RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5001 times:
Nice to see PVD will gain 3 flights up from their December schedule. (9th BWI 5th MCO and 2nd FLL) Hope BNA comes back in the spring.
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n7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1505 posts, RR: 12 Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4912 times:
Nice to see GEG get the third nonstop flights back to PDX & SEA. I wondered if the reduction in Jan down to 2 was just for that month. January is notoriously the worst month at GEG for passenger #'s.
SuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 565 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4673 times:
Now we know what funded Seattle-St. Louis' reinstatement (which was quietly re-added after Alaska added it). I wonder if Alaska will now jump on the Kansas City route?
n7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1505 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4267 times:
Quoting SuperDash (Reply 3): I wonder if Alaska will now jump on the Kansas City route?
Doubt it, if WN will be back on it in the summer. WN's move leaves the nonstop all alone to Frontier. Then again, if AS can rummage together a 738 for one daily, they just might!
atrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5623 posts, RR: 54 Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4000 times:
Quoting SuperDash (Reply 3):
Now we know what funded Seattle-St. Louis' reinstatement (which was quietly re-added after Alaska added it). I wonder if Alaska will now jump on the Kansas City route?
Not sure what you mean? If you're saying this is where the plane is coming from, not so.
WN's STL-SEA returns in November, WN's MCI-SEA ends in January of 2011. There is a gap there, MCI-SEA has always been seasonal too, so I don't think this adds on to STL-SEA addition.
Unless I am confused by your statement about what is "funding STL-SEA".
Alex
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n471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1196 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3926 times:
I too am surprised at how conservative SWA is being with flights---for all these years they maintained that they were not taking passengers from other carriers but rather taking passengers out of automobiles who would not otherwise fly. Seems they are putting people back into automobiles these days with ever more full and costly flights---they are behaving like American Airlines when it comes to capacity constraints and in the process are losing their momentum in my humble opinion. Seems that Virgin America and others will seize this opportunity to make inroads and well they should.
wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5566 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3847 times:
Quoting SuperDash (Reply 3): Now we know what funded Seattle-St. Louis' reinstatement (which was quietly re-added after Alaska added it). I wonder if Alaska will now jump on the Kansas City route?
Quoting n7371f (Reply 4): Doubt it, if WN will be back on it in the summer. WN's move leaves the nonstop all alone to Frontier. Then again, if AS can rummage together a 738 for one daily, they just might!
Remember, the AS SEA-STL flight will pretty much serve as the Boeing Shuttle for the Military side of Boeing...more so than WN. However, there will be enough pax to go around for both airlines.
WN can use STL as another connection complex for east-west travel.
AS will benefit from the Boeing business travel as well as connections from other regional destinations and Alaska.
The passenger traffic to MCI is a bit different than those to STL. MCI may or may not be on Alaska's shortlist of future destinations, but you can never say never. BLI-HNL? Who would have thunk it.
BTW, a 738 is not necessarily required for this route...and for STL for that matter. They could use a 73G or 734 on either of the routes.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21289 posts, RR: 19 Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3715 times:
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 9): Remember, the AS SEA-STL flight will pretty much serve as the Boeing Shuttle for the Military side of Boeing...more so than WN. However, there will be enough pax to go around for both airlines.
How many daily Boeing passengers fly STLSEA?
On a somewhat related note, it appears that WN may finally be doing something about the overcrowding at STL - I'm glad to see them cutting some 'hub' flights.
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wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5566 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3367 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10): How many daily Boeing passengers fly STLSEA?
More than you probably think. With the Tanker picking up on the anticipation of winning the contract and other programs growing as well, that adds to the traffic. Additionally, the BDS headquarters are located at STL as well as the BDS leadership center. There's plenty of Boeing traffic between Seattle and St. Louis.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21289 posts, RR: 19 Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3203 times:
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 11): With the Tanker picking up on the anticipation of winning the contract and other programs growing as well, that adds to the traffic. Additionally, the BDS headquarters are located at STL as well as the BDS leadership center.
I'm intimately familiar with Boeing's/BDS' operations in Saint Louis, but isn't Seattle mostly BCA? I saw Boeing people on ORDSTL all the time, but that made more sense.
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ATAIndy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 579 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2780 times:
I see WN is cutting a IND-LAS frequency. This will leave IND-LAS with only two flights a day. Its crazy to think not that long ago we had 3 airlines on this very route. FL should jump on this.
wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5566 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2688 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12): I'm intimately familiar with Boeing's/BDS' operations in Saint Louis, but isn't Seattle mostly BCA? I saw Boeing people on ORDSTL all the time, but that made more sense.
Yes...BCA is the majority out here. But BDS has a lot of programs based out of here. Many of the managers travel back and forth between Seattle and St. Louis.
N200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 783 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2609 times:
I may have missed it as I was on vacation - but I have not seen any discussion of the other new routes announced effective Nov. 7th: AUS-SJC double daily, FLL-PHX once daily, and BWI-LAX not seasonally dropped as planned - extended thru the open schedule.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4746 posts, RR: 15 Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2431 times:
Quoting N200WN (Reply 15): I may have missed it as I was on vacation - but I have not seen any discussion of the other new routes announced effective Nov. 7th: AUS-SJC double daily, FLL-PHX once daily, and BWI-LAX not seasonally dropped as planned - extended thru the open schedule.
Hey R, how ya' doin'? Hope all is well with you.
Yes, there was a thread on all those additional ('tween-sked) adjustments maybe a month or so ago? (If you have the patience and time, feel free to search for it! )
It must be assumed that WN has been seeing their system-wide LFs increasing nicely over the last year or 2; I know in SAN all the LFs have been steadily climbing as flight frequencies have been reduced. Kind of a win-win for WN. It's kind of a no-brainer in the high-frequency markets where WN cuts a couple of flights but still offers tons of seats every day with more people on every plane; the removed planes then get moved to new markets.
It appears that WN in SEA is definitely more seasonal than ever and the airline is still trying to figure out the extent of it. They are aware of what AS and F9 are doing with SEA these days and remember, that is an expensive airport as far as WN is concerned, and that may factor in to what stays and what doesn't.
John From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 6 Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1948 times:
I wish WN would consider expanding their PBI operation. I know a PBI-PVD would do very well in season and would supplement or perhaps they could share a daily frequency with the FLL market. And they definitely need to addd a non-stop PBI-MDW.
B752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1932 times:
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 1): Nice to see PVD will gain 3 flights up from their December schedule. (9th BWI 5th MCO and 2nd FLL) Hope BNA comes back in the spring.
GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2756 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1398 times:
Quoting n471wn (Reply 8): I too am surprised at how conservative SWA is being with flights---for all these years they maintained that they were not taking passengers from other carriers but rather taking passengers out of automobiles who would not otherwise fly. Seems they are putting people back into automobiles these days with ever more full and costly flights---they are behaving like American Airlines when it comes to capacity constraints and in the process are losing their momentum in my humble opinion. Seems that Virgin America and others will seize this opportunity to make inroads and well they should.
I agree with you in concept. It seems WN is slowly eliminating things that made Southwest such a popular and fast-growing airline in the first place. However, as a future beneficiary of WN's recent conservatism with frequencies, etc (so they can add cities without taking delivery of new a/c) I can't complain TOO much...
I just hate that the previously-announced GSP & CHS service wasn't part of this new schedule....
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4746 posts, RR: 15 Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1315 times:
Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 20): I just hate that the previously-announced GSP & CHS service wasn't part of this new schedule....
Do you really expect WN would have opened new stations in January or February? That would have surprised me a lot.
I would expect you will be seeing Canyon Blue sometime in March or April (at least no later than May.) Hang in there!
GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2756 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1290 times:
Quoting SANFan (Reply 21): I would expect you will be seeing Canyon Blue sometime in March or April (at least no later than May.) Hang in there!
Nah, not Jan or Feb, but was hoping by the end of the current schedule. So, maybe when the NEXT schedule release occurs, eh? Maybe sometime in Oct?
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However, as a future beneficiary of WN's recent conservatism with frequencies, etc (so they can add cities without taking delivery of new a/c) I can't complain TOO much... 
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