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Boeing To Open Manufacturing Facility At Kblv  
User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2521 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6991 times:

Could this be the break KBLV has been waiting for? Given the relative proximity to STL, what are the chances a LCC or major rolls the dice on a daily flight once the facility is up and running? Anyone have insight into the nature of the manufacturing work?

http://chicagobreakingbusiness.com/2...t-illinois-manufacturing-site.html

777fan

[Edited 2010-08-19 16:53:24]


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6942 times:

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
what are the chances a LCC or major rolls the dice on a daily flight once the facility is up and running?

Probably very little, especially since it isn't like space is tight at STL.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6782 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Probably very little, especially since it isn't like space is tight at STL.

While it's not relate to this announcement, it would not shock me to see OO give BLV-ORD a shot a couple of times a day if they ever expand their at risk flying. It's about the only thing I think could work from BLV. If UA dumps AX (or G7), UA might start the route on their dime.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6682 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Probably very little, especially since it isn't like space is tight at STL

Sure, for those that want to drive to STL from Scott AFB. I'm thinking that between military traffic and the potential for this facility to grow, a UAX flight to/from ORD would make some sense for Boeing execs, military personnel connecting on leave, etc. BLV has proven to be the ultimate white elephant but this might prove to be a badly needed catalyst for pax traffic.

777fan



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3827 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6640 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
While it's not relate to this announcement, it would not shock me to see OO give BLV-ORD a shot a couple of times a day if they ever expand their at risk flying. It's about the only thing I think could work from BLV. If UA dumps AX (or G7), UA might start the route on their dime.

G4 tried BLV-SFB/LAS. Service stopped two years ago... but that was when the AA hub at STL was still chugging along (albeit in heavily reduced form). And I don't think UA will dump AX/G7 anytime soon, with Trans States Holdings adding CP to their portfolio. But I could see BLV-ORD as a "Boeing shuttle" for Boeing factory/R&D employees at other sites and Boeing HQ in Chicago.

BTW, wasn't BLV a potential site for Dreamliner assembly line 1 (that went to PAE)?



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6505 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 3):
BLV has proven to be the ultimate white elephant but this might prove to be a badly needed catalyst for pax traffic.

There might be a case for a regional flight from ORD, but I don't think that this Boeing thing changes those prospects much if at all. How much executive traffic could a 75 employee facility generate? Granted, a lot depends on how big the facility becomes and what they do there, but I don't expect any major change.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3680 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6197 times:

Wonder if AS got tipped off so they could start the STL service. BTW, who is AX?


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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3827 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6096 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 6):
BTW, who is AX?

AX=Trans States Airlines, a ERJ operator for UA and US

Their parent, Trans States Holdings, also owns G7 (GoJet Airlines, operates for UA) and soon, will be acquiring CP (Compass Airlines; operates for DL) from Delta Air Lines.



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5926 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 6):
Wonder if AS got tipped off so they could start the STL service.

Highly unlikely. They jumped into the market when AA dropped their SEA-STL flights.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2607 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5825 times:

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
Anyone have insight into the nature of the manufacturing work?

That's been my question too since I saw this announcement yesterday. There was a blurb about it on the local TV news last night but they didn't mention what's being manufactured there. They are starting with 75 employees so I'd assume it's nothing major,but who knows?


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6340 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

I see just a bit less need for airline service here than exists and PAE after 41 years of Boeing operations.


Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4314 times:

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 10):
I see just a bit less need for airline service here than exists and PAE after 41 years of Boeing operations.

But - again - the demand that's there at BLV doesn't have anything to do with a potential Boeing manufacturing operation.

How large is the military presence at PAE?



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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4219 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
How large is the military presence at PAE?

Essentially nil. There's an Air National Guard facility, but I don't think they have any aircraft.

Tom.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 12):
Essentially nil. There's an Air National Guard facility, but I don't think they have any aircraft.

  

That's an easy difference between PAE and BLV, then.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3981 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):


That's an easy difference between PAE and BLV, then.
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 12):
Essentially nil. There's an Air National Guard facility, but I don't think they have any aircraft.

That's an easy difference between PAE and BLV, then.

Exactly - between potential Boeing facility-related traffic, and neighboring Scott AFB military traffic, there might just be enough demand to support a daily RJ or two, particularly if local government decides to drop a small subsidy. Better yet air service at KBLV would give prospective DoD (full fare!) travellers a convenient option to get from point A to point B with essentially the same number of connections as KSTL, but without the drive. If this were to come to fruition, UA, AA and DL would be natural candidates...

777fan



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3697 times:

You all pretty much seem to be on the right track that this is pretty much a non-story. First, it's 75 jobs. A Walmart employs more people. Secondly, it appears that they won't be producing aircraft, meaning that this in no way validates or legitimizes the existence of MidAmerica Airport. It seems to be just cheap space.


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User currently offlineStratofortress From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 178 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

This facility will not drive any new routes. Firstly, at 75 people, there likely will be no executives at the site. Secondly, even if there were, only a small fraction of executives have the need to go to Chicago HQ. So the idea that this facility warrants a new route to Chicago can not be supported by facts.

This was a political footprint move more than anything. Also, having a relatively new facility, at presumably low cost, certainly helped.

With STL about 45 min away and plenty of open capacity for new routes, I dont think any airline will go through the cost of setting up the support for a 1-2 daily flights out of KBLV.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3499 times:

Quoting Stratofortress (Reply 16):
With STL about 45 min away and plenty of open capacity for new routes, I dont think any airline will go through the cost of setting up the support for a 1-2 daily flights out of KBLV.

If 45 minutes is "close enough," why does AA fly to CMI, BMI, and PIA?



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 17):
If 45 minutes is "close enough," why does AA fly to CMI, BMI, and PIA?

  

Quoting Stratofortress (Reply 16):
This was a political footprint move more than anything. Also, having a relatively new facility, at presumably low cost, certainly helped.

Political footprint? Doubtful. If anything, it might portend of something related to the C-17 and/or AMC HQ which are based at Scott. If that is the case, a Boeing facility makes perfect sense and, if this to-be-determined facility has anything to do with training or regular maintenance, it's conceivable that there will be engineers and crews coming to and fro on a regular basis which might just facilitate some activity at MidAmerica. Naturally, until we know what this facility is all about, everything pertaining to KBLV traffic is pure speculation or wishful thinking but I wouldn't go so far as to summarily dismiss the possibility.

777fan



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3768 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

I think you'll see transatlantic service at KSTL before you'll see regional service at KBLV, which is to say I don't think either has a snow ball's chance in hell of happening.

Folks, this is a facility with 75 employees - there won't be a modicum of demand here for a regional flight to ORD, or to anywhere else. If there is such a preexisting large demand for air service at KBLV, why isn't there service there already?

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):
How much executive traffic could a 75 employee facility generate?

Bingo.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 17):
If 45 minutes is "close enough," why does AA fly to CMI, BMI, and PIA?

Because people will be willing to pay more to fly closer to home. There are quite a few people that would use BLV, but they won't be likely to pay extra for the privilege. And the fact that BMI and PIA are the headquarters for Fortune 500 companies with a third down the road helps too.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 18):
If anything, it might portend of something related to the C-17 and/or AMC HQ which are based at Scott.

As far as I can tell, they will be making parts of some sort. The thing is that I don't think there aren't any C-17s based at Scott.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineisitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

It announcement was vague on what is being assembled by 75 people.

The ST. LOUIS Post-Dispatch, KMOX and the Boeing site had nothing on this endeavour at KBLV.

I always think the new codes with the letter K for USA airports is really a radio station in the western USA.
I guess that's something us dinosaurs will never get used to.

I did read in the ST LOUIS paper that DL is adding RDU-STL with two round trips daily. This gives DL 41 departures a day and now the number two carrier in STL behind WN.
AA apparently regressed a little more.
safe



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 20):
Because people will be willing to pay more to fly closer to home.

If I'm going to Chicago from Metro East or Jefferson County, where's the incentive to use STL rather than BLV?



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 22):
If I'm going to Chicago from Metro East or Jefferson County, where's the incentive to use STL rather than BLV?

Price and frequency. If enough metro east folks prove willing to pay a bit more to save themselves some time BLV might be able to get and keep service.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 18):
Political footprint? Doubtful.

Actually it makes perfect sense. Aerospace firms, and defense contractors in general, need to spread out as much as possible in order to get a broad base of political support. Adding a facility in Belleville, even a small one, will help Boeing get some Southern Illinois legislators on board with them. It's the same reason that the Space Shuttle was built in California, controlled from Texas and launched from Florida with engines from Utah. This is as likely a reason as any for putting the facility there.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 23):
Price and frequency.

With neither UA nor AA nor WN having free standby anymore, hourly flights are much less of an advantage than they used to be.



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25 474218 : A manufacturing plant employing 75 people will undoubtedly be involved with "pots and pans", small parts or sub assemblies. In the industry these are
26 tdscanuck : Given that it's a defense facility, it's also possible it's a low-rate final assembly facility. Lots of smaller military products at low rate don't n
27 474218 : As I stated earlier these small feeder plants are commonly opened for "political reasons". It just so happens in this case the Congressman from the 1
28 Stratofortress : That is surprising actually, but the demand is obviously there if they are doing it. I suppose all three of those have larger population than the tow
30 Cubsrule : ...and you suppose wrong. The Illinois part of metro St. Louis has about 600,000 people. The Peoria MSA is 357,000, Bloomington-Normal MSA is 168,000
31 jetjack74 : Hrmmmmm, well the Air Force Reserve 932nd Airlift Wing is based at Scott, with a fleet of C-40C and C-9C, for VIP Ops for the DOD, and 126th ARW, a K
32 Cubsrule : Hmmmmm, well, reading comprehension? He was speaking - accurately - about PAE.
33 jetjack74 : My mistake. Sorry
34 Cubsrule : No worries - it makes a little more sense once you realize that.
35 Stratofortress : Learn something new every day. Thanks for the info.
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