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RUMOR: AMR And Republic In Talks For Sale Of AE  
User currently offlineMQTmxguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 197 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 17990 times:

Heard a rumor the other day at work that AMR and Republic are in serious negotiations regarding either the whole or partial sale of Eagle. I'm curious if anyone here has heard the same thing, or has any thoughts on the feasibility/credibility of this rumor.

My personal thoughts:

Any sale would have to come with an immediate CPA for AA. Eagle is such a huge part of the AA's North American system the it would be impossible to replace.

Eagle is the only AMR subsidiary that has made a profit in any quarter of the past year.

Could Republic use Eagle assets for the F9 operation?

So soon after the F9 and YX purchases, does Republic have the capital to make such a huge purchase?

Does anyone really want 220 half-life ERJs?

With all the labor contracts just signed, Any buyer would have a tough time making any staffing/pay changes. Additionally complicating the merging of the current bundle of RW, RP, F9, and YX work groups.

Why would AMR spend so much time and money re-capitalizing the fleet (new CR7s, F class mod on the old CR7s, fighting tool and nail with the AA pilots union to let Eagle fly bigger planes) if they are just going to sell it.

Nobody wanted Eagle last time around, why now?

*RUMOR*


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User currently onlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 17832 times:

Quoting MQTmxguy (Thread starter):
Eagle is the only AMR subsidiary that has made a profit in any quarter of the past year.

Could Republic use Eagle assets for the F9 operation?

It may look like AMR is cutting their nose to spite their face. However, AA can then focus on getting mainline AA back in shape.

And if Eagle is sold to Republic, I could see the ground assets being used to service F9 aircraft at new and existing cities in addition to Eagle's planes. Couldn't see the ERJs moving to F9, especially if DL closes CVG. But I could see the merger of the RP and MQ certificates given their similar characteristics.



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User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 17690 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 1):
But I could see the merger of the RP and MQ certificates given their similar characteristics.

I figured that was the impetus for the deal - common fleet type and pilot pool allows for cost savings on mx, spares, crew scheduling, etc. assuming neither pilot group balked at the deal.


User currently offlinejlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 17612 times:
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I thought RP was trying to divest itself of 50 seat metal. I don't see them wanting to take on any more.


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User currently onlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2766 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 17504 times:

Quoting MQTmxguy (Thread starter):
Heard a rumor the other day at work that AMR and Republic are in serious negotiations regarding either the whole or partial sale of Eagle.

On the other threads, there's rumors that Republic is going to buy what's left of Horizon after AS gets done taking what they want from it.

At this rate, pretty soon Republic is going to be the world's largest airline...... when measured in terms of rumors.  

But..... who knows?


User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4030 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 17469 times:

They don't have to have the cash. The can get AA to finance the deal, just like Trans States and Pinnacle got Delta to do for their purchases of Compass and Mesaba respectively. If Republic holdings could get their hands on Eagle their subsidiaries would be providing a massive amount of lift for the major players in the US aviation industry. Combine that with their foray into the branded business, they'd be quite a powerhouse. As for the viability of a 50 seat operation... well with a CPA comes guaranteed profits. They've instantly got economies of scale with a carrier the size of Eagle and with AAs scope they're limited to mostly 50 seaters anyhow. It could be a good foot in the door for the future if AA pilots gave in to allow more scope for higher wages (seen time and time again at the mainline level.)

User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 17300 times:

If Republic does buy American Eagle, I see them maintaining it as a subsidiary and would keep its' operations confined to flying on behalf of American Airlines. I highly doubt that AMR would let the American Eagle Airlines name be used in conjunction with Connection/Express operations, so the only other option besides keeping it as a subsidiary would be to merge with another airline within the Republic Airways family (Much like SkyWest is planning to do with ExpressJet buy having its' ASA subsidiary buy the airline and merge it into their operation.).

I'm of the belief that the more likely scenario is that American Eagle Airlines is spun off from AMR Corporation, which has been something AMR has looked at and is still considering. Perhaps Republic buys a stake in the newly spun-off American Eagle Airlines?


User currently offlinemetjetceo From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 17173 times:

All in all it makes you wonder if AA is hurting not just on the cash statement...but if they are starting to run out of liquid assets.

User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 17118 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 6):
I'm of the belief that the more likely scenario is that American Eagle Airlines is spun off from AMR Corporation, which has been something AMR has looked at and is still considering. Perhaps Republic buys a stake in the newly spun-off American Eagle Airlines?

I think this is much more plausible than RAH buying Eagle. High seniority labor force at Eagle, obsolete aircraft, different pilot labor unions, and RAH has enough headaches getting their F9 branded stuff going. Eagle is a huge operation, and would almost double the number of pilots under the RAH control.



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User currently offlinehiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2177 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 17050 times:

It really makes no sense...AE cost's are above average regional costs...their labor contracts have a lot of AA clauses in them....taking on Eagle and their older equipment and labor issues does not seem like a great idea. I would think AMR is going to have to fire sale and back finance any deal....

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5947 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 17027 times:

Quoting MQTmxguy (Thread starter):
Eagle is the only AMR subsidiary that has made a profit in any quarter of the past year.

And selling the profitable branches of airlines has worked wonders for ailing carriers in the past. Just ask Pan Am, after they sold Pacific Division to UA. Or TWA, after they sold London slots to AA. Or Eastern, after they sold their entire souls to Continental via Lorenzo. Or.... oh, wait. Oops.

Quoting metjetceo (Reply 7):
All in all it makes you wonder if AA is hurting not just on the cash statement...but if they are starting to run out of liquid assets.

Hmmm.......... Could give them some quick liquidity to help finance their way through bankruptcy. Probably not, but.... gotta wonder.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 16990 times:

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 9):
I would think AMR is going to have to fire sale and back finance any deal....

Which is exactly what happened with Mesaba and Compass. DL themselves is who helped finance the sale.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11983 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 16759 times:

Prefacing all of this with the recognition that this is only a rumor ...

Quoting MQTmxguy (Thread starter):
Any sale would have to come with an immediate CPA for AA. Eagle is such a huge part of the AA's North American system the it would be impossible to replace.

Of course.

Just like with every other formerly-wholly-owned regional that has been spun off, any deal would necessarily have to have some sort of a locked-in CPA for at least 3-4 years in order to ease the transition before that capacity was re-competed.

Quoting MQTmxguy (Thread starter):
Eagle is the only AMR subsidiary that has made a profit in any quarter of the past year.

But it is still woefully uncompetitive relative to its peer group, and still a strategic dead-end for the company.

Quoting MQTmxguy (Thread starter):
Does anyone really want 220 half-life ERJs?

Nope. Not even Eagle!

Quoting MQTmxguy (Thread starter):
Why would AMR spend so much time and money re-capitalizing the fleet (new CR7s, F class mod on the old CR7s, fighting tool and nail with the AA pilots union to let Eagle fly bigger planes) if they are just going to sell it.

Because they have no choice. It's the less-than-optimal solution, but AA was sick of falling further and further behind because it lacked enough 70-90 seat jets thanks to SCOPE. This is a piecemeal step, but still doesn't serve the long term problem.

Quoting MQTmxguy (Thread starter):
Nobody wanted Eagle last time around, why now?

There is one big reason which some others have touched on: AA.

Despite what we often hear about how AA is dying, falling behind, etc., it is still the second largest airline in America - a point often lost. AA's network is absolutely massive, and covers some of the largest and most strategically important markets in both the U.S. and the world. In addition, AA's regional capacity has been the most "locked-up" to date - every other major U.S. carrier has either spun off their wholly-owned regional carriers or competed some portion of their regional capacity or both. AA has a grand total of 13 jets not under agreement to Eagle.

Getting past all of the obvious issues with Eagle itself as it exists today - that is a really, really big opportunity for somebody. If the price of getting into the business of providing capacity for AA - again, the nation's second largest airline - is buying out Eagle, running it for a few years, and then effectively shutting it down, then some smart, well-run regional operator (like, hypothetically, a Republic or a SkyWest) might well see that math as worth it for them.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 6):
I highly doubt that AMR would let the American Eagle Airlines name be used in conjunction with Connection/Express operations, so the only other option besides keeping it as a subsidiary would be to merge with another airline within the Republic Airways family (Much like SkyWest is planning to do with ExpressJet buy having its' ASA subsidiary buy the airline and merge it into their operation.).

The Eagle name will stay with AMR. It will not go with the company if sold. AMR can then license out the American Eagle name to whichever airline is providing the service.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 6):
I'm of the belief that the more likely scenario is that American Eagle Airlines is spun off from AMR Corporation, which has been something AMR has looked at and is still considering. Perhaps Republic buys a stake in the newly spun-off American Eagle Airlines?

It will all come down to money.

If AMR thinks they can get more money from a spinoff, they'll do that. If they think a sell-off will net more, they'll do that. I don't think AMR particularly cares on which means they use, and I think they are fairly agnostic as to which direction the company will take. All they care about is maximizing the amount of cash they can generate from this deal.


User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1607 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16543 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 1):
especially if DL closes CVG.

What, exactly, is the connection there?

Quoting MQTmxguy (Thread starter):
Eagle is the only AMR subsidiary that has made a profit in any quarter of the past year.

Eagle is profitable because all or virtually all of their flying is paid for by AA. It's a shell game between two subsidiaries of the same parent company.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25709 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16468 times:
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Quoting commavia (Reply 12):
Prefacing all of this with the recognition that this is only a rumor ...

A rumor which the CEO of Republic has denied.

mariner



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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3308 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16406 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 6):
If Republic does buy American Eagle, I see them maintaining it as a subsidiary and would keep its' operations confined to flying on behalf of American Airlines.

I don't think the RAH pilot contract will allow that. My understanding is that all RAH pilots must be on the common seniority list.

Couple of issues I see in this rumor. First, they've gotta digest F9, including the single seniority list for pilots and flight attendants. As others have said, the AE groups would be uber-senior, and would wreak havoc on the seniority lists.

AE is saddled with high costs. A deal with Republic could bring down some of the back office costs, but I don't see Eagle pilots accepting Republic scales. Anything is possible, but I'm not sure about this one....


User currently onlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7719 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16357 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 6):
If Republic does buy American Eagle, I see them maintaining it as a subsidiary and would keep its' operations confined to flying on behalf of American Airlines.

That would be to AA's advantage not Republic, the reallocation of assets throughout the Republic network to improve efficiency, save cost would be their first priority.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 6):
I'm of the belief that the more likely scenario is that American Eagle Airlines is spun off from AMR Corporation, which has been something AMR has looked at and is still considering. Perhaps Republic buys a stake in the newly spun-off American Eagle Airlines?

Agree this is the more likely solution, a quick name change to remove the AA mantra and they can commence looking for other business while working to lower cost.


User currently offlinepdxtriple7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16348 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 12):
it is still the second largest airline in America - a point often lost.

Not true. Pending the merger of UA/CO, AA will now be FOURTH domestically behind UA/CO, DL/NW, and WN.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11983 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16305 times:

Quoting pdxtriple7 (Reply 17):
Not true. Pending the merger of UA/CO, AA will now be FOURTH domestically behind UA/CO, DL/NW, and WN.

My mistake - third.

The point is still the same whether they're second, third, or fourth.

They are an absolutely massive airline that puts literally tens of millions each year onto regional flights. That is a tantalizing target for a regional operator.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 15688 times:

Quoting MQTmxguy (Thread starter):
RUMOR: AMR And Republic In Talks For Sale Of AE

Debunked in the Frontier #12 thread. BB has said that he has no plans to get AE and the 50 seat market is not in RAH's future.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 15496 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 19):

  

If the past 3 years has shown us anything, it's that airlines are currently sitting fat on 50 seat RJs. Much so that many are returning frames to the lessors. DL for example had many parked in CVG and continues to return CRJs and will continue to do so through 2010 as planned.

Save scope agreements, if they could get more CR7s/9s, they would.



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User currently offlineMQTmxguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 14024 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 20):
f the past 3 years has shown us anything, it's that airlines are currently sitting fat on 50 seat RJs. Much so that many are returning frames to the lessors. DL for example had many parked in CVG and continues to return CRJs and will continue to do so through 2010 as planned

This is one of the biggest factors I see against such a transaction. In fact out of all the US regionals Eagle is probably the best at deploying 50-seat RJ capacity en masse, but that's even only by nessesity (thanks to AA pilot scope).

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 19):
Debunked in the Frontier #12 thread. BB has said that he has no plans to get AE and the 50 seat market is not in RAH's future

I don't know if I would consider this a true debunking, but a factor against for sure.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 6):
I'm of the belief that the more likely scenario is that American Eagle Airlines is spun off from AMR Corporation, which has been something AMR has looked at and is still considering. Perhaps Republic buys a stake in the newly spun-off American Eagle Airlines

Who's gonna invest in that? Unless AA was willing to provide some serious funding for such an endeavor Eagle on it's feet the airline would be dead within 2 years. Considering Eagle's high overhead and a business structure built around the juggernaut that is AMR, I would liken it to US government trying to "divest" the military, and then telling it that it must support itself.

Quoting commavia (Reply 12):
There is one big reason which some others have touched on: AA.

If AMR is essentially making Eagle "free to a good home" I could see some of the bigger players on the US regional scene salivating at the chance to pounce on the holy grail of CPA customers. But Eagle is so massive, and such an ingrained part of the AMR machine that it is almost a legacy carrier in and of itself, and without freedom to cut alot of the fat and AAcentric structure I think most companies see Eagle as a bite too big to chew.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25709 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 13999 times:
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Quoting MQTmxguy (Reply 21):
I don't know if I would consider this a true debunking, but a factor against for sure.

CEO Bedford said that Republic would not be buying Eagle and gave the reasons why, several of which you listed in the OP.

How much more debunking do you you need?

mariner

[Edited 2010-08-19 02:03:09]


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User currently offlinecws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 13927 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 22):
CEO Bedford said that Republic would not be buying Eagle and gave the reasons why, several of which you listed in the OP.

How much more debunking do you you need?

mariner

I have the greatest respect for Mr. Bedford and his accomplishments, but when did he say this? Republic has made rapid, inconsistent statements re: ASE. This would indicate, at least to me, that the thinking at Republic HQ is evolving, as it should, as market events change.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25709 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 13896 times:
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Quoting cws818 (Reply 23):
I have the greatest respect for Mr. Bedford and his accomplishments, but when did he say this?

The told the staff.

He went further. He said they were not interested in any of the regionals - except for Compass, which they would have liked to buy. They had an acceptable term sheet for it, but felt that the labor issues made the deal too complex for them.

Quoting cws818 (Reply 23):
Republic has made rapid, inconsistent statements re: ASE. This would indicate, at least to me, that the thinking at Republic HQ is evolving, as it should, as market events change.

They have made two statements about ASE and the Q400. The second of them simply postpones, but does not change, the first and is not based on "evolution" but on certain circumstances beyond their control.

Now - if American offered them Eagle for a peso (with financing), plus a multi-billion dollar contract, amicably revised union contacts AND a guarantee to take the ERJ's off their hands, then I guess things might change, but as of now, Republic is not buying - and does not intend to buy - Eagle.

mariner



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25 azjubilee : Interesting Bedford saw "labor" as a stumbling block for buying Compass. Did he give any insight why? As for debunking the rumor... CEOs say things al
26 ElmoTheHobo : IMO Eagle should be split in three. Executive Airlines with the ATRs, American Connection wither ERJ-135/140/145s operating as a independent company a
27 MQTmxguy : That is almost exactly the current arrangement, minus more 70 seaters, which AA/Eagle would love if the pilot scope allowed. azjubilee summed up my t
28 FRNT787 : Due to the current ongoing Frontier integration. There are issues to be hashed out with Mechanics, Pilots, and perhaps even flight attendants. Throwi
29 norcal : That's the excuse but in reality Delta didn't want to sell Compass to RAH (or Skywest). Delta chose to sell Compass to TSH and Mesaba to Pinnacle bec
30 Post contains images AirframeAS : Oh, it has been debunked. It is a non-issue now. Moving on..... This thread should now be locked. There was an internal email about it, in which I wi
31 FlyASAGuy2005 : As for what the CEO said; i'd take it with a grain of salt. DL is the biggest one. I remember too many letters from JG stating DL's plan is to be a st
32 Antoniemey : I think ExpressJet is at least pretty close in number of aircraft. At the very least he cares if Labor is giving him additional work to do or not.
33 mrskyguy : Agreed. I actually came to the thread to post the anti-rumor, but it's already been achieved.
34 mariner : Really, I shrug. It would be a weird thing to invent when there was no reason to, and most of Wall Street expected Republic was going to buy Compass
35 FRNT787 : Is this your opinion? Because right now, we have your word versus the word of the CEO of a publicly traded company who has stated in a public enough
36 loggat : It had nothing to do with labor. RAH management doesn't care about labor issues. I think it's more to do with the fact that DL didn't want to hand mor
37 mariner : I can only report what Mr.Bedford said and he said that given all they have on their plate, they didn't want more labor issues, especially involving
38 AirframeAS : Oh, yes they do. Labor is a big thing to RAH.. In fact, I recall BB saying that if the workgroups want to be unioned, he is not bothered by that. He
39 loggat : I don't have a source, I've just worked under this management group for close to 5 years. My last statement was my opnion only. I'm just trying to mak
40 ilovepabst : Seems to me that SkyWest would (or should) have an interest in AE if they are up for sale. They have a sizeable operation in ORD already and currently
41 loggat : With all due respect, since F9 was acquired, he has tried to screw over the mechanics (hence why you are working catering now, right?), the F9 pilots
42 mariner : I'm really not sure of your point. Whatever you meant by it, I take from it that they had lost one contract because a strike was imminently possible
43 norcal : He said he wanted Compass and didn't get it, investors want to know why. Their might be a grain of truth to blaming labor but in the end it was Delta
44 mariner : When did I say he cares about labor? I said labor issues. Do you have some proof of that? And he didn't want another layer. Okay. That does not contr
45 norcal : Only people from the Delta GO I know who were involved in the negotiations. It doesn't take inside knowledge to see this situation for what it is. If
46 mariner : Ah, so it is speculation. Okay. As to the second part of your statement, Delta was an active enabler in the creation of Republic's branded ops. If th
47 FlyASAGuy2005 : I wouldn't go as far as to say most. Both ASA and Comair were up for grabs in 2005. SkyWest looked at both and passed on Comair. Same was said public
48 norcal : Some of the people behind the deal saying that is considered speculation to you....ok Again this has nothing to do with the branded ops. This is all
49 ilovepabst : What year was OO up for grabs?
50 mariner : Yes. I have the alternate view, the Bedford view of the Teamsters and Compass, in print, in the public domain and since he is an officer of a publicl
51 norcal : But there is no way he would get in trouble for saying, "We have labor concerns about the deal," and then get in trouble with the SEC. That could ver
52 FlyASAGuy2005 : As early 2005, definitely; maybe earlier.
53 mariner : That is at variance with what Mr.Bedford told the staff and what appears in the published account of aspects of it. I have always accepted elements o
54 JBo : OO = SkyWest OH = Comair I think FlyASA means Comair.
55 FRNT787 : A lease deal fell through. That is what happened. Completely different situation. Ok. You have said (countless) times that integrating Frontier/Midwe
56 norcal : It is a nightmare for the labor unions working on the integration but it doesn't really affect RAH management until they get the bill for the retrain
57 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Thanks, meant to say OH
58 norcal : I'm actually curious how he plans on pulling off continued service to ASE with the 3 Q-400s now that he is shifting the aircraft to the Republic cert
59 AirframeAS : That was then. This is now. BB has changed his stance and he has said that union or no union, he has no preference. Things change. And I am not talki
60 mariner : If it is a grievance, it is one that can have an easy - although not immediate - resolution. But I'm not sure what it has to do with this thread. mar
61 Antoniemey : If the former Lynx pilots are officially hired on by Republic and thus added to the seniority list, even if they're at the bottom, since they are the
62 mariner : It is most likely that the aircraft will be removed from service. Nothing is carved in granite, of course, things could change. But based on what is
63 iad51fl : From what I have heard and seen it looks more like B6 may purchase AE.... we will see in a month or so. Chris
64 rj777 : Why would B6 go after Eagle? What possible use could they have for these planes?
65 Crosscheck007 : Now this is purely rumor based on what I have heard from some Eagle folks in DFW, so take it with a huge grain of salt, but: Apparently Embraer has w
66 loggat : If there is any truth to this, then Republilc suddenly becomes a not too crazy stretch from this rumor. Being able to dump small ERJs for a price dro
67 norcal : That eases the problem but they still need to get approval from the FAA to operate the Q-400 on the Republic certificate. You don't just white out Q-
68 FlyASAGuy2005 : I love this type of rumor. Just like the one about DL buying B6 for their terminal. So, B6 is going to buy AE and take on the responsibility of whate
69 norcal : It's more believable than the other rumor, which is Eagle buying B6, lol.
70 enilria : As I've said elsewhere it makes no sense. It must be related to a QX deal of some sort. Then it makes zero sense to add these planes to the Republic
71 mariner : Okay, it makes no sense to you. But as I said earlier. I guess it makes sense to them. mariner
72 RJNUT : i said almost the exact same thing earlier!
73 Post contains images mariner : LOL. I would have thought the more interesting question is this: who wanted a fleet of Q400's, and then - at the very last moment - changed their min
74 point2point : Okay, from what I can gather, some kind of deal fell through with the three Qs that now remain. accepted. So now they have these 3 Qs (I believe thes
75 mariner : I try not to read anything more into this than what it is. A certain situation arose and they found a temporary solution. That solution makes the mos
76 MQTmxguy : Interesting rumor. If true I could see RAH, OO and B6 all being interested. But the questions that come to mind are: Having seemingly re-committed to
77 Antoniemey : That might depend on how much they can get from the airframe by parting it out or converting it to a bizjet. Still, I have my doubts about this too.
78 enilria : Apart from my point that a) it's a waste of money because its only 3 A/C (only two of which are scheduled), b) it creates union seniority problems or
79 Post contains links mariner : Ever helpful, I'm assuming the first of those choices. http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20.../100819819/1077&ParentProfile=1058 "The unexpected
80 point2point : If they do have to do all of this work, it does seem like an awful lot of bother just to keep the ASE route going for the season...
81 Post contains images bahadir : Some former Lynx pilots got hired by Republic flying in 3 different certificates including Republic Airlines.. So, the Republic Airlines guys don't h
82 enilria : I appreciate the link. My point, like the point of others, is that they could have simply said "we are taking a break from ASE due to our fleet chang
83 william : Why did AE ground the SAABs. Using oversized ATRs to do the job would raise costs.
84 norcal : The Saabs timed out and AMR didn't want to spend the money to fix them up. Their ATRs will probably suffer a similar fate in several years as well. T
85 JBo : The decision to return the 717s early was made by Midwest before RAH bought them. RAH may have accelerated the rate of returning the aircraft, howeve
86 norcal : Yep it was accelerated and they did pay extra to do that.
87 AirframeAS : The planes will be put on the RW certificate, so...the FAA guy would be the same. It would just be incoming aircraft to the RW fleet. Why would this
88 Post contains links mariner : Why should they do that? No one knows when the runway extension will be finished. It isn't approved for Federal funding yet. As far as the Q's are co
89 norcal : The reason why an FAA guy would want to look over the manuals is that he is signing off that they are okay and that he has read them. He is now on th
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