Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Pune, India - International Airlines?  
User currently offlinersrik From India, joined Oct 2008, 160 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3925 times:

Hi All
I am going to be relocating from the San Jose bay area to Pune, India in a couple months. Having enjoyed the close proximity to SFO all these years, I can not wrap my brain around traveling by road to Mumbai for every international trip. I am aware of Lufthansa's service to Pune, but I wonder whether other airlines, especially Singapore and Emirates, will ever fly out of Pune.
Are any of you in the know? These 2 airlines will be my top choices for flying westward or eastward from India.
Thanks for any info you can share, even if it might be "No frickin way"  
Sri

16 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3867 times:

Airlines have been wanting to serve Pune for quite sometime now.
The problem with Pune airport is the short runway, I believe. The runway and taxiways currently cannot accomodate widebodies.
I guess once the new airport is built or the current one is completely redone, more airlines will start service to Pune.


User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1652 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

EK as you probably know is huge in India, so it's natural that we'd consider them. The recently launched Dubai-based LCC flydubai uses 737s which are about the right size for routes like Dubai-Pune. The smallest EK has is an A332, and that would probably be too big. In the near future, I wouldn't be surprised if flydubai launches Pune, which then interlines with EK's beyond network.

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3323 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 1):
The problem with Pune airport is the short runway, I believe. The runway and taxiways currently cannot accomodate widebodies.
Quoting rsrik (Thread starter):
Are any of you in the know? These 2 airlines will be my top choices for flying westward or eastward from India.
Thanks for any info you can share, even if it might be "No frickin way"

QR and EY operate A320s, so I think you have more of a chance of one of these carriers operating before EK or SQ.

Perhaps the agreements between India and these countries does not permit ops to Pune.


Air India Express currently operate Dubai-Pune, so there is another 'direct international' option.


User currently offlinefortunerunnner From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3714 times:

Having born and lived in Pune for almost half of my life and then rest in SF bay area, this topic is near and dear to my heart. Currently Pune does not have an airport capable of serving wide bodies with meaningful TOW unless massive reconstruction is performed on the terminal and current runway is extended about 3000ft. Current runway is too short for operating 777 or 330 type aircraft with full load of passengers and fuel required to make it to hubs such as SIN or FRA.

Also the current airport is actually an active air force base and air force would shut civil operations from there if they could. There is frequent friction between AAI and IAF on the topic of civil operations. Frequently IAF restricts the airspace in and around Pune due to the sorties it flies and requires civil aircraft to circle for long time before allowed to land there.
Almost all the land around this airport is either built up or occupied by IAF so there is next to no chance of getting current airport up to the international standards unless IAF completely vacates it.

However, that is unlikely to happen since Pune IAF base is one of the most important base for IAF's operations in western India and Arabian sea peninsula. It is too important of a base in India's defense infrastructure to be shut down for civil operations so only option is to have another airport just for civil operations.

I'm convinced that if and when Pune gets the second airport (at Chakan or wherever they decide to build) we'll see almost all major International operators operating to India operate to it at least few times a week if not daily. In my estimate currently there are close to 400-500 people (if not more) from Pune on any given day that take or arrive on international flights at BOM. This is based on the fact that currently there are multiple door-door operators operating multiple shuttles per hour for 24 hrs a day each carrying 4-5 people. In addition to it the sheer number of technology/auto giants located in Pune ensures that there is constant stream of travelers going to Europe or US for business and it has been growing day by day making Pune's case for having second airport stronger and stronger. Hope that GOI wakes up and gets its acts together to unleash the potential that this city has.

  


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3587 times:

Quoting fortunerunnner (Reply 4):
In my estimate currently there are close to 400-500 people (if not more) from Pune on any given day that take or arrive on international flights at BOM.
Quoting fortunerunnner (Reply 4):
Hope that GOI wakes up and gets its acts together to unleash the potential that this city has

Will the new proposed greenfield airport in navi mumbai ease some of the problems. Like it will reduce travel time from Pune by a factor of half (am i being too optimistic)


User currently offlinevivekman2006 From India, joined May 2006, 532 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3557 times:

Quoting fortunerunnner (Reply 4):
This is based on the fact that currently there are multiple door-door operators operating multiple shuttles per hour for 24 hrs a day each carrying 4-5 people.

You mean KK Travels?  


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2964 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3507 times:

Quoting directorguy (Reply 2):
The recently launched Dubai-based LCC flydubai uses 737s which are about the right size for routes like Dubai-Pune. The smallest EK has is an A332, and that would probably be too big. In the near future, I wouldn't be surprised if flydubai launches Pune, which then interlines with EK's beyond network.

The EK A332 can sustain a 4-5 weekly A332 to PNQ.

Quoting fortunerunnner (Reply 4):
Having born and lived in Pune for almost half of my life and then rest in SF bay area, this topic is near and dear to my heart.

You echoed my sentiments.

First and foremost Pune has a 3 weekly flight to DXB and it had a 2 weekly flight to SIN via HYD. However a need of an international airline is visible. Another factor is that PNQ is heavily slot restricted and adding flights is just too difficult with the current AAI and IAF barriers.

PNQ has 8 bays which can accommodate 8 narrow bodies only. Of which 7 are occupied throughout the night, by 9W, IT, SG having their aircrafts parked there. That leaves one bay empty, where LH brings in their flight ... and sources tell me that Silk Air is granted thier desired slot as well (typical 2330 hrs to 0130 hrs slot). Plus a lot of new airlines like Sri Lankan, Air Arabia, Flydubai, AF-KLM group have PNQ on their radar. Realistically speaking Silk Air, and QR/EY will help a lot of the international traveling population of Pune.

However as we speak, watch out for Silk Air, and one of the arabian LCCs, they might step in soon.

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 5):
Will the new proposed greenfield airport in navi mumbai ease some of the problems. Like it will reduce travel time from Pune by a factor of half (am i being too optimistic)

Yes, you are too optimistic!



A lion does not concern himself with the opinions of the sheep
User currently offlineEBGARN From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3506 times:

Hi rsrik!

Having travelled to Pune through BOM I understand your concern. Many flights from Europe arrive in the middle of the night, making the drive BOM - Pune easier, but for the return you might have to leave Pune late afternoon, which will be anything but a breeze. Half of the travel time Pune-BOM will be spent in or around Mumbai, trying to reach the airport.

If you need a phone # to a good driver (efficient without being crazy, based in Pune), you can pm me.



A306,A319/20/21,A332/3,A343/6,A380,B717,B727,B737,B744,B752/3,B763,B772/3/W,C-130,AN26,CRJ900,Il62,DC-8/9/10,MD80's,BaeR
User currently offlinerajrs From India, joined Aug 2007, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3416 times:

Pune airport runaway expansion will take off soon.

http://www.sakaaltimes.com/sakaaltim...a/20100423/4694007272436983692.htm

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...-extension/articleshow/5842592.cms

http://findarticles.com/p/news-artic...-acquisition-process/ai_n54188114/

As per the news article , length of the runway would be extended by 700 mtrs. Which would helpful for operating at least A330 a/c.

Now hope for the best ..


RAJRS


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3363 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 7):
Yes, you are too optimistic!

I thought as much. in any case just read this - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...ai-airport/articleshow/6337498.cms


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3259 times:

Well, some of those articles are being far too optimistic. Much like GOI where the civil field shares a small part of an Indian Navy base and with the Naval Air Arm growing soon with new Mig-29K's and Boeing P-8I's there is a need for a new airport. The Air Force is also going to expand the Su-30MKI fleet much beyond initial plans, and with PNQ being the main base for the Sukhoi's, a shared aerodrome might mean neither civil nor military operations will go smoothly. The last time the AAI 'improved' the runway and tarmac the airport was shut for a month.

Pune needs a proper new airport, it is a major city in India in its own right and not a satellite of Mumbai as some make it out to be. BOM is stretched to the limit, and it is unfair to force Punekars to move through Mumbai to travel abroad.



A300B2/B4/6R, A313, A319/320/321, A333, A343, A388, 737-2/3/4/7/8/9, 747-3/4, 772/2E/2L/3, E170/190, F70, CR2/7, 146-3,
User currently offlinefortunerunnner From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3129 times:

Quoting vivekman2006 (Reply 6):
You mean KK Travels?

hahahha...unfortunately that is the big one and most infamous but there are others such as sandy's plus other multiple private operators chartered by companies to shuttle their employees.


User currently offlinefortunerunnner From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3099 times:

Quoting rajrs (Reply 9):
Pune airport runaway expansion will take off soon.

http://www.sakaaltimes.com/sakaaltim...a/20100423/4694007272436983692.htm

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...-extension/articleshow/5842592.cms

http://findarticles.com/p/news-artic...-acquisition-process/ai_n54188114/

As per the news article , length of the runway would be extended by 700 mtrs. Which would helpful for operating at least A330 a/c.

Now hope for the best ..


RAJRS

This project has been stalled for many months if not years. I'll believe it only when they actually complete it. Besides that its not going to help much since IAF has a final say on who operates to Pune and what time. Pune is already slot restricted as Ojas has mentioned and simply there isnt any capacity to handle increased aircraft movements while keeping IAF happy and not interfering in their operations.
Till then hope that SilkAir or FlyDubai begins operations to Pune which should allow one stop options to lot of international destinations in addition to LH flight that currently operates there.


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3097 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

Quoting vivekman2006 (Reply 6):
You mean KK Travels?  

KK is a disgrace....of course, I last used them back in 2008, so don't know how they are now....

I believe the land for a future Pune airport has long ago been identified near Talegaon.......of course, it's too much to expect, but with some proper far sighted planning, Talegoan could even serve the populations of Navi Mumbai and townships like Kalyan, Dombivili, etc.......passengers from there would no longer need to travel in to Mumbai city to catch flights.....

Well....wishful thinking.....


User currently offlinefortunerunnner From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2772 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 14):

KK is a disgrace....of course, I last used them back in 2008, so don't know how they are now....

Still the same....except their drivers are little more well behaved and stick to 80kmph on MPE.

Last time I used them (March 2010) they were using smaller SUVs (Chevy Tavera) instead of the mini buses which is definitely better. Mini bus would take ages to fill up before hitting the road and then go on a sightseeing tour of Pune to drop people off at various parts of the city which is definitely a PITA after a long international flight.

From what I've heard during my discussions with one of the drivers is that KK gives them flat fuel allowance (about 1100 rps per trip) so they try to save fuel and not drive like maniacs. If they drive faster the fuel economy goes down and then they would have to put fuel in their SUVs out of their own pocket which no one wants to do so they tend to stick with 80kmph.


User currently offlinepnqiad From India, joined May 2006, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 14):
KK is a disgrace....of course, I last used them back in 2008, so don't know how they are now....
Quoting fortunerunnner (Reply 15):
Still the same....except their drivers are little more well behaved and stick to 80kmph on MPE.

I used them once to go to BOM and never since. I wouldn't use KK if they took me for free. Now a days many taxi operators provide for 1-way fares (just about half / slightly more than RT fare) to or from BOM - so if it is 2 or 3 people traveling - it is actually much better - time and comfort wise.

Considering how long we have been hearing about it - I wouldn't hold my breath for Chakan airport to finally come up...


Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
DC-10 For Ryan International Airlines? posted Sun Apr 11 2010 18:41:22 by c5load
Air India / Indian Airlines? posted Thu Nov 12 2009 10:14:29 by Vasu
International Airlines Into ALA (Almaty)? posted Tue Aug 25 2009 08:04:04 by KL1291
China International Airlines Routes Update posted Sat Jan 17 2009 20:06:34 by YVR1968
Ghana International Airlines Launch Düsseldorf posted Wed Nov 5 2008 10:15:13 by Myt332
Trans International Airlines TIA Question posted Sat May 3 2008 10:01:47 by AirAmericaC46
Lufthansa To Start Pune (India) From 1st July posted Mon Apr 21 2008 02:45:52 by Ojas
LH Eyes Pune (India) - Part 2 posted Fri Apr 18 2008 03:33:16 by JoFMO
Hamburg International Airlines To EVE? posted Sat Feb 16 2008 03:34:07 by CXfirst
What Happened To Uk International Airlines? posted Sat Jan 12 2008 16:29:50 by ECONOMICS
Ghana International Airlines Woes + Stone Throwing posted Sun May 16 2010 09:08:19 by ETStar
DC-10 For Ryan International Airlines? posted Sun Apr 11 2010 18:41:22 by c5load