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AA Introduces Express Seating, For Yet Another Fee  
User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2671 posts, RR: 9
Posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10771 times:

http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/18/news.../index.htm?source=cnn_bin&hpt=Sbin

This one doesn't irritate me like a checked bag fee, because I don't like sitting up front anyhow.

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User currently offlinemcmax From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10689 times:

I don't know why the press is jumping all over this and trying to portray American Airlines as nickel-and-diming passengers again. First, several other U.S. airlines, including Continental and USAirways already do this. Second, these passengers would never have been eligible to get these front-of-cabin seats anyways. Those seats are typically pre-booked by elites, or are reserved for disabled or special needs individuals. Basically, regular passengers are now getting access to these seats to which they never really had before.


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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8238 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10627 times:

Save for tail engined aircraft like the MD80/DC9/etc, what exactly is the value added for sitting closer to the front? I don't get it. An aisle or window I get, but closer to the front, I don't see the benefit. You'd have to be a chump to pay that fee. My absolute favorite place to seat in a plane is over the wing so I guess I'll be safe from this fee  

User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10595 times:

For many, with just carry on luggage, it will save time deplaning. I hope airlines continue to find creative ways to generate additional revenues.

Window and aisle seats could be sold at premium. IIRC, one airline is already offering that.

Possible suggestions:
How about an empty seat next to you if the flight is not full. One authorizes the fee in advance, and is charged only if you end up with an empty seat next to you.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10561 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 2):
what exactly is the value added for sitting closer to the front?

I don't think that there is any other than just deplaning quicker. And looking at the pricing, the cost looks comparable to United's Economy Plus, but AA won't be offering the extra room. So for me, I see absolutely no benefit in this and would just as soon take United and buy a few more inches of legroom.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3723 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10503 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3):
For many, with just carry on luggage, it will save time deplaning. I hope airlines continue to find creative ways to generate additional revenues.

Window and aisle seats could be sold at premium. IIRC, one airline is already offering that.

Spirit Airlines has charged extra for window and aisle seats for some time now.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32624 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10471 times:

Nothing new. Other airlines have been doing this for ages. AA is pretty late to the game with this.


a.
User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10457 times:

Sit closer to the front of the plane with NO EXTRA LEGROOM? What's the point? What are they smoking down in DFW?


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User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1460 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10442 times:

How does this impact their frequent flyers? Seems like at best, they'll be fewer "premium" seats for the elites to chose from...


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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5076 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10308 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3):
Possible suggestions:
How about an empty seat next to you if the flight is not full. One authorizes the fee in advance, and is charged only if you end up with an empty seat next to you.

= Already been done by Vueling thanks to their brilliant consultants ...

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlinemastermis From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2008, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10298 times:

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 8):
How does this impact their frequent flyers? Seems like at best, they'll be fewer "premium" seats for the elites to chose from...

I am also wondering that. I hope that AA does not let them "buy" the exit row. I love 14A & 14F on the 737's ; 99% of the time when I book a ticket at least one if not both of these are available.

M.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7513 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10254 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 7):
Sit closer to the front of the plane with NO EXTRA LEGROOM? What's the point? What are they smoking down in DFW?

See below:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):


Nothing new. Other airlines have been doing this for ages. AA is pretty late to the game with this.

I dont understand what people are up in arms about. This is nothing CO and UA havent been doing.



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2692 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10209 times:

You are essentially buying about 1-2 minutes of time...that is about how much quicker you will get off the plane...stupid if you ask me...if you can afford to throw money down the toliet, why not just pay for F...

E+ on United actually has a value worth paying for...not a fee but a minor upgrade at a minor cost...


User currently offlinesimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 911 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10156 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 12):
You are essentially buying about 1-2 minutes of time...that is about how much quicker you will get off the plane...stupid if you ask me...if you can afford to throw money down the toliet, why not just pay for F...

By boarding with Group 1, you also ensure that your carry-on will not have to be gate-checked, which could easily save an extra 10-15 minutes.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8238 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10156 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 11):
I dont understand what people are up in arms about. This is nothing CO and UA havent been doing.

No it's not. I don't know about CO, but with UA you're buying extra leg room, which I always do if available. I won't pay an extra cent to sit closer to the front whithout extra leg room however.


User currently offlinemtaabq From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10029 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 12):
E+ on United actually has a value worth paying for...not a fee but a minor upgrade at a minor cost...

I agree. Paying the somewhat nominal upgrade fee to sit in E+ made my DEN-MKE & return flights on UAX CJ700 almost bearable. But to pay extra just to sit up front without the benefit of additional legroom? That's just crazy talk!

Funny thing is, this is not the last of the fees. And I love how the AA mouthpieces spin it:

"This is another great product under the Your Choice program that puts more travel choices in the customer's hands," he said.

Airlinespeak to English translation: "We found another fee to charge but to hear us tell it, it is because YOU begged us to find more ways to charge you more money!"

(I realize, of course, it is an optional fee.)

How did it go on MAD TV? "Oxygen masks are still provided free of charge. Oxygen, however, will cost $7.95 per minute and exact change is appreciated." (I'm paraphrasing here.) Could it be that far off. . .???

LOL, excuse my sarcasm. It's a slow day at work.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32624 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9966 times:

Quoting mtaabq (Reply 15):
Funny thing is, this is not the last of the fees. And I love how the AA mouthpieces spin it:

"This is another great product under the Your Choice program that puts more travel choices in the customer's hands," he said.

Airlinespeak to English translation: "We found another fee to charge but to hear us tell it, it is because YOU begged us to find more ways to charge you more money!"

There is no spin! Previously, these seats were not even available for choice check-in by non-elite fliers. Now you can pay to sit in seats that you otherwise could not select unless gate-assigned. It is offering previously non-available elite benefits ala-carte to non-elite fliers and nothing more.



a.
User currently offlineLimaNiner From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9952 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3):
Possible suggestions:
How about an empty seat next to you if the flight is not full. One authorizes the fee in advance, and is charged only if you end up with an empty seat next to you.

Good luck trying to explain to someone who wants to move into the "free" seat that you've paid for it to not be filled, unless the airline could actually be convinced to install some sort of "placeholder" device (e.g., a child car seat, or something) in paid-to-be-barren seats...


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8761 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9719 times:
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Quoting mastermis (Reply 10):
Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 8):
How does this impact their frequent flyers? Seems like at best, they'll be fewer "premium" seats for the elites to chose from...

I am also wondering that. I hope that AA does not let them "buy" the exit row. I love 14A & 14F on the 737's ; 99% of the time when I book a ticket at least one if not both of these are available.

AA will maintain its "Preferred Seating" policy for AAdvantage/oneworld elites:

Q: "Will Express Seats reduce the number of preferred coach cabin seats that are reserved for AAdvantage elite status and oneworld elite status members?
A: No. Because we know AAdvantage elite status and oneworld elite status members prefer aisle and window seats near the front of the cabin when traveling in Economy Class, we set aside a number of these seats on every flight. These seats are designated as “Preferred Seats” on the AA.com seat map. Express Seats are in addition to the Preferred Seats offered to our elite status members.

http://www.aa.com/i18n/urls/yourChoice_expressSeats.jsp


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9649 times:

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 8):
How does this impact their frequent flyers? Seems like at best, they'll be fewer "premium" seats for the elites to chose from...

And which is a good thing too....more revenue instead of giving them to cadgers wanting freebees.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32624 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9606 times:

Quoting mastermis (Reply 10):
Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 8):
How does this impact their frequent flyers? Seems like at best, they'll be fewer "premium" seats for the elites to chose from...

I am also wondering that. I hope that AA does not let them "buy" the exit row. I love 14A & 14F on the 737's ; 99% of the time when I book a ticket at least one if not both of these are available.

Exit rows cannot be bought and remain an elite-only benefit; albeit exit rows can be gate-assigned to non-elites, which often happens as elites are upgraded.



a.
User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9491 times:

New to AA but already implemented elsewhere...

There are so many fees that I forget what the base fare includes (not even fuel on some European carriers apparently). A middle seat in row 34 or higher, no bags, board in group 19? The advertised price is basically a con, as the final price can be so dramatically different to the price you first agreed to. Bit like buying a car really  


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6539 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9260 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 2):
Save for tail engined aircraft like the MD80/DC9/etc, what exactly is the value added for sitting closer to the front? I don't get it. An aisle or window I get, but closer to the front, I don't see the benefit. You'd have to be a chump to pay that fee. My absolute favorite place to seat in a plane is over the wing so I guess I'll be safe from this fee

I'm a window guy, and I actually look (and film, and take pictures) out the window. Being in front means I don't have the wing to impair the view.



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User currently offlineTigerguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 910 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9218 times:

I'm kinda surprised they didn't come up with it sooner. That said, I don't have a problem with it. It's similar to WN's early bird check-in, which I incidentally purchased for an upcoming flight.


On the occasion of United overtaking Frontier as my most-flown airline, I say...let's get friendly.
User currently offlinethefuture From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9215 times:

Quoting LimaNiner (Reply 17):
Possible suggestions:
How about an empty seat next to you if the flight is not full. One authorizes the fee in advance, and is charged only if you end up with an empty seat next to you.

Good luck trying to explain to someone who wants to move into the "free" seat that you've paid for it to not be filled, unless the airline could actually be convinced to install some sort of "placeholder" device (e.g., a child car seat, or something) in paid-to-be-barren seats...

Really easy.

Airline simply gives you at check in, a large post it type note, to stick onto headrest velcro, saying seat reserved for.

Only problem I can think of with this is travel agent or passengers can make bogus last minute bookings, so flight will almost certainly have empty seats, which defeats the purpose.


25 odysseus9001 : Want an off the cuff reaction from one person who flies a lot? This means either fewer seats for elites to choose from and/or only middle seats for e
26 steeler83 : That's my sentiment as well. Hell, you want to hear something funny? On my return flight from PIT to PHL on a US express E75, I was asked to give up
27 SCL767 : Since I primarily fly long-haul international with AA, this really does not affect me since it applies to domestic flights. Also, AA has upgraded me
28 frmrCapCadet : People are getting the message. If you are only willing to pay their posted price they really don't want you. Never have flown AA, and never will. Oth
29 MAH4546 : Only if the elite is booking his seat at the last minute, since this option is not available until check-in.
30 Post contains images fca767 : SHHHSSSHHH! Don't let 'em know about us liking window seats or the will charge us for daylight
31 Post contains links einsteinboricua : This is nothing new. US has their Choice Seat program, though a bit cheaper than AA. I assume that if your ticket is confirmed and yet you didn't choo
32 ADent : Now you are just being silly. In the US typically airlines don't take cash in the cabin, so instead of exact change it should be Mastercard, Visa, Am
33 Post contains images readytotaxi : I'd certainly pay a fee not to have "the crying baby" sit next to me.
34 jamake1 : AA's way of charging customers to offset its labor cost deficiency: Economy Plus without the Plus...
35 contrails : Yet another revenue enhAAncer from AA. Personally, I don't care because like panam330 I don't sit up front any more. If you're the last to board good
36 SSTsomeday : That's one of the several reasons I like sitting in the back. I get a nice view because I'm well behind the wing. I'm close to the lav. More likeliho
37 Goblin211 : Maybe they'll realize the stupidity behind this and pull it. Then again they probably won't knowing the airlines.
38 Post contains images airbazar : Oh great. So an extra fee to sit closer to the front without extra leg room, and in a middle seat only. That just sounds like a fantastic deal I'm a
39 flybyguy : Here's a really clever way to generate revenue... Raise the damned fares! The U.S. airline industry behaves like a cartel anyway... if they all colle
40 LAXDESI : That affects everyone. I would rather see a fare structure designed to maximize the revenue with a basket of products. There may be some who would gl
41 airbazar : That's fine. I don't think anyone has a problem with that. Just as long as it's included in the fare, and not as an added fee.
42 LAXDESI : I am not sure I understand. By definition, extra for aisle/window/forward section seat will be an added fee. Another possible revenue generator is to
43 airbazar : What's there not to understand? When you buy your ticket on Orbitz for example: The fare for seat 27A (rear) is $380, and the fare for seat 7A (forwa
44 777STL : Where's the stupidity behind this? It's very simple - if you want those seats, you can now pay for them and have them preassigned to you. If you don'
45 Post contains links and images einsteinboricua : Let me direct you to reply 15: And to the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG_2Sg7UgGE Thank you for navigating Airliners.net. Enjoy your video a
46 SSTsomeday : Yeah - I think there is a risk in continuing to remove services to the point where people will avoid traveling if it means they must "suffer" through
47 LAXDESI : I prefer an aisle seat and would pay a modest fee for it, but would gladly endure a middle seat at the rear for a deep discount. I can then turn arou
48 PWMRamper : FAA rules prevent this. One Carry-on and one personal item is the rule, no exceptions.
49 SSTsomeday : On a flight over an hour I would find a middle seat at the back extremely uncomfortable. I'm a "lean on the wall and sleep" kind of guy. But to each
50 LAXDESI : Thanks for the clarification. Does any airline sell standby seats that you purchase in advance?
51 cslusarc : I know that if you redeem for a business class Aeroplan reward on Air Canada you can standby for an earlier flight.
52 ptugarin : This makes AA loyalty less valuable, as frequent fliers will have less chance of getting a premium seat. I assume, paying customers will get the prio
53 sasd209 : Probably nothing....Would you like a seat on a plane taking you from point A to point B, just as you booked it? NO PROBLEM, fly AA and they will do t
54 ha763 : It doesn't change anything for the AA elite. They already have the ability to reserve preferred seats at the time of their booking and it will be hel
55 777STL : Golds board with Group 1, not before Group 1.
56 Post contains images Longhornmaniac : I'm at a loss for words for all of the outrageous comments on this thread. I don't understand what anyone is complaining about. If you don't like it,
57 ckfred : Have you ever sat in the back of a 757 that was full? Deplaning a 757 takes a good 20 minutes. Sit up front, and you probably save at least 10 minute
58 Post contains images odysseus9001 : At the end of the day, AA will do what it wants to do, and I will do what I want to do. What were you expecting--those of us who many hours a week an
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