United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2342 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 10880 times:
Quoting FutureFO (Reply 1): UA is one of several carriers completely getting rid of the 744. So I do not believe that there will be any in the new livery.
Eventually, yes...but considering that they just upgraded the interiors of the 747 fleet and the replacement aircraft, the A350, won't start coming online until 2016-2019, I will bet we will see the 747 in the post-merger UA livery...
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5336 posts, RR: 11 Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10417 times:
Quoting FutureFO (Reply 1): UA is one of several carriers completely getting rid of the 744. So I do not believe that there will be any in the new livery.
Don't be so sure.
We're talking about the soon-to-be largest carrier in the world (sorry, DL fanboys). Delta, post merger, originally planned a gradual phaseout of the 757-451's. They have since reversed that decision, and have already started cabin upgrades as a consequence.
I suspect the new UA will make a similar move. The 350s will, in my opinion, suffer further and further delay, just as the 787 and 380 have. Consequently, we'll be seeing a need for large airplanes... a need perfectly met by an aircraft that's already in your fleet.
I ALSO expect that the rebranding will be performed at a breakneck speed, much as Delta did. Breakneck, at least compared to UA's current rebranding; the new UA livery is over 6 years old, yet a sizable portion of the fleet has yet to wear it. Meanwhile, I think they're nearly or completely out of NW painted birds at DL.
Given those two things, it's my opinion that we will certainly see 747-422s and -451's in CO colors with U N I T E D written on the crown.
fun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 839 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10245 times:
Quoting FutureFO (Reply 1): UA is one of several carriers completely getting rid of the 744. So I do not believe that there will be any in the new livery.
That was the old United. We have no idea what the new United will do. Maybe 748i, maybe not A359. Who knows?
One thing we know for sure is...
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 4): Given those two things, it's my opinion that we will certainly see 747-422s and -451's in CO colors with U N I T E D written on the crown.
kstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 732 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10058 times:
As much as think a change to the CO-ish livery stinks, I think a UA plane with the new font and globe will look pretty legit...
USAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2681 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9899 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 4): Consequently, we'll be seeing a need for large airplanes... a need perfectly met by an aircraft that's already in your fleet.
And remember, UA just took some 744s out of the desert.
VC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2423 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9641 times:
While old, the UA 747 is loved by many pax! Especially the C pax on the top deck anf First class in the nose!
Plus they are a part of UA's identity. With CO's love of Boeing, and if they perform well for LH... Corporations change like the wind. A UA748: far fetched, but wasn't LH a shocker too?
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United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5337 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9302 times:
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7): And remember, UA just took some 744s out of the desert.
They did take one out of the desert but AFAIK that was just for the summer peak season.
Quoting FutureFO (Reply 1): UA is one of several carriers completely getting rid of the 744. So I do not believe that there will be any in the new livery.
Even if UA goes ahead with its plans to start phasing out the 744 in 2016 more then likely they will be repainted simply for branding purposes.
DC8FanJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 380 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8896 times:
Quoting FutureFO (Reply 1): UA is one of several carriers completely getting rid of the 744. So I do not believe that there will be any in the new livery.
Not anytime soon. At least 5 years before the first of the existing fleet is retired. I'm quite certain you will see all of the
currently flying UA 744's repainted.
Navigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1031 posts, RR: 16 Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8822 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 4): The 350s will, in my opinion, suffer further and further delay, just as the 787 and 380 have.
Don´t you think Airbus has learned anything from it´s own experiences with the A380 and Boeings problems with the 787? I would very much like to hear your motivation here since I doubt you are right in your prediction
lucky777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 460 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8346 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 4): Given those two things, it's my opinion that we will certainly see 747-422s and -451's in CO colors with U N I T E D written on the crown.
FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1965 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8045 times:
Quoting lucky777 (Reply 13): What's the difference between a -422 and a -451?
-422 is a 744 ordered by United Airlines
-451 is a 744 ordered by Northwest Airlines
United took two 744s ordered by Northwest, which the latter did not take delivery of. One of these remains in service with UA today.
On a side note, with the merged UA/CO taking aspects of each company, I wonder if they'll continue with the CO Boeing customer code (24) or the UA Boeing customer code (22)? Logic says 22 as they airline will still be known as United, but then again it'll still be taking delivery of 737s ordered by CO after the merger (so I'd be surprised to see a 737-822 suddenly apppear).
YULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 6 Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8043 times:
Quoting VC10er (Reply 8): A UA748: far fetched, but wasn't LH a shocker too?
Not so much a "shocker", although this came after LH already had the A380 on order. European airlines do commit to airplanes that are larger in size than the 777-200, something we have yet to see in the US since last time 744s have been introduced (which is a while, 1998-ish if i'm correct). For the A350 order from UA, well, these will be larger than a 772 but are still paper planes and aren't about to be delivered, really not.
Quoting lucky777 (Reply 13): What's the difference between a -422 and a -451?
the -422 have been built for UA, the -451s have been built for NW. Did UA get some second-hand frames from NW at some point, or are the -451s just a reference to DL's fleet?
dl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7698 times:
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5336 posts, RR: 11 Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5390 times:
Quoting Navigator (Reply 12): Don´t you think Airbus has learned anything from it´s own experiences with the A380 and Boeings problems with the 787? I would very much like to hear your motivation here since I doubt you are right in your prediction
This is off topic. Suffice it to say that NO, I do NOT think that either manufacturer can avoid this phenomenon. Notice the 747-8 delivery slipping. And you conveniently ignore the fact that the A350 should already be flying, except for a 'schedule rework' following Airbus's discovery that they were building an airplane carriers didn't really want. Thus the XWB, whose timeline is STILL being pushed around at the whim of Airbus.
Quoting lucky777 (Reply 13): What's the difference between a -422 and a -451?
I was going to answer this, but Caledonian beat me to it.
Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 15): so I'd be surprised to see a 737-822 suddenly apppear
I agree with your thinking here. Currently ordered aircraft will be delivered as ordered, and SO WILL follow on orders and conversions of options into firm orders. Thus, we could see 737-824s being delivered five years from now.
JBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2278 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 3821 times:
Quoting lucky777 (Reply 19): So it's just to notate 2 different carriers ordering the same aircraft, not one having a different set of engines, right?
Yes, every Boeing customer has a unique alphanumeric customer code that comprises the last two digits of the model designation, and does not change if the aircraft changes owners.
I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
DC8FanJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 380 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3427 times:
Quoting dl767captain (Reply 17): I wouldn't be so sure, with CO being the management in the merger a lot could change
Inaccurate. Management of the new United will be a mixed group from both carriers. CEO from CO/COO from UA, etc.
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5337 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2892 times:
Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 22): Quoting DC8FanJet (Reply 21):
Inaccurate. Management of the new United will be a mixed group from both carriers.
Reading between the lines I'd say it's pretty clear CO will be steering the ship.
this has been discussed quite a bit at length...its a mix of UA and CO management that will be running the airline. The CEO is ex CO the COO is ex UA....its a mix.
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25 VC10er: I get the 2 different rivalries beteen 2 airlines, but if this goes thrugh as it seems it will! They will all be UNITED with the mission to be the lar
26 UnitedTristar: No, UA purchased these frames from NW before they were built, unfortunately most of the parts were already ordered so they are not completely "unifor
27 kgaiflyer: CO and UA are meging into a holding company -- not an airline. The holding company will be operating an airline. Mr. Smisek and Mr. Tilden will be ma
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