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Thai Negotiating 30 XWB's And 6 A380's  
User currently offlinekeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 20394 times:

It seems the A330 represents interim lift & is part of a bigger renewal.

- XWB -900 & -1000s
- Earliest slots 2017

http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/.../191256/talks-begin-for-huge-order

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User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9623 posts, RR: 68
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 20266 times:
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Can't wait to see the A380 in Thai colors   

User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 20229 times:

I think it is a hard time for some people here...

...to realize that Thai will not cancel their existing A380 order as written hundreds of times.


12 A388s sounds a lot for Thai.


User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2104 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 20183 times:

Quoting 328JET (Reply 2):
12 A388s sounds a lot for Thai.

I would put TG 380 requirement much higher than 12. Their only problem is to sort out their home turf political red shirt, yellow shirt issues etc.


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4721 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 20154 times:
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Quoting 328JET (Reply 2):
I think it is a hard time for some people here...

...to realize that Thai will not cancel their existing A380 order as written hundreds of times.


Sometimes the reality is quite tough.  . Another 6 A380's and 30 A350-XWB (in the -900 and the -1000 version) would be another great success for Airbus.      

And if anybody had any thoughts about delivery problems, the year 2017 as the earliest delivery date might very well be an obstacle in getting this A350-order finalized. But luckily for Airbus Boeing's backlog of 800+ B787's is not going to take away that order. Maybe the B77W as an intermediate plane on lease could ease the pressure on Thai? Or are there any A340-600's left which Airbus can throw in the deal to overcome capacity problems at Thai.  .


User currently offlineMWHCVT From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 20128 times:

I hate to say as I do really like the A380 but there is no indication that TG has further interest in more 380's from the artical linked above

Would love to see a futher order though

MWHCVT



Must think up a new one soon, slow moving brain trying to get into gear ;)
User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25077 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 19985 times:
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Quoting MWHCVT (Reply 5):
I hate to say as I do really like the A380 but there is no indication that TG has further interest in more 380's from the artical linked above

The first line of the article:

"Thai Airways International has begun talks with Airbus on the possibility of acquiring up to 30 of the next-generation A350XWB jets and six additional A380 superjumbos."

"Six additional A380 superjumbos." Additional usually means more.

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User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 783 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 19975 times:

A lot of that article reads like an Airbus press release. Also, it is unusual to announce that talks are taking place for a specific number and type of aircraft, apparently early in the process.

Maybe Thai are playing the two manufacturers against each other.


User currently offlinekeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 19875 times:

From the article:

Thai Airways International has begun talks with Airbus on the possibility of acquiring up to 30 of the next-generation A350XWB jets and six additional A380 superjumbos. THAI president Piyasvasti Amranand and Jean-Jacques Boissin, Airbus's Southeast Asia sales director, separately confirmed the discussions.

I doubt the A330 contract a few days ago is a completely separate deal.


User currently offlineMWHCVT From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 19569 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 6):
Quoting keesje (Reply 8):

No that I wish to argue with two highly respected members of this site but IMO this section of the article makes it quite clear that airbus is pushing the 380 more that TG is directly pursuing further frames, as I said my opinion only

From further into the article

"Airbus also wants to sell THAI another six double-decker A380s beyond the six units already ordered and due for delivery in 2012 and 2013 to operate primarily on European routes.

"We are absolutely sure that THAI needs at least twice as many [A380s]," said Mr Boissin, though THAI executives did not comment."

MWHCVT



Must think up a new one soon, slow moving brain trying to get into gear ;)
User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25077 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 19453 times:
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Quoting MWHCVT (Reply 9):
No that I wish to argue with two highly respected members of this site but IMO this section of the article makes it quite clear that airbus is pushing the 380 more that TG is directly pursuing further frames, as I said my opinion only

That may be true, too. But fairly obviously Thai is not unwilling to listen.

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User currently onlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8287 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 19297 times:

Quoting 328JET (Reply 2):
12 A388s sounds a lot for Thai.

I sort of agree, especialy if Thailand doesn't resolv etheir internal political issues quickly, but I also think that 6 is not enough. I think 8 would be a solid start, with 4 more options. When you start looking at TG's current network, where do they operate their 747's? LHR, FRA, MUC, CDG, and ARN. 6 A380's only gives TG at most 4 or 5 weekly frequencies to these 5 destinations.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30865 posts, RR: 86
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 19256 times:
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Well the A350-1000 would make a good 777-300 replacement (with the 777-300ERs replacing the A340-600s) and the A350-900 would 777-200 and 777-300ER replacements and allow for expansion (assuming the A330-300Xs will replace the A330-300s).

And with 18 747-400s, I could see them adding an additional 6 A380-800s, using 777-300ERs to replace the rest (unless they decide to dual-fleet the A388 and 748).

With TG adding the 777F, they might add the 777-200LR as an A340-500 replacement since they could leverage some commonality across the LR777 family. And the 787-8 could slot in as a nice A300-600R replacement.

A 2020 fleet of:

A388
B77W
B77L
A35J
A359
A333X
B788

would be a foundation TG could leverage to stay competitive with SQ, VN and QF.


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2743 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 19176 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
And the 787-8 could slot in as a nice A300-600R replacement.

I believe they are leasing the 787-9 for that, the last I heard. 14 copies. OTOH, this is TG, and they do like to change their minds with the seasons, so that plan may have been scrapped. . .


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30865 posts, RR: 86
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 19106 times:
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Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 13):
I believe they are leasing the 787-9 for that, the last I heard. 14 copies.

Rather large capacity jump from an A300-600, but yes, this is TG and they seem to have little rhyme or reason to their fleet purchasing decisions.


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 18765 times:

Quoting MWHCVT (Reply 9):
No that I wish to argue with two highly respected members of this site but IMO this section of the article makes it quite clear that airbus is pushing the 380 more that TG is directly pursuing further frames, as I said my opinion only

From further into the article

"Airbus also wants to sell THAI another six double-decker A380s beyond the six units already ordered and due for delivery in 2012 and 2013 to operate primarily on European routes.

"We are absolutely sure that THAI needs at least twice as many [A380s]," said Mr Boissin, though THAI executives did not comment."

MWHCVT

I think your interpretation adds a little reality to the "announcement" and Keesje's exuberance.

Mr Boisson, Airbus Southeast Asia Sales Director is the one who "believes THAI needs thirty A350s over the next decade to replace the A340s, Boeing B777-200ERs and B777-300ERs it uses on long-haul routes." I bet he does - it's his job  

Replacements of 77Ws that are only being delivered now or are yet to be delivered? That is forward planning!


User currently offlineolympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 18205 times:

Just adding more to the pot.
Thai Airways is incredibly political in management, so their fleet planning sometimes defy logic. In essence, anything can happen.
Boisson of Airbus job is to sell jets, so a 1-for-1 replacement of their large capacity jets, and them winning over Boeing will explain the high number of jets projected here.

What are the plans for their A340-500 sitting at Suvarnabhumi?
Is the sale of the A350 instead of the A380 to an airline viewed as a consolation (I understand their differing role and size) ?



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25077 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 17901 times:
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Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 15):
Replacements of 77Ws that are only being delivered now or are yet to be delivered? That is forward planning!

When Hawaiian ordered the A350XWB, they were working at least ten years in the future.

The order was placed in 2007 and first deliveries of that aircraft don't begin until 2017. Add time for negotiation of the contract and you get an even longer time frame.

Deliveries of other Airbus aircraft - the A330 - happen before 2017, of course.

So if Airbus and/or Thai are looking at up to ten or even fifteen years in the future, I don't think that is odd.

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User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9623 posts, RR: 68
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 17784 times:
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I would say that 10-15 years is a lifetime given the instability that is Thai politics.

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25077 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 17768 times:
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Quoting clickhappy (Reply 18):
I would say that 10-15 years is a lifetime given the instability that is Thai politics.

That may be true.

But it doesn't surprise me for an airline to be thinking that far ahead when it comes to a major aircraft order.

  

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User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 17771 times:

Quoting MWHCVT (Reply 9):
No that I wish to argue with two highly respected members of this site but IMO this section of the article makes it quite clear that airbus is pushing the 380 more that TG is directly pursuing further frames, as I said my opinion only
Quoting keesje (Reply 8):
Thai Airways International has begun talks with Airbus on the possibility of acquiring up to 30 of the next-generation A350XWB jets and six additional A380 superjumbos.

Sounds to me like TG has initiated the talks, but Airbus trying to convince TG to throw in more A380sin the deal.
It all comes down to the wording by the journalist.

Quoting olympic472 (Reply 16):
What are the plans for their A340-500 sitting at Suvarnabhumi?

I don't think they are only sitting there. TG uses A345s to LAX and OSL.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 11):
When you start looking at TG's current network, where do they operate their 747's? LHR, FRA, MUC, CDG, and ARN.

Add CPH to the European destination list, and then add regular flights to SIN, HKG, NRT and some other Asia destinations.  



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User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9623 posts, RR: 68
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 17700 times:
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I would not consider the running of an airline like Thai to be compared to that of say, Hawaiian. Unless the shareholders of HA demand the governments of Europe buy hawaiian coconuts in exchange for a large Airbus order.

A large order from Thai will come with strings, as well as a certain degree of uncertainty. So, while some airlines might be doing fleet planning 10-15 years out, I am of the opinion that Thai would not be one of those airlines.

But I do hope they take their original A380 frames soon, I am looking forward to flying on one.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25077 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 17633 times:
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Quoting clickhappy (Reply 21):
A large order from Thai will come with strings, as well as a certain degree of uncertainty. So, while some airlines might be doing fleet planning 10-15 years out, I am of the opinion that Thai would not be one of those airlines.

Okay. I see it differently.

For one thing, they're going to get a better price. And yes, it may come with sorts of strings but it is certainly in the best interests of Airbus to tie up a long term order and, as noted, Thai seems willing to talk about it.

It doesn't mean they will to come to an agreement, it doesn't mean they have to sign. It is a negotiation, not a done deal.

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User currently offlinenethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1079 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 17490 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
would be a foundation TG could leverage to stay competitive with SQ, VN and QF.

Can I delete VN from THAI's competitors list?
I don't think that VN will, in the next decade, become a potential south east asia dominator.
Vietnam is so overrated.



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User currently offlineCentre From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 17474 times:

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 21):
Unless the shareholders of HA demand the governments of Europe buy hawaiian coconuts in exchange for a large Airbus order.

Not sure, but was it shrimp in the case of Thai? either way, that doesn't negate the fact that the A359, A3510 and the A380 are on the top of their class and will be sought after by customers who can afford and fill them.
After all, Boeing really has a reason to worry about the A3510 if this negotiated order comes to fruitation.



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25 BoeingVista : BA/IB and AF/KLM need to get a move on...
26 Centre : QF, LH group, AC and SA to name a few more.[Edited 2010-08-15 22:27:05]
27 babybus : I don't think we have to interpret every word or insinuation by syntax of the article as I'm sure the journalist responsible didn't intend either. The
28 CFBFrame : If you changed the config to a A350-900, I'll agree. The -1000 will not put fear in the 77W. The best thing that will happen for the 77W will be when
29 Post contains images Centre : We are talking about 2017 for two close aircrafts in terms of passenger loads, and are a generation apart. By 2017, the 77W as it is today will be so
30 Navigator : Thai representatives have said pretty recently that the daily route BKK - ARN would be among the first to be upgraded from 747-400 to A380 once they g
31 328JET : @ CFBFrame Every order or even interest in the A350-1000 increases the pressure for Boeing about a new B777-generation. The A350-1000 just started to
32 Centre : Thanks, that was exactly my point. The A350-1000 has been written off by so many posters on this forum for the lack for orders. In my opinion, the ma
33 keesje : Thai separately confirmed the discussions, it seems also the numbers mentioned.
34 MingToo : The political issues are not so much of a problem on the ground especially in the tourist areas which is a large part of their airline business. I wa
35 behramjee : With all due respect to the TG representative, he is out of his league to be making such an ill founded comment which makes no commercial sense what
36 pylon101 : I completely agree with Col. Actually there are no limits for TG expansion but instability in politics. Thailand has a unique position in Asia. It is
37 Centre : Do you have any support of this statement? IMO, Thai's top brass are well aware of their network needs more than anybody else.
38 MingToo : I think you might be underestimating just how popular Thailand is with Swedish tourists. Far more Swedes visit Thailand than Italians despite it havi
39 Chiad : And with Norwegians too. I think Thai Airways is, at the moment, the only B747 operator at GEN. Like I've said before: There seems to be a major shif
40 Post contains images MingToo : Thai tourist figures (2007 which seems to be the latest data on the official website)
41 Post contains images art : It sounds a bit like Airbus have decided to do Thai a favour and have taken it upon themselves to do Thai's A380 fleet planning for them! Now that's
42 behramjee : yeah I do...according to official data available, 1315 passengers only TG carried between July 2009 till June 2010 in their business class cabin on t
43 behramjee : With all due respect, I feel the total opposite especially when you look at how they were sending A 345s to OSL which thankfully has just been change
44 MingToo : I was working more from you saying that FCO is a high demand route for BKK. I don't think that is the case since Thai flies only 4 times weekly from
45 behramjee : oh ok...what I was hinting at for FCO was that it would be way cheaper for TG to use a B 77W on this sector versus a B 744 which offers more or less
46 MingToo : Ok, fair enough ! I think that the main issue for TG in Europe will be competition from Emirates and others in the ME, particularly once they start f
47 Post contains images behramjee : you're refering to QR and not EK QR will fly FCO DOH KUL HKT...way faster and easier to fly FCO BKK HKT on TG !
48 MillwallSean : Ok lets see the TG rep is out of his depth despite working for the airline, knowing his companies exact numbers and how each destination performs. Bu
49 MingToo : QR today ... EK tomorrow (well QR in October, EK sometime I'm sure). It might be faster and easier but not necessarily cheaper and this is mainly lei
50 Someone83 : Thai uses 772 in the winter and 340-500 in the summer to OSL (GEN is no longer used as the code for Gardermoen). Although the 340-500 is sometimes sw
51 dairy : what about the A321 they ordered? Id just love to see them fly around...
52 airbazar : TG must have the most under utilized 744 fleet in the World. Are the all currently in operation or are some of them parked? Bangkok is still Southeas
53 MingToo : I didn't say that there wouldn't be an adverse affect on the economy, only that in the tourist areas such as Phuket so far it seems to have made no n
54 Post contains images lightsaber : The low CASM of the A388 could fill seats when 744's have to be parked (due to their high per seat fuel consumption). Good to hear TI is expanding. B
55 pylon101 : Wow. Looks like a.net community gave authorization to TG to expand. Rare thing - almost no objections. Then we could woder - what did it take them so
56 Post contains images airbazar : That's only because their livery looks incredible on the A380
57 behramjee : 12 A 380s would mean: 2 for FRA 2 for CDG 4 for double daily LHR 2 for double daily SYD 1 for daily NRT 1 to be squeezed in for scheduling purposes as
58 LAXDESI : How about Russia with 277,000 yearly passengers.
59 behramjee : yield problem! A 380s will be used primarily on routes that see decent F and J class loads in particular.
60 Post contains images pylon101 : I strongly oppose descrimination of Russian leisure travellers like me! I want to pay my $1,000 to Thai instead of a dozen of other options. Please no
61 migair54 : THAI is moving forward with SIA operating A380, Qantas as well and MH soon, they need to fly them as soon as possible as well to keep the highest stan
62 Post contains images airbazar : That's a serious under-utilized fleet. You only need 6 A380's to operate all of those routes. BKK-NRT is a 2500nm route that doesn't need a dedicated
63 behramjee : Hi...you cannot fly with one dedicated A 380 BKK-Europe-BKK because according to the current TG timetable, their aircraft sits on the ground in EU fo
64 airbazar : I know that. FRA/CDG/CPH/LHR all require 2 aircraft each. That's 8 frames. NRT/SYD(?)/HKG are short enough that they can all fit in between the Europ
65 Post contains images aerokiwi : Well, it is all we have to go on, afterall, as presented by the OP. Essentially you have an Airbus Sales Executive enthusiastically promoting his pro
66 behramjee : CPH A 380 is a bit far fetched IMO as it will not even fill 40% of the big J/F class cabins ! It is another prime candidate for a 2 class 390 seater
67 Someone83 : It's more like 1,5 each than 2
68 behramjee : FYI, on CPH-BKK route for the past 12 months, a total of 4568 pax only flew in J class only out of which 80% was on TG !
69 EBGflyer : That's 3654 on TG, which equates to around 10 a day in average.
70 sydaircargo : i just hope TG takes some more A380 to replace there aging 747 fleet . some of themare realy old. specially the ones they fly domestic from BKK-to HKT
71 mariner : "The existence of talks" means they are talking. I'm not sure what more would you expect at this stage of the negotiation. mariner
72 behramjee : for high density domestic routes replacing a B 744 with a B 773 is more practical.
73 GBan : How should that work?
74 airbazar : What about ARN? Does that have higher J/F demand? In my opinion TG does not have as high a number of F/J passengers as the likes of SQ/QF/EK, so we m
75 Post contains images Someone83 : It's not like there is 1 plane dedicated to a single route, but the aircrafts are rotated through the system, thus improving the utilization of the a
76 vincewy : I thought TG would eventually need more than 12, looking at their current 747 schedules, along with future trends and developments LHR X 4 FRA X 4 (*A
77 Lawair : I'm a little confused about the statistics for TG's Scandinavian routes. When the discussion is about J passengers, are we talking about the front J-c
78 GBan : I understand that. But I still fail to understand how rotation should work when serving said destinations (FRA/CDG/CPH/LHR) from BKK. You say it is p
79 airbazar : I believe I'm the one who said that in reply 62. To answer your question just look at SQ's schedule. This is an over-simplification of the aircraft u
80 GBan : Agreed, that's how I understand it - 2 frames per destination in Europe. That's why I asked: Quoting airbazar (Reply 64): FRA/CDG/CPH/LHR all require
81 Post contains images airbazar : I think we are all saying the same thing in different forms Techincally, in terms of hours of utilization, it's less than 2 frames. But you can't rea
82 Post contains images GBan : I was under the impression that Someone83 knows how to do that, hence I asked
83 Larshjort : The old F-class is sold as J, the old J is sold as Y+ and Y is sold as Y. But sometime they must run out of old configured aircraft. /Lars
84 Post contains images swissgabe : Looks like we have a lot of TG insiders around here! I wonder how CDG, MXP and ZRH comes to a TG 747 schedule. LHR/FRA/FCO/MUC is operated by a 744 (n
85 behramjee : They could have made more money and found it more easier to sell their A 345s if they reconfigured their aircraft to a J and Y class configuration on
86 swissgabe : Are you trying to say that TG hasn't been able to sell those planes because of the configuration? I would rather say that TG didn't get what they wan
87 behramjee : Configuration indeed a big factor because why would an airline make such a large investment in purchasing these 4 frames and then make another notewo
88 LAXDESI : How much would it cost to take out 30J and all of Y+ seats, and replace them with Y seats?
89 Post contains images airbazar : Because that's exactly what happens? Are you suggesting that when an airline buys a plane from another airline, the new owner doesn't change the inte
90 behramjee : Then kindly explain to me the below mentioned stuff: TAM A 345s ex AC...nothing changed for 2 years since obtained EK and GF A 343s ex SQ...nothing c
91 swissgabe : A major carrier with a reasonable CI would certainly adjust those products to their own standard if they purchase new equipment. There are plenty of
92 ZK-NBT : Put simply that could work but in reality it can't when you factor in maintanence and the fact that as said earlier TG aircraft spend several hours o
93 ohsopc : This is how it works... 3 747-400s per 2 Europe frequencies each rotating between day and night flights. For example: Bangkok (midnight) - Europe (ne
94 Post contains links n1786b : Everybody - hold your horses (and back on topic). Thai is talking to BOTH AB and BA. http://www.reuters.com/article/idCNSGE67J0A620100820?rpc=44 "Thai
95 Kappel : Knowing TG, it would not surprise me in the least to see a mixed 787/a350 order. The above quote only seems to confirm that IMHO.
96 Chiad : Most probably! But one must be allowed to speculate that the A330 firm order last month could be an interim lift, like the topic suggests. If it is t
97 ohsopc : That is true. I read somewhere in the past that TG has a policy of ordering both Airbus and Boeing in similar amounts to try to keep their fleet 50-5
98 Post contains images Stitch : TG must be referring to payload weight since a 787-8 and 787-9 should offer more cargo volume than an A350-800 and A350-900 due to the higher passeng
99 Post contains images EPA001 : You could very well be right. . Though I still hope they will add some A380's as well. .
100 airbazar : That is nothing compared to the hundreds of leased planes that are flying out there and reconfigured every time they change hands.
101 Post contains images PM : But TG didn't 'order' the 77Ws. They are leasing used planes. Hardly the same. As I understand it, the two orders for A330s (8+7) are intended to rep
102 Stitch : So if the 15 A330-300Xs are to replace the A300-600Rs... 11 787-9s to replace the existing A330-300 fleet with 14 A350-900s to replace the 777-200/77
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