub-hub flights be flown by mainline aircraft....I don't see that changing at the merged UA so you
70 joeman : How do all the armchair airline CEO's keep coming up with these fresh ideas for this and about a couple dozen other threads?
71 bananaboy : Not strictly true as UA has the LHR-BRU service but your point remains. Mark
72 Post contains images point2point : Yes, CLE does seem to be a popular subject with the armchair CEO crowd....
73 PavlovsDog : If LAN-TAM goes for Star Alliance, I could see United slowly building up an operation in MIA. That market must be a cash cow for American and undoubte
74 Post contains images TOMMY767 : I'd hope so. Neither carrier has operated EWR-IAD on mainline since the early 1990s. CLE has some time. The new carrier will evaluate CLE as a hub. I
75 SurfandSnow : Highly unlikely. Oneworld is a perfect fit for both carriers, as they have rather limited long haul networks and must rely on partner carriers to get
76 PavlovsDog : I prefaced my sentance with, "aside from flights to hubs". You obviously didn't read that because we are not in disagreement on the issue. I guess we
77 jfklganyc : Funny title . . . focus cities. Both UA and CO are the least likely of the legacies to have focus cities now. I would suspect that will continue throu
78 kgaiflyer : For business synergy, I couldn't agree more -- but how? Been there lately? There are *no* gates available -- probably because there are dozens of air
79 STT757 : That said, EWR commands higher fares, greater percentage of Business travelers and travelers with higher incomes than JFK. Combine that with UA's luc
80 kgaiflyer : But textbook and reality don't match. Cosmopolitan Washington and IAD don't do FLL ( Don't you need to have a Queens accent to go there? Or maybe be
81 airzim : Hate to burst your bubble. As a current resident of the island paradise of Manhattan, I use EWR almost exclusively. Unless you live in the UES, EWR i
82 Post contains images kgaiflyer : What folks *totally* don't get is that New York -Washington passenger traffic is *split* among BWI, DCA, *and* IAD. -DCA [ DL, AA, CO, and US ] gets
83 CALMSP : mainline UA GRR service has almost been non-existent for the past few years.
84 EricR : Maybe I wasn't clear enough. EWR would be used as the international gateway. In other words, domestic flights would feed the international flights th
85 FlyPNS1 : Because UA is trying to only skim off the high-yield traffic. You put an A320 on the route and you have to start discounting and that's not a game UA
86 Post contains images SANFan : Since I am required by law to comment whenever "SAN" is mentioned, here is my input. In the past, we (SAN) have had some interesting experiments with
87 mogandoCI : people also forgot that a lot of businessmen, during business hours, much prefer AcelaExpress over flying (it's only 2:50 from PennStation to UnionSta
88 LAXintl : Well at SAN once combined with CO, United will certainly consolidate its #2 spot at the airport with about 20% of the traffic. (SWA #1 at about 38%, w
89 GlobalCabotage : IAH, ORD, EWR, SFO will be the top hubs followed by IAD and LAX. CLE and DEN are more than likely on their way out (CLE due to close proximity to ORD,
90 EricR : Weak versus strong is relative. I will leave the definition up to you. What I can tell you is that UA used to have 30+ flights and within the last 2
91 LAXintl : I was playing around with DOT numbers, and here were the top O&D city-pairs for each airline in 2009. Suppose we can call these each carriers "cor
92 jfklganyc : "Other than on this board, I have never interacted with anyone in New York that cared about going to Newark Airport. It really isn't that big a deal."
93 COflyerBOS : I lived on the UWS for 5 years. Everyone I knew loved CO and loved EWR post renovations to Terminal C. Funny that you only mention LIT. CO is the ONLY
94 Post contains images Antoniemey : Or someone going on a cruise who wants the lowest airfare to the region. As was said, aside from on this board... Some people care which airport they
95 point2point : As a w/s Manhattaner, when I need to fly somewhere, I usually look for 1) price and then 2) schedule. As for airports, I rank LGA as the easiest, and
96 nyc2theworld : Continental has already given that market to Amtrak. You do not need to be a member of amtrak's reward program in order to earn miles on for trips in
97 CALMSP : I still just kinda laugh that so many individuals here continually say that DEN will be out the door. I understand that CLE will be, I have no doubt o
98 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : I really do think that LAX will be larger and a more powerful hub for the new UA. Look for LAX expansion not reductions from the new UA IMHO. DL wont
99 point2point : DEN has about 400 UA flights and about CO 12 flights per day. If the new UA/CO reduces 10% for streamlining efforts there, it'll still have about 370
100 TOMMY767 : Wonder if they would ever upgrade LAX-OKC/SAT/SEA to 319 or CO 73G? CR7 seems to little for these routes even with the F cabin.
101 kgaiflyer : I guess the answer would be 'yes' since WN is already doing it. AUS, ELP, and SAT have multiple WN nonstops to LAX. LBB and TUL have no-change-of-pla
102 United1 : That's why UA is operating the CR7s on the routes instead of mainline aircraft...the yields on those routes are fairly low.
103 TOMMY767 : Not as much as you would think. They run mainline to DFW and ORD but nothing to the other AA focus cities/hubs like LAX, JFK or even MIA (AA does TUL
104 ytib : Is that including UX operations? They also codeshare with Great Lakes at DEN which is something F9 does as well.
105 Post contains links point2point : It includes all ops. I believe all of CO's is mainline, and I'll defer to the graph in the link below which shows UA mainline about 70% and UAX about
106 WesternA318 : Exactly, the only thing I see any non-Skyteam airline trying out of SLC, aside from the below mentioned AirTran, would be MIA service on AA. Amen to
107 Post contains links ytib : Looks like that just includes the Skywest operations for Express, while there is also Shuttle America, Go Jet, and Trans States. Granted Skywest does
108 CALMSP : its amazing how much CO's ops in DEN has slid over the past 24 months..........down to 10 flights a day.
109 TOMMY767 : Not too surprising. UA even has CO beat on market share of EWR-DEN with only flying it 3x a day (1x 757, 2x 320.) CO does however fly quite a few 753
110 point2point : You're right, sorry, was a bit lazy and just used a 2009 graph as reference. But now, I went to the DEN traffic #s for 06/10, and I will revise to sa
111 GlobalCabotage : If DFW is a focus city for UA, then PNS is a focus city for AA.
112 Post contains links AirFrance744 : According to many sources, one of which is www.unitedcontinentalmerger.com NRT is going to be one of the 10 hubs.
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