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DL ATL Fallen Hero Shown Respect  
User currently offlineMNMncrcnwjr From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 308 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12448 times:

As we were taxiing into our Gate in ATL Sunday August 15th at 6pm EDT. at Gate A2 there seemed that there was a solemn ceremony going on on the ramp. It appeared as if one of our fallen Hero's was arriving or departing the DL flight at Gate A2. The stunning issue was the respect that was shown by the ramp crew. There was one ramp agent that was holding parade sized American flag and appeared himself at attention, while the others were standing as if they were at attention also. I have only seen this one other time in MSP during Gulf war 1.

Is this the norm per DL operating procedure? Do other Airlines conduct fallen Hero transfers with similar show of respect.

I wish I could of snapped a pic......


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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3104 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12413 times:

Wonderful to hear of that. Simple respect is someting one sees too rarely in today's world.


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User currently offlineDL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12373 times:

When I worked at SEA, the airport police and fire dept would form an honor guard as the casket was removed from the a/c. Most (if not all) ramp and MTC people would stop what they were doing out of respect.

I remember watching this process way too many times....


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7276 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12327 times:

Quoting DL1011 (Reply 2):
When I worked at SEA, the airport police and fire dept would form an honor guard as the casket was removed from the a/c. Most (if not all) ramp and MTC people would stop what they were doing out of respect.

There is a video somewhere ( I could not find it) from a plane carrying a fallen soilder going into the gate at MIA I think and the ramps was lined up with Police and Fire Trucks.



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10652 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12313 times:

NW had such a program at MSP, started by Eric Besvold about the same time as the program by DL in ATL. The agent that runs the program in ATL is Brian McConnell. I used to work with him in SLC and you couldn't find anyone better for the job. Since the merger, the programs have been merged and, I believe, are being spread thru the system. It has become an advertised program for funeral directors on DL's cargo website.


Here's an article about the MSP program..............http://www.startribune.com/local/south/40881412.html



If you can, see the movie "Taking Chance" starring Kevin Bacon. It has a couple of scenes in there of the NW program.



Here's a YouTube video that Brian McConnell put up of when they rendered honors for his father.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2aHP...S-3w&playnext=1&videos=fvrV8Esom-I

[Edited 2010-08-16 10:07:16]

[Edited 2010-08-16 10:29:06]


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User currently offlinesking11 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12303 times:

When I worked for United, there was the utmost shower of respect for fallen heroes. Usually we would somehow find out ahead of time of a incoming flight and anybody available would come and pay their respect by doing exactly what the Delta ramp crew was doing. It actually got pretty tearful at times.

User currently offlineDLATLOpsSup From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 78 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12184 times:

Quoting MNMncrcnwjr (Thread starter):
Is this the norm per DL operating procedure?

We actually have an entire "Honor Gaurd" that does this for every possible arrival that they can. They have special carts that have "cart" size decals of Eagles and other patriotic symbols, and that are designed specifically for Human Remains containers.

DL Honor Guard in ATL. Fallen soldier coming home.


User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12135 times:

Very classy act, and glad to read that it is a common practice.

User currently offlineFX772LRF From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 675 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12095 times:

I'd be sad to see an American carrier or airport that didn't have this kind of standard. It makes me glad to see that even when transporting home fallen americans, they still get the respect they deserve.

-Noah.   



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12101 times:

A couple blog posts from a pilot with intimate knowledge of this ceremony. It's very interesting to see in person. Everyone near that particular gate crowds the windows to watch.

http://acaptainslog.blogspot.com/2008/07/fallen-soldier_04.html

http://acaptainslog.blogspot.com/200.../fallen-soldier-rest-of-story.html


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12033 times:

In my couple years as a DL ramp agent I saw only 2 or 3 soldiers come home on our jets, but it was always a huge deal, and very somber. Everything on the ramp stopped until the hearse departed. I remember once a marine came home on a Continental flight and just about half the airport went over to their gate to pay their respect, including other ramp agents, police, firemen, and even the car rental van drivers. It's incredibly humbling.


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User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 2021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12037 times:

I was on board a flight to ATL that must have had a ceremony at the gate. It was announced that the plane was carrying a fallen soldier, and we were to stay seated on the aircraft until instructed. It was dark, and I was in the back of a 747, so I couldn't see anything, mind you. But I assume in the 5 minutes or so they had something honorable as the casket was removed from the aircraft. Very respectful procedure by the people involved.

User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11995 times:

I have seen this twice in the past year on DL flights; once in SDF and again in JAX....was very moving and appropriate. What impressed me most was that the pax (both totally full flights and an act unsolicited by the crew), waited in the gate, standing, while the Honor Guard escorted the casket off the aircraft.

User currently offlinelucky777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11969 times:

Here's the Miami video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZafRos5gKs&feature=related


User currently offlinelnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1608 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11919 times:

Not only should respect be given to fallen hero's, but also the the ones who are left behind who have 'done their time'.

When I was in ATL with a cousin of mine last year, I saw a presumably returning solider sitting by himself, playing on his iPod.

When I went to walk past him, I said "excuse me.. I'm not American, but I'd like to thank you for serving and protecting all of us, including us Canadians.." . He was very kind and thanked me, and made mention that he thought it was a little disheartening that out of the hundreds of people walking past him, it took someone from another country to stop and say thanks yet none of his fellow countrymen had bothered to stop.

I try to say thank you to anyone in uniform - it may be 'their duty', but they certainly have much more honor than I do, not being in the military at all.

Kudo's for DL giving the respect this Hero deserved.

1011yyz



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User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11814 times:

Quoting lnglive1011yyz (Reply 14):
When I went to walk past him, I said "excuse me.. I'm not American, but I'd like to thank you for serving and protecting all of us, including us Canadians.." . He was very kind and thanked me, and made mention that he thought it was a little disheartening that out of the hundreds of people walking past him, it took someone from another country to stop and say thanks yet none of his fellow countrymen had bothered to stop.

I try to say thank you to anyone in uniform - it may be 'their duty', but they certainly have much more honor than I do, not being in the military at all.

Kudo's for DL giving the respect this Hero deserved.

Thumbs up to you for showing that appreciation. I've often seen soldiers in the airport, and I've wanted to say thank you, but there's something strange and uncomfortable about doing that, so I've declined. I have however, been on several flights where there have been soldiers in uniform, and every time the FAs have announced their presence and almost the entire plane applauds.


User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6924 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11790 times:

On a related note, thoguht I'd post this as it's a great story and wonderful song and tribute to the "Angel Flight."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgkxiqKj0nU


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11683 times:

Quoting MNMncrcnwjr (Thread starter):
Is this the norm per DL operating procedure? Do other Airlines conduct fallen Hero transfers with similar show of respect.
Quoting DLATLOpsSup (Reply 6):
We actually have an entire "Honor Gaurd" that does this for every possible arrival that they can. They have special carts that have "cart" size decals of Eagles and other patriotic symbols, and that are designed specifically for Human Remains containers.

There was an article in the AJC several months back about this.

http://www.ajc.com/business/delta-group-honors-veterans-287912.html

This is definitely something that I think all of the airlines should have at their major bases and perhaps at smaller outstations, they could either have the members of the local VFW or American Legion or National Guard do the honors. The remains of any military veteran deserve such honors.


User currently offlineaogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11611 times:

Absolutely wonderful to see this display of respect.

I've been privileged enough to view these arrival ceremonies when the fallen soldier's families are present. It's absolutely gut wrenching because at my airport, the families were escorted onto the ramp, and this was the very first time that they were seeing their loved one coming home. Incredibly moving, I cannot imagine the strength that it must require to go through that.

While most folks would do their resolute best to show their respect, I encountered a pilot one evening who actually taxied and turned his twin engine turbo prop a mere 25-30' away from the families, which absolutely blasted everyone. When I confronted him, he insisted that his boss told him that he HAD to move his plane so that it could be loaded.


User currently offlineMacsog6 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11583 times:
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I am very gratified to see the respect that is being shown here and at other airports. In 1972, I was the escort officer for a dear friend's remains who had been killed when his OH-6 was shot down in RVN. When I went to Oakland Army Terminal to pick up the casket, it was explained to me that I should expect the reception to be of a different nature than these people are showing. When we got to SFO, the carrier involved, AA, went out of their way to ensure that he was treated with great respect, but I was told that if I went into the terminal, the public might say some things that were less respectful. AA escorted me everywhere, but even so I can still recall when we finally went inside the unkind things that were said by the public and the treatment I received. One has to travel in uniform and, at a snack bar in SFO early that morning, I was refused service soley because I was a soldier. The AA employee escorting me had to go to another snack bar and buy coffeewithout my being around. All later transfers were made after everyone was off the aircraft and we were largely out of sight of everyone, even at Dallas.

This is not to bash SFO, indeed I now live there a good bit of the time, but I am so grateful that we can now make the distinction between our government's policy with which we may not agree and those who go in harm's way - and die - trying to carry that policy out. And I will always be grateful to AA for the respect that they showed to him and the treatment they afforded me.

Well done DL. De Oppresso Liber.



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3707 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11522 times:
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I have been the loadmaster for more of these flights than I care to remember. There is an eerie feeling looking at the main deck of an MD-11 and the only cargo is fallen warriors. The dignified transfer service that occurs in DOV is one of the most solemn and amazing traditions to witness. I can't even begin to describe what that feels like, and honestly I hope that none of you ever have to be a part of it. It's good to see that DL is taking care of these guys. What you saw was most likely a retired soldier. All soldiers nowadays are flown to DOV, and from there are flown on a Kalitta Charters Learjet to the town nearest to where they will be buried. This happened a few years ago when members of Congress decided that our fallen heroes should't be treated like baggage, which I completely agree with. I do know that rampers for the airlines always showed the utmost respect for the troops that were in their baggage holds, but there's no winning with Congress.


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User currently offlineaogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11471 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 20):
All soldiers nowadays are flown to DOV, and from there are flown on a Kalitta Charters Learjet to the town nearest to where they will be buried.

Unfortunately, the incident(s) that I witnessed were prior to the "upgrade". They were all young soldiers returning home from Iraq, a few parents looked to be pretty much the same age as I. These parents stood there as their kids were offloaded from the belly of a US Airways flight. Nice way to welcome them home.

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 20):
I can't even begin to describe what that feels like, and honestly I hope that none of you ever have to be a part of it.

I can't imagine, and I can assure you that you're right.


User currently offlineMacsog6 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11295 times:
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Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 20):
All soldiers nowadays are flown to DOV, and from there are flown on a Kalitta Charters Learjet to the town nearest to where they will be buried. This happened a few years ago when members of Congress decided that our fallen heroes should't be treated like baggage

Very grateful to hear this news.



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User currently offlineRDUOODL From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11229 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 20):
What you saw was most likely a retired soldier. All soldiers nowadays are flown to DOV, and from there are flown on a Kalitta Charters Learjet to the town nearest to where they will be buried.

Often, fallen heros that are transported on commercial aircraft have been involved in non-combat operations here in the US. Training accidents and medical issues while on-base and other circumstances such as vehicle collisions off-base are most often to blame. They are no less of heros whether it happens here or over there. The families are flown to their loved one's post and will accompany the honor gaurd to bring them home. In RDU, we see fallen soldiers returning home every other week because of the large number of military bases in eastern NC.



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User currently offlinemovingtin From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11094 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 20):
All soldiers nowadays are flown to DOV, and from there are flown on a Kalitta Charters Learjet to the town nearest to where they will be buried. This happened a few years ago when members of Congress decided that our fallen heroes should't be treated like baggage, which I completely agree with.

I have to respectfully disagree that private transfer is better! It should be painful for the passengers and ramp personnel to witness the coming home of a hero who gave all for his country! these hero's weren't treated as baggage, just as DL showed here, they are treated with ultimate respect. It gives the public an opportunity to give their respect and it constantly reminds us that freedom isn't free!!


25 JetBlueGuy2006 : This actually happened today at LAN. a 24 year old was killed in Afghanistan a week or so ago. There were hundreds of people that lined the route to
26 tb727 : He was brought home on a Kalitta Falcon. Every Fallen Hero I brought home to Michigan hit even closer to home for me. From San Juan to Fairbanks, I w
27 N6238P : At ORD this summer I've seen American do this. Firetrucks and Police escorted the Super 80 all the way to the gate and there was a small ceremony.
28 PHLJJS : My office is notified via email a few days prior, when a fallen soldier is flown home via commercial airline out of PHL. We work with the airline to e
29 Maverick623 : I also have been a part of several escorts, and one of the things that always stands out: Most people don't know just what that means. There's no bang
30 Post contains links and images Klima : This thread reminded me of this picture I saw a few years ago http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1882380_1851597,00.html
31 Post contains links MattRB : Here's a reprint of an article that originally appeared in our employee newsletter that details a little of what we do when receive a fallen soldier:
32 dispatchguy : A very class act DL; makes me proud to have had the widget on my airline ID...
33 SkyTeamTriStar : Not true in this case according to Steve Dickson's Weekly Flight Operations Update, Steve makes mention to this very flight. Pax's remained seated wh
34 alphaomega : This won a Pulitzer Prize a few years back and there is actually an entire story done by a newspaper and other very moving photographs, but this was
35 SANMAN66 : That video was so beautiful. It brought tears to my eyes. It's even more special to me. I am a combat veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom and it could
36 KCmike : My father was killed May 18 2010 in Kabul. With him perished 4 other American Soldiers and 1 Canadian officer who were in the same vehicle. It is a v
37 mayor : Ever heard of "respect for the dead"? That's what this is all about, not "admiration for the dead". And, in truth, even before this program started,
38 nw1852 : If anyone has the time, watch 'Taking Chance' an HBO movie with Kevin Bacon. It chronicals an escort from Dover (I think) to Wyoming. Great movie that
39 Post contains images mayor : I think I'll do that:
40 Post contains links TheCol : I'd thought I'd share this with you all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1R8qLAmkLU By taking time out of our day and paying our respects to the falle
41 KC135TopBoom : When I worked at DFW, I had the honor of participating in many of these, honoring our fallen heros. At DFW we extended these honors, not just to the U
42 STT757 : I thought they stopped flying using commercial flights and instead contracted with Kallitta to operate a fleet of Falcon jets for this specific missio
43 Post contains images fxramper : Classy move by DL. I know AA also had/has a similar detail at their hubs for fallen armed forces members returning home.
44 ACABlaker : At Air Canada, we have a dedicated team who prepare the soldier for travel, while others help with the family and military escort. I worked twice with
45 mayor : Great tribute, but I have a problem with the way NBC depicts it. The report makes it seem like Canada is the only one that does anything like this. N
46 T5towbar : I saw the movie some time ago, and it showed the whole process of what the Air Force does with remains of the fallen. It is a very painstaking and ho
47 tb727 : Commercial airlines, although rarer since 2007, are still used.
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