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Massive Changes For TPA Ahead ....  
User currently offlinebillreid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8360 times:

A new CEO will be picked soon, what will this mean?
TPA is noted as a nothing doing airport from a marketing perspective where the air service department only welcomes new service, as nil incentives are used to drive new service.
Can the existing Marketing and Communications department survive change?
Will there be a cleaning of house?

Can an airport staff survive a change in senior management if they have been inactive for years without any true wins?


Some people don't get it. Business is about making MONEY!
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User currently offlineskord From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8252 times:

I cant comment on the politics of TPA, but as a regular visitor from the UK, purely as a tourist 2-3 times a year, we always visit Florida + a US City in each trip. I Can honestly say that TPA is without doubt our favourite US Airport. Whatever changes may occur in the future, I hope it will only get better.

User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2408 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8116 times:

There is always politics involved at TPA. However, I am not sure what an airport can do to lure more flights by the established airlines. The airlines already know what routes work and what routes do not. I am not sure the FAA allows subsidized routes by airport authorities, so something like that would have to come from the area business and other governmental agencies.

TPA is working to get Condor in, and that may /may not happen depending on how Condor thinks it can better be served by either TPA and SRQ.

Layoffs are hitting the agency for the first time in a long time, but that is not a bad thing, since traffic has fallen off because of the economy and construction projects (including the new airside) have been pushed back.

TPA has been well run over the years, let's see if they continue that into the future.


User currently offlinebillreid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7857 times:

Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 2):
TPA has been well run over the years, let's see if they continue that into the future.

I agree that TPA has been well run over the years, but the problem is that TPA lost its CEO because the Board of Directors were not happy with thier route development stratedgy. Now when a new CEO starts will he shake the tree, and will a whole new era begin. In reality TPA is far from an international airport.

With the exception of flights from Canada they do not have daily service to any other country in the world and that was the board's complaint. So will huge marketing changes be in the cards, is TPA even possible as a true interntional dstination?



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7829 times:

I think one area the new TPA leadership should be concentrating their efforts is to extend the Florida high Speed rail line to TPA, there's a lot of debate about that right now and if they were able to win the support to extend the High Speed rail line right to the airport they would be able to better market TPA as either an alternative to MCO to access the Central Florida theme parks and or to package them together. The Florida High Speed rail will connect to MCO, TPA should make sure their end is connected to the airport.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/transpo...-tampa-airport-in-study-of/1109956



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User currently offlineTPADave From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 63 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7606 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):
I think one area the new TPA leadership should be concentrating their efforts is to extend the Florida high Speed rail line to TPA, there's a lot of debate about that right now and if they were able to win the support to extend the High Speed rail line right to the airport they would be able to better market TPA as either an alternative to MCO to access the Central Florida theme parks and or to package them together. The Florida High Speed rail will connect to MCO, TPA should make sure their end is connected to the airport.

On the one hand I have been quite concerned that TPA will not be linked to the high speed line. With MCO receiving a direct connection it will be possible for residents or visitors from Tampa to easily hop on the train to Orlando's airport without any of the hassle of driving on I-4. While I'm a huge fan of both the high speed rail and local light rail for Tampa, I think without a stop at TPA, the airport may continue to stagnate and cement MCO's status as the region's airport. This may relegate TPA to 2nd tier status and could even result in reduced service. I know this may be an overly pessimistic view, and I do hope my concerns are not realized.

On the other hand, I do agree that the distance between the downtown Tampa station and a possible TPA stop would be so short as to not warrant a high speed rail spur as it would lack operational efficiencies. The best solution seems to be a light rail stop at TPA that would connect with HS rail at the downtown multi-modal station. While a slight inconvenience for some passengers this may ultimately prove the most workable solution.


User currently offlinebillreid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7509 times:

Quoting TPADave (Reply 5):
On the one hand I have been quite concerned that TPA will not be linked to the high speed line. With MCO receiving a direct connection it will be possible for residents or visitors from Tampa to easily hop on the train to Orlando's airport without any of the hassle of driving on I-4.

I am not sure about the reality of the rail system aver been completed before the year 2525, to quote a song. But if a rail system is built it should be from city center to airport to city center just as in Europe if it is to be of any value at all. That means ot goes from downtown Orlando to MCO to Tampa to TPA to Bradenton to SRQ to Sarasota to Venice to RSW to Ft Myers to Naples and on to MIA then center Miami. On the other side it goes from JAX to Jacksonville to Orlando to MCO to West Palm to PBI to Ft. lauderdale to Fll to miami To MIA to naples and back to MCO via the stops. If not it will fail. It needs to be like in Europe and be about 33% faster than driving and that means a 120MPH cruise with a top speed like the ICE in Germany of 190MPH. Other wise it will fail.

The thing is that with building and all the rest I do not again expect the bureaucrats to get this done before 2525, do you??



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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3599 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7459 times:

But that is not how the United States works in most places. We are not a nation of great cities; for better or worse, we are a nation of great suburbs that are accessed by car.

With the exception of New York, Boston, DC, San Francisco, Chicago, maybe Miami, maybe Lauderdale, maybe New Orleans, the majority of people arriving at the local airport are not getting on a train to the city center.

Orlando is a huge tourism desitnation, second only to NYC in the US, yet most of those tourists never see downtown Orlando because there really isn't much to see. People leave MCO and go to Disney, Universal, Sea World, International Drive or the beaches on either coast.

Tampa is more of a "city" in terms of a downtown, but most tourists going there are going to a beach or Busch Gardens. The closest they get to Downtown is Ibor City.


User currently offlinebillreid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7441 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 7):
Tampa is more of a "city" in terms of a downtown, but most tourists going there are going to a beach or Busch Gardens. The closest they get to Downtown is Ibor City.

Agreed, but the trains going from airport to airport is counter-intuitive.
You are right about the burbs, but unless the USA starts building some infrastructure the whole nation is going to crash and burn bitterly. As populations increase so does congestion, and the end result will be massive gridlock. Additionally, most Americans don't have a clue on how to operate an automobile , so explosive population growth will be disastrous for the nation. Beyond this the Fed Gov is dong little or nil to maintain the roads and bridges so other modes of transportation only make sense.

And by the way if you drive in Florida you'll notice 97 year olds, in the left lane, on the Interstate driving 40mph...
And in town they make right turns from the left lanes, and left turns from the right lane. "Look Mabel a donut sale we should stop"

But to quote Winston Churchill, "You can count on America to do the right thing...... Eventually" In the year 2525....



Some people don't get it. Business is about making MONEY!
User currently offlineTPADave From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 63 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7353 times:

Quoting billreid (Reply 6):
The thing is that with building and all the rest I do not again expect the bureaucrats to get this done before 2525, do you??

While it may be a decade or so before the Tampa-Orlando leg of the HS rail is completed, approx $1.25 billion has been allocated from the federal stimulus to pay for it. Groundbreaking is to commence within the year I believe. I agree it will be years before a complete intra-Florida network is completed, no doubt with many compromises along the way. I also agree with the need to fund additional infrastructure projects in order to keep pace with growth. The problem is that people complain without willing to shoulder an appropriate tax burden. You can't have it both ways

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 7):
Tampa is more of a "city" in terms of a downtown, but most tourists going there are going to a beach or Busch Gardens. The closest they get to Downtown is Ibor City.

This is where light rail will aid in moving people around. While most American cities lack the density of European cities which allow walking to a rail station, the ability even to "park-and-ride" will be a tremendous step forward on so many levels.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5285 times:

Quoting billreid (Thread starter):
Can an airport staff survive a change in senior management if they have been inactive for years without any true wins?

I can think of one airport that is experiencing this scenario right now: EVV.

Over the past 5 years:
-EVV lost US, but so did a bunch of other small/midsize airports.
-EVV fought for Cape Air intrastate flights to IND, got them, and then no one used them. They're gone.
-The biggest blunder: EVV offered the same incentives to G4 that were offered to existing carriers AA, DL, and NW (1 free year of landing fees). G4 basically said "no thanks - too stingy of incentives" and started flying from OWB.
-EVV didn't have a compelling case in their SCASD application for FL (which was rejected). They blamed the DL/NW merger for a 70% DL marketshare and correspondingly high fares.
-DL dropped EVV-MEM after the NW merger, reinstated it, and dropped it again.

In the end, Bob Working, EVV's director for 20+ years, is retiring; and EVV is going to get a new director shortly.



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlinegraham697 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5165 times:

It has been a while since I have posted on A.net, but I thought it was time for a resurgence. Any who, HCAA is experiencing new management for the first time in decades. At first, I was pretty concerned because the motives behind the terminations were a tad suspect. I did finally get over that, but the Board is still full of new cronies who don't understand the business. Ok I am done ranting....

Tampa Bay, as a whole has never had solid political leadership in the past decade or so. Without someone leading the way for the whole Metro area there will never be demand for the levels of service people want in the area. The economy is based on tourism and that is pretty much it. From a economic point of view that is a horrendous way to position a market for job growth and one of the two reasons I never returned to the area. International service to Europe is going to be a long shot unless the region begins to recruit large scale corporate operations. Remember all of this when you are voting this November.

The second reason is the lack of proper development planning (not like it matters much for the next five years), which is the specific problem people raise with the light rail/HSR system that should be built in the area. If the system is built they MUST adopt TOD (transit oriented development) planning like most major metro areas are doing now. Basically, it is time to build up around stations like they did 100 years ago. This growth is not just more environmentally friendly, but attracts a younger and more affluent population that major companies love to hire.

HCAA should ensure that TBARTA builds a light rail connection to the airport. MWAA, here in my new hometown, assisted our Metro in building the Silver line to Dulles by issuing bonds based on the toll road. As of now, the financial avenues for HCAA to do such a thing is limited, but the authority as a whole has the financial power to make sure it happens. Mr. Miller ran the airport rather fiscally conservative, so it could help pony up the funds for light rail on airport grounds.

It all takes time, but the first thing the region needs to do is wake up and spend the extra cent. If you don't build it now you will end up paying 5 cents in the future.



Looking forward to the new AA
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5557 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5111 times:

Maybe I'm being picky but shouldn't the title of this thread end with a "?": "Massive Changes Ahead for TPA?" ?

Seems to me the only official change coming is a new CEO. That could mean nothing major will happen.

bb


User currently offlinediscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

Quoting billreid (Reply 8):
You are right about the burbs, but unless the USA starts building some infrastructure the whole nation is going to crash and burn bitterly. As populations increase so does congestion, and the end result will be massive gridlock. Additionally, most Americans don't have a clue on how to operate an automobile , so explosive population growth will be disastrous for the nation. Beyond this the Fed Gov is dong little or nil to maintain the roads and bridges so other modes of transportation only make sense.

A few points of clarification:

1. Most of the USA is wide open space the likes of which visitors from western Europe have never seen. The reason our suburbs keep growing is because, outside the northeast corridor, there's virtually unlimited space. Congestion can be a local problem, but for most people most of the time, it's not a showstopper.

2. In the USA, the federal government has no direct role in the maintenance of highways and related infrastructure. That's done by state and local governments. Federal funding is available for some projects, but actual management is done at the state level. That's why it's inconsistent from state to state - Pennsylvania is known for having bumpy and inadequate roads, while in neighboring Maryland, the highways are generally in much better shape, despite generally similar weather patterns and heavy use all around.

3. I freely grant that public transit in the USA is not what it should be in many places. However, in densely-populated areas like the northeast corridor, it is well-used and a highly-acceptable means of local travel. Here in DC, for example, we love to hate the Metro, but we all use it. In most of the rest of the country, population density is too low for public transit to be a cost-effective option. As other posters have mentioned, central Florida is a good example of this. As for intercity travel, most distances are so great that air travel is just a better way of getting there, even with delays.


User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2408 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4848 times:

Quoting graham697 (Reply 11):
International service to Europe is going to be a long shot unless the region begins to recruit large scale corporate operations. Remember all of this when you are voting this November.

It does not matter who you vote for. With the proximity of ATL/MIA extensive overseas flights will always be a non-starter. It doesn't really matter how many large scale corporate operations you have. Just ask STL, PIT. Others. There is a reason it is called hub and spoke.


User currently offlinegraham697 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4565 times:

Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 14):
It does not matter who you vote for. With the proximity of ATL/MIA extensive overseas flights will always be a non-starter. It doesn't really matter how many large scale corporate operations you have. Just ask STL, PIT. Others. There is a reason it is called hub and spoke.

Sorry, I didn't really mean it in that context. The voting comment was more directed at electing leadership that would work to improve the region, so major companies would have a desire to move there. I do agree with you that it will still be hard to have an airline dedicate international service to TPA, but it would make the HCAA's argument stronger.



Looking forward to the new AA
User currently offlinejetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3345 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4473 times:

Quoting billreid (Thread starter):
A new CEO will be picked soon, what will this mean?
TPA is noted as a nothing doing airport from a marketing perspective where the air service department only welcomes new service, as nil incentives are used to drive new service.
Can the existing Marketing and Communications department survive change?
Will there be a cleaning of house?

Can an airport staff survive a change in senior management if they have been inactive for years without any true wins?

TPA has done plenty of ASD work over the past decade. Lot's of it actually. The market has excellent air service.

The problem is what some people WANT is not what the market can support. The previous management knew this. The consultants (more than one) knew this. The airlines KNOW this.

The only people who don't seem to get are the people who ignore the data and expertise.

Bill, let me ask you, because you seem to be very opinionated about this. What obvious new service opportunity has the airport completely missed the ball on? And what HAVEN'T they done, to achieve this opportunity?


User currently offlineGoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4425 times:

I didn't even think that the HS train would benefit TPA b/c of the reasons said in this topic. However, wouldn't a HS train distract drivers as they're driving thus causing more accidents? I always thought that was the controversy as opposed to the purpose of it.


From the airport with love
User currently offlineATLTPA From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4425 times:

Quoting TPADave (Reply 9):
While it may be a decade or so before the Tampa-Orlando leg of the HS rail is completed, approx $1.25 billion has been allocated from the federal stimulus to pay for it. Groundbreaking is to commence within the year I believe. I agree it will be years before a complete intra-Florida network is completed, no doubt with many compromises along the way. I also agree with the need to fund additional infrastructure projects in order to keep pace with growth. The problem is that people complain without willing to shoulder an appropriate tax burden. You can't have it both ways

TPADave, I agree!

The Tampa Bay area needs both high speed rail and light rail (as well as commuter rail, eventually)-- and both should stop at Tampa International Airport.

Both Miami International and MCO will be on the planned high speed rail lines, so why not Tampa's airport, too? Leaving it off the line makes no sense (and the "operational reasons" cited by some transportation planners as reasons why a TPA stop should be left off are poppycock).

I only wish I could take Florida's passenger rail transportation planners to other countries where high speed, intercity, and commuter rail (as well as adequate transit systems) serve airports. Spain, Germany, perhaps South Korea?

And TPADave is also right that to do all this will require more taxes. But since good transportation systems benefit the broader economy, supporting good infrastructure seems logical to me.


User currently offlinetpa36r From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4397 times:

Don't get me wrong, TPA needs a HS rail stop, if for anything to connect it to other parts of the state. However, it is going to be a much harder sale to anyone because of the markets MCO and MIA support. Orlando has the Disney thing going for it and MIA has....well its Miami. What does Tampa have? Beach? Well there is plenty more around the state that people visit. Tampa isn't a very beach tourist area believe it or not. Tampa just isn't a real big 'hot spot' for activity. It supports itself well, but thats about it.

User currently offlineN92R03 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

I'll stay away form the rail topics for the sake of not beating the dead horse any more. Can anyone provide some updates on the current visible projects going on at TPA?

1 - The huge overpass thing on the north side of the field? Is that an overpass like on the south side, where planes taxi over the entrance road? Are we really that close to having a "north side" terminal? Or are we just getting that part of the project completed while the money is available?

2 - PEMCO appears to be working out, I always see UA planes in there for whatever it is that they are doing. Saw some 744's in there earlier this year.

3- The old Delta hangar is getting a face lift, anyone know who is taking it over?

4- Drew Park/Cargo. Not much left of Drew Park, new cargo facility appears to be complete, roads have been done for a while. Is that a water tower going up over there?

Int'l service will always be limited with MCO 90 miles away and connections via MIA, IAD, JFK, etc. I hope the current management can do as well as Louis Miller did for so many years.


User currently offlinejetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3345 posts, RR: 35
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3948 times:

Quoting N92R03 (Reply 20):
Int'l service will always be limited with MCO 90 miles away and connections via MIA, IAD, JFK, etc. I hope the current management can do as well as Louis Miller did for so many years.

Exactly. And let's not forget that there is virtually no premium demand out of TPA for international destinations.


User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2408 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3948 times:

Quoting ATLTPA (Reply 18):
I only wish I could take Florida's passenger rail transportation planners to other countries where high speed, intercity, and commuter rail (as well as adequate transit systems) serve airports. Spain, Germany, perhaps South Korea?

And take note of the freight rail issues there as well. Freight rail is a basket case in Europe. Freight rail is the most efficient and cost effective in the US. There is a reason we do not have High Speed Rail. Spending Billions will not change that, nor alter behavior that much IMHO.

The citizens/taxpayers have voted. We are auto and airplane driven in our national transportation needs.And if we suddenly change our habits, freight rail will suffer with corresponding economic issues that entail. There is always more than one variable in any example.


User currently offlinebillreid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3849 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 12):
Maybe I'm being picky but shouldn't the title of this thread end with a "?": "Massive Changes Ahead for TPA?" ?

Seems to me the only official change coming is a new CEO. That could mean nothing major will happen.

Yes a question mark might have been more wise. I take that one.

As for changes, when the CEO resigned it was because of lack of international service and the concept that ASD was ineffective at TPA. That been said, If a new person enters the fray then do you expect the old staff to remain in tact? I for one expect a cleaning of the entire marketing department, after all the board didn't like the work that was being done so do you expect the new CEO to try to train a staff that has being going down a particular path for 15 years or does he bring in staff that he knows he can trust.

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 16):
Bill, let me ask you, because you seem to be very opinionated about this. What obvious new service opportunity has the airport completely missed the ball on? And what HAVEN'T they done, to achieve this opportunity?

Lets see. MP was in and left. DE was in and left. BA isn't even daily!
Internationally, they haven't done a thing. RSW could get German service and TPA not?
Yes they have domestic, but what did they do to bring it in? Oh sorry, they had a party for the first flight.
Lets be honest, TPA has NO incentive program, it only waits for new service and welcomes it. It is the dinosaur system of marketing "wait and it will come". We are talking about Tampa and not Los Angeles or NYC or even Chicago. Marketing needs to go get the business not wait for it to show up.

At the recent Florida Airports Council (FAC) TPA staff were talking about how they were concerned about a new CEO coming in, if they were not concerned about a new boss then they are secure in their jobs, but by the way they were chatting it was clear they are scared, and that means one thing ...... they are insecure about the way they have operated over the last decade and they are worried about the boards lack of confidence. If not the case, the CEO would not have resigned abruptly....



Some people don't get it. Business is about making MONEY!
User currently onlineBTVB6Flyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3690 times:

Quoting N92R03 (Reply 20):
3- The old Delta hangar is getting a face lift, anyone know who is taking it over?



PEMCO bought that hanger as well, expected to be opened sometime in September. I'll look for the source tonight.


25 TPADave : Look, I don't think any reasonable person will argue that Tampa is on the same footing as MIA or frankly even Orlando (when it comes to overall deman
26 TVNWZ : RSW? Or SRQ? SRQ is trying to get Condor. this could happen much like SFB has certain airlines and MCO does not. RSW is different. From my experience
27 TPADave : This is often quoted as a reason to throw up our hands and accept whatever service we currently enjoy. While certain routes have no doubt been studie
28 jetlanta : How many airport CEO's know anything about Air Service Development? You really think they are going to "train" staff? Let's see. MP and DE left becau
29 Post contains links TVNWZ : I do not disagree. I just don't believe that there are that many places airlines can add from TPA that would make financial sense for them. What woul
30 jetlanta : Dave, the airport staff does "tirelessly examine possibilities and lobby carriers". Apparently far more than you are aware of. They don't publicize t
31 Post contains images point2point : As mentioned earlier, unless an airline comes in and drops a hub into TPA, this will be mostly routes to hubs and some point to point flights. But wh
32 jetlanta : I'd like to see a list of routes that people think that TPA "should" have today. I'd also like to see some data supporting their contention.
33 enilria : I don't really see how you can blame failed service on Air Service Development anyway. If anything you should applaud them for being able to lure the
34 Post contains images jetlanta : Thanks for clarifying what I hoped would have been obvious! That is the thing here. The Tampa Bay market has OBJECTIVELY demonstrated that a far-flun
35 billreid : Without mentioning any airline, could you please tell me what they offer, or t least the format. It has been in the press what SRQ has offered Condor
36 jetlanta : I don't know the details because they are not my client and the information is not generally publicly available, out of respect for the carriers invo
37 TVNWZ : And it would be interesting to see the success rate for all those millions places like PIT have shelled out. My bet is very few have been successful
38 SANFan : If it's any consolation, TPA is certainly not alone in these issues of airline service. There are LOTS of other U.S. cities in the medium to high-medi
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