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SWA Extends Schedule--Flight Changes  
User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5700 posts, RR: 52
Posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5619 times:

http://blogsouthwest.com/blog/jump-i...ryfebruary-schedules-now-available

Dropped Route
MCI-SEA

New Route
BNA-RSW

Everything else is flight adjustments/Seasonal Returns-Drops for Winter/Spring

http://blogsouthwest.com/files/Jan%2...eb%202011%20changes%20to%20Nov.pdf
Flight Chart

[Edited 2010-08-17 08:17:21]


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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4707 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5572 times:

Nice to see PVD will gain 3 flights up from their December schedule. (9th BWI 5th MCO and 2nd FLL) Hope BNA comes back in the spring.


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User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1749 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5483 times:

Nice to see GEG get the third nonstop flights back to PDX & SEA. I wondered if the reduction in Jan down to 2 was just for that month. January is notoriously the worst month at GEG for passenger #'s.

User currently offlineSuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5244 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Thread starter):
Dropped Route
MCI-SEA

Now we know what funded Seattle-St. Louis' reinstatement (which was quietly re-added after Alaska added it). I wonder if Alaska will now jump on the Kansas City route?


User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1749 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4838 times:

Quoting SuperDash (Reply 3):
I wonder if Alaska will now jump on the Kansas City route?

Doubt it, if WN will be back on it in the summer. WN's move leaves the nonstop all alone to Frontier. Then again, if AS can rummage together a 738 for one daily, they just might!


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6808 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4702 times:

Quoting SuperDash (Reply 3):
I wonder if Alaska will now jump on the Kansas City route?

The blog post hints that MCI-SEA will probably return on WN in the summer; one wonders if this is a message to AS route planning/marketing.


User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5700 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4571 times:

Quoting SuperDash (Reply 3):

Now we know what funded Seattle-St. Louis' reinstatement (which was quietly re-added after Alaska added it). I wonder if Alaska will now jump on the Kansas City route?

Not sure what you mean? If you're saying this is where the plane is coming from, not so.

WN's STL-SEA returns in November, WN's MCI-SEA ends in January of 2011. There is a gap there, MCI-SEA has always been seasonal too, so I don't think this adds on to STL-SEA addition.

Unless I am confused by your statement about what is "funding STL-SEA".

Alex



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User currently offlinepitops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4531 times:

I still can't believe that with the load factor that we have at CMH, that they are still cutting flights.


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User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1583 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4497 times:
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I too am surprised at how conservative SWA is being with flights---for all these years they maintained that they were not taking passengers from other carriers but rather taking passengers out of automobiles who would not otherwise fly. Seems they are putting people back into automobiles these days with ever more full and costly flights---they are behaving like American Airlines when it comes to capacity constraints and in the process are losing their momentum in my humble opinion. Seems that Virgin America and others will seize this opportunity to make inroads and well they should.

User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5947 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4418 times:
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Quoting SuperDash (Reply 3):
Now we know what funded Seattle-St. Louis' reinstatement (which was quietly re-added after Alaska added it). I wonder if Alaska will now jump on the Kansas City route?
Quoting n7371f (Reply 4):
Doubt it, if WN will be back on it in the summer. WN's move leaves the nonstop all alone to Frontier. Then again, if AS can rummage together a 738 for one daily, they just might!

Remember, the AS SEA-STL flight will pretty much serve as the Boeing Shuttle for the Military side of Boeing...more so than WN. However, there will be enough pax to go around for both airlines.

WN can use STL as another connection complex for east-west travel.

AS will benefit from the Boeing business travel as well as connections from other regional destinations and Alaska.

The passenger traffic to MCI is a bit different than those to STL. MCI may or may not be on Alaska's shortlist of future destinations, but you can never say never. BLI-HNL? Who would have thunk it.

BTW, a 738 is not necessarily required for this route...and for STL for that matter. They could use a 73G or 734 on either of the routes.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23217 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4286 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 9):
Remember, the AS SEA-STL flight will pretty much serve as the Boeing Shuttle for the Military side of Boeing...more so than WN. However, there will be enough pax to go around for both airlines.

How many daily Boeing passengers fly STLSEA?

On a somewhat related note, it appears that WN may finally be doing something about the overcrowding at STL - I'm glad to see them cutting some 'hub' flights.



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5947 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3938 times:
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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10):
How many daily Boeing passengers fly STLSEA?

More than you probably think. With the Tanker picking up on the anticipation of winning the contract and other programs growing as well, that adds to the traffic. Additionally, the BDS headquarters are located at STL as well as the BDS leadership center. There's plenty of Boeing traffic between Seattle and St. Louis.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23217 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3774 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 11):
With the Tanker picking up on the anticipation of winning the contract and other programs growing as well, that adds to the traffic. Additionally, the BDS headquarters are located at STL as well as the BDS leadership center.

I'm intimately familiar with Boeing's/BDS' operations in Saint Louis, but isn't Seattle mostly BCA? I saw Boeing people on ORDSTL all the time, but that made more sense.



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User currently offlineATAIndy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

I see WN is cutting a IND-LAS frequency. This will leave IND-LAS with only two flights a day. Its crazy to think not that long ago we had 3 airlines on this very route. FL should jump on this.


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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5947 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3259 times:
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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):
I'm intimately familiar with Boeing's/BDS' operations in Saint Louis, but isn't Seattle mostly BCA? I saw Boeing people on ORDSTL all the time, but that made more sense.

Yes...BCA is the majority out here. But BDS has a lot of programs based out of here. Many of the managers travel back and forth between Seattle and St. Louis.


User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3180 times:

I may have missed it as I was on vacation - but I have not seen any discussion of the other new routes announced effective Nov. 7th: AUS-SJC double daily, FLL-PHX once daily, and BWI-LAX not seasonally dropped as planned - extended thru the open schedule.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5554 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

Quoting N200WN (Reply 15):
I may have missed it as I was on vacation - but I have not seen any discussion of the other new routes announced effective Nov. 7th: AUS-SJC double daily, FLL-PHX once daily, and BWI-LAX not seasonally dropped as planned - extended thru the open schedule.


Hey R, how ya' doin'? Hope all is well with you.

Yes, there was a thread on all those additional ('tween-sked) adjustments maybe a month or so ago? (If you have the patience and time, feel free to search for it!   )

It must be assumed that WN has been seeing their system-wide LFs increasing nicely over the last year or 2; I know in SAN all the LFs have been steadily climbing as flight frequencies have been reduced. Kind of a win-win for WN. It's kind of a no-brainer in the high-frequency markets where WN cuts a couple of flights but still offers tons of seats every day with more people on every plane; the removed planes then get moved to new markets.

It appears that WN in SEA is definitely more seasonal than ever and the airline is still trying to figure out the extent of it. They are aware of what AS and F9 are doing with SEA these days and remember, that is an expensive airport as far as WN is concerned, and that may factor in to what stays and what doesn't.

bb


User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2519 times:

I wish WN would consider expanding their PBI operation. I know a PBI-PVD would do very well in season and would supplement or perhaps they could share a daily frequency with the FLL market. And they definitely need to addd a non-stop PBI-MDW.

User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 1):
Nice to see PVD will gain 3 flights up from their December schedule. (9th BWI 5th MCO and 2nd FLL) Hope BNA comes back in the spring.

BOS-BNA would a nice addition too.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4707 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

Quoting B752OS (Reply 18):
BOS-BNA would a nice addition too.

I think that is coming, though I really dont want to see it added until PVD's is back year round.



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3098 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 8):
I too am surprised at how conservative SWA is being with flights---for all these years they maintained that they were not taking passengers from other carriers but rather taking passengers out of automobiles who would not otherwise fly. Seems they are putting people back into automobiles these days with ever more full and costly flights---they are behaving like American Airlines when it comes to capacity constraints and in the process are losing their momentum in my humble opinion. Seems that Virgin America and others will seize this opportunity to make inroads and well they should.

I agree with you in concept. It seems WN is slowly eliminating things that made Southwest such a popular and fast-growing airline in the first place.   However, as a future beneficiary of WN's recent conservatism with frequencies, etc (so they can add cities without taking delivery of new a/c) I can't complain TOO much...  

I just hate that the previously-announced GSP & CHS service wasn't part of this new schedule....

[Edited 2010-08-18 11:58:06]


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5554 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 20):
I just hate that the previously-announced GSP & CHS service wasn't part of this new schedule....

Do you really expect WN would have opened new stations in January or February? That would have surprised me a lot.

I would expect you will be seeing Canyon Blue sometime in March or April (at least no later than May.) Hang in there!

bb


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3098 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 21):
I would expect you will be seeing Canyon Blue sometime in March or April (at least no later than May.) Hang in there!

Nah, not Jan or Feb, but was hoping by the end of the current schedule. So, maybe when the NEXT schedule release occurs, eh? Maybe sometime in Oct?



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