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Rumor: JetBlue To CVG  
User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1900 posts, RR: 9
Posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10209 times:

Rumors were flying around at CVG today that jetBlue has gotten approval to begin flights from concourse A at CVG. This was kind of out of left field for me, I wasn't expecting jetBlue to be entering very many new markets anytime soon. Any merit to this rumor? I mean something must have started it. And if true, what routes would they launch with at CVG?

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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10184 times:

DL still controls Concourse A. B6 can't come in unless there's been a deal cut between DL and the KCAB. DL hasn't announced a deal to get out of the current costs at CVG, and the KCAB hasn't announced anything either. It's nothing but a rumor without a shred of truth to it. Sorry.

User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1900 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10153 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 1):
DL still controls Concourse A.

Well this was the other part of the rumor, DL has been in negotiations with the airport and, according to the rumor, has gotten out of their concourse A leases.


User currently offlineN623JB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9916 times:

It would be great to see jetBlue @ CVG. With all respect to my fav. airline jetBlue, they need to fill in the midwest, deep south and anywhere in between, on their route map This is a good step in the right direction if its true. I wish to see more growth on their route map,especially in the U.S. regions mentioned earlier,along with Latin American expansion.
Also, I look forward to seeing JetBlue..possibly getting a 3rd Aircraft type.(The Boeing 787 Dreamliner?)...It has been mentioned in a article online a couple weeks ago. "JetBlue Contemplating B787 Orders".(That was the title of a thread posted a couple weeks ago.



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User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3727 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9709 times:

Come on back to CMH while you're at it, B6.


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User currently offlinejetblueaus From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9463 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Thread starter):
Rumors were flying around at CVG today that jetBlue has gotten approval to begin flights from concourse A at CVG.

As of right now, this is nothing but a rumor. While JetBlue lacks a midwest service - I think right now their primary focus is on their bread and butter routes. A majority of the cities and dots that have been connect involve the Caribbean and Latin America. BDL and DCA are being started at the end of this year and I don't believe JetBlue is getting any additional aircraft for the remainder of the year. If CVG is indeed going to be started - it will probably happen in 2011.



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User currently offlineicebird757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 662 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9324 times:

Quoting jetblueaus (Reply 5):
I don't believe JetBlue is getting any additional aircraft for the remainder of the year.

Actually we have 2 more E190s and 6 A320s coming.



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User currently offlinesectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8591 times:

Quoting icebird757 (Reply 6):
Actually we have 2 more E190s and 6 A320s coming.

Is that a net gain or is it replacing some older 320's that are being sold off? I know that B6 does that at times.


User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8574 times:

I thought American Eagle was going to start flying CVG-JFK. If B6 and AA are now codesharing, why would they add competition to this market?

User currently offlineWhereToNext From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8294 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Thread starter):
And if true, what routes would they launch with at CVG?

B6, please please please add FLL-CVG or MCO-CVG!

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 8):
I thought American Eagle was going to start flying CVG-JFK. If B6 and AA are now codesharing, why would they add competition to this market?

Perhaps the Eagle flight is a prerequisite to B6 adding some capacity. However, I feel like the real value in new routes from CVG will be to Florida. Every time I've been on a DL FLL-CVG or MCO-CVG flight, it has been full. Given a large B6 presence at both FLL and MCO, I would imagine we'd see B6 try to snatch some market share away from DL. However, this is still just a rumor and I have learned to not hold my breath when a rumor about a LCC at CVG surfaces.



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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3382 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8053 times:

"Is that a net gain or is it replacing some older 320's that are being sold off? I know that B6 does that at times."

Net gain of 10 aircraft this year.

"I thought American Eagle was going to start flying CVG-JFK. If B6 and AA are now codesharing, why would they add competition to this market?"

Enough! They are not codesharing. It's been stated over and over and over again. It is an interline agreement, nothing more. My apologies for being so adamant about it, but some people on a.net keep spinning this into a codeshare/possible merger and it is nothing of the sorts.

If B6 is going to serve CVG (which I doubt by the way) they will do it without regard to Eagle of AA.


User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7851 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10):
Enough! They are not codesharing. It's been stated over and over and over again. It is an interline agreement, nothing more. My apologies for being so adamant about it, but some people on a.net keep spinning this into a codeshare/possible merger and it is nothing of the sorts.

If B6 is going to serve CVG (which I doubt by the way) they will do it without regard to Eagle of AA.

Whoa horse!! Interlining..codesharing..even with a degree in Aviation, Minor in Aviation management with a concentration in Airline operations, and a couple years of flying for an airline, I still sometimes have to look to wikipedia to understand the difference between the two. Regardless of if it's interline or codeshare, who cares..they still have an agreement. Who cares if it's a B6 flight number on the ticket. To the passenger, it doesn't make a difference. I never said anything about a merger, I was just remembering back to reading about their INTERLINE agreement..the slots that they swapped at JFK and DCA, and I believe even FF miles for passengers flying on other flights. With all of this, they seem to be in bed with eachother, maybe not merger talks. Pardon my ignorance


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7451 times:

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 4):
Come on back to CMH while you're at it, B6.

You've hit on precisely why I don't think there's much to this rumour. If CMH and BNA failed, why would CVG work?



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7205 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):
You've hit on precisely why I don't think there's much to this rumour. If CMH and BNA failed, why would CVG work?

Times have changed. They could easily make BOS-CVG work, DL isn't likely going to put up a fight there. They should go back to CMH and BNA, those would do very well from BOS.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3720 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7154 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 13):
They could easily make BOS-CVG work, DL isn't likely going to put up a fight there.

DL would put up a big fight there, for sure. BOS-CVG has a lot of business, especially from P&G (Gillette World Shaving Headquarters is in BOS).

Does anyone remember NW and its aggressive "heartland strategy", and that those folks now work in DL scheduling? Or post-merger DL driving FL off ATL-CHS, ATL-MLI, and ATL-SAV? Or DL's triple SkyMiles and increased frequencies on ORD/MDW-MSP just to try driving WN out of MSP?

Yes, the CVG hub is struggling. But Delta won't let it go to a competitor without one last fight.

[Edited 2010-08-15 10:52:57]


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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6693 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 2):
Well this was the other part of the rumor, DL has been in negotiations with the airport and, according to the rumor, has gotten out of their concourse A leases.

Do you really think that if the airport was able to negotiate a way for DL to get out of the A concourse leases, that there wouldn't be a press release/press conference of some kind? The KCAB would want to trumpet their success, and signal that CVG is open for new entrants. It would not be hush hush.

That being said, I doubt very highly that DL will settle for half a loaf. It's probably going to be "all or nothing", letting DL walk away from Concourse C and the Comair HQ as part of the deal. They know KCAB wants to move everyone into T3, but DL has control of the issue.....


User currently offlinebobprobert95 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6693 times:

Seems to me that they've been doing a lot of construction around the A terminal. I've wondered what's that for. Perhaps a LCC. Believe you me, I and everyone else would love to see Jet Blue fly out of CVG but we don't have that luck.

CVG has a much better chance of losing service that getting it. That or a kick in the crotch...

JB

(Sorry, I'm bitter!)


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3720 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6620 times:

Quoting bobprobert95 (Reply 16):
Seems to me that they've been doing a lot of construction around the A terminal. I've wondered what's that for. Perhaps a LCC.

Last I heard, KCAB wants to move the T2 airlines (AA, AC, CO, UA, US) to T3 Concourse A. They might be sprucing it up for the T2 airlines and for new entrants.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6416 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 13):
Times have changed.

...which means what? B6 runs empty airplanes to BNA for maintenance rather than re-open the station, and BNABOS is unserved.



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6319 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 14):
DL would put up a big fight there, for sure. BOS-CVG has a lot of business, especially from P&G (Gillette World Shaving Headquarters is in BOS).

Does anyone remember NW and its aggressive "heartland strategy", and that those folks now work in DL scheduling? Or post-merger DL driving FL off ATL-CHS, ATL-MLI, and ATL-SAV? Or DL's triple SkyMiles and increased frequencies on ORD/MDW-MSP just to try driving WN out of MSP?

Yes, the CVG hub is struggling. But Delta won't let it go to a competitor without one last fight.

I should have said a huge fight. Yeah, they'll fight, but not so much as on say, JFK-CVG, or anything to ATL. B6 would have an easy time getting BOS-based pax.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):
...which means what? B6 runs empty airplanes to BNA for maintenance rather than re-open the station, and BNABOS is unserved.

One factor that caused B6 to leave CMH was Skybus. Now they're gone. BNA is the largest market not served nonstop from BOS (though it has PVD and MHT service via WN). I don't see why they won't jump on it, aside from maybe the route planning department assuming that since it didn't work from JFK, it won't work from BOS.



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User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6220 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 17):
Last I heard, KCAB wants to move the T2 airlines (AA, AC, CO, UA, US) to T3 Concourse A. They might be sprucing it up for the T2 airlines and for new entrants.

The better half flew out of T2 on Wednesday, and being that she's visually impaired, I can escort her to the gate. I talked to several agents and TSA agents about the possibility of them moving to Concourse A, and while they all agree that the rumors have been floating around, and that it would be great to get out of the hellhole known as T2...DL was been fairly steadfast on keeping Concourse A for themselves, even though it's fairly obvious they'll never bring enough flights back to utilize it. As it is now, they could double the flights now out of Concourse B with better gate use.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6184 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 19):
One factor that caused B6 to leave CMH was Skybus. Now they're gone.

OK. What has changed at BNA?



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6150 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 21):
OK. What has changed at BNA?

Nothing, really. B6 just will not start a route solely from BOS even though the market is there. BWI and DCA are the two cities where they fly from BOS but not from JFK. They are so adamant about fighting WN here, why don't they just start this route now? This would be an obvious place WN would add service to. They should try some BOS-only routes, with some Florida thrown in if feasible.



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User currently offlineGlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6150 times:

Not sure if CVG has the "exclusive" gate agreements that ORD has to stymie competition (outside of much higher T5 rates), but I can see this happening. DL is toast at CVG and there is demand for good fares and flights with connections. If B6 lands at CVG, it is only a matter of time before WN adds CVG-BWI/MDW/HOU and others to the network.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6071 times:

Quoting GlobalCabotage (Reply 23):
Not sure if CVG has the "exclusive" gate agreements that ORD has to stymie competition (outside of much higher T5 rates)

What in the world are you talking about? CVG, ORD, and every other US airport outside of MIA and LAS allocate gates the exact same way.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 22):
Nothing, really. B6 just will not start a route solely from BOS even though the market is there

Does that mean no CVG service?



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25 BOStonsox : I think they could make it work, they just have to try it.
26 N623JB : I think that they should re-try ATL. That is a big one for them to "re-try".
27 Cubsrule : What, exactly, is B6's plan in the middle of the country? While I don't disagree with your sentiment, I'd say it applies (or has applied) to at least
28 jetbluefan1 : As much as I think this would be a great idea if JetBlue started with the correct routes (BOS and Florida, with decent frequencies), I don't think the
29 TOLtommy : Okay, lets get the elephant out of the room. The KCAB can do NOTHING to A concourse until they reach a deal with DL. Again, they can do NOTHING. At t
30 STT757 : I can't see CVG coming before; CLE, CMH (again), STL, DTW, MSP, BNA (again), Atlanta (again), Dallas, San Antonio, Philadelphia, IND etc..
31 SurfandSnow : Why on earth would CVG need to give B6 "approval" to fly there? At this point I think CVG will bend over backwards and sideways to get someone to add
32 Cubsrule : I don't know that that's quite true. If someone (B6 or anyone else) made a gate request under Air21 and A was the only place CVG could accommodate th
33 BOStonsox : I don't work for B6, so I don't know what their plan is. I don't think of CVG as being in the middle of the country (it's still Eastern Timezone). Bu
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