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Pluna Expands At GIG And CWB  
User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

As requested to the Brazilian ANAC, Pluna plans to increase flights to both GIG and CWB in October. GIG will go double daily from daily and CWB will go daily from 4x weekly.

The current schedule is:

PU220 CR9 12-45-7 MVD 12:35 CWB 14:35
PU221 CR9 12-45-7 CWB 15:10 MVD 17:15

PU222 CR9 1234567 MVD 12:00 GIG 14:40
PU223 CR9 1234567 GIG 15:20 MVD 18:25


Effective October 3rd, 2010, it will be:

PU220 CR9 1234567 MVD 12:35 CWB 14:35
PU221 CR9 1234567 CWB 15:08 MVD 17:13

PU222 CR9 1234567 MVD 11:59 GIG 14:39
PU223 CR9 1234567 GIG 15:20 MVD 18:25

PU232 CR9 1234567 MVD 20:45 GIG 23:25
PU233 CR9 1234567 GIG 08:05 MVD 11:10

Source: http://www.anac.gov.br/arquivos/xls/...0por%20etapa%20(com%20parecer).xls

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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

That's great news. The GIG-MVD leg can connect to the early morning arrivals from Europe and the US (from TAM). And good news also for CWB.


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User currently offlineBAforever From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3321 times:

Excellent news for Pluna. I am glad to see thay they continue to expand. A small airline... but with a long history.

I also hope that they are still successful against the giant that LAN-TAM will become!


User currently offlinejj8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3224 times:

Good news. It's interesting how Pluna started to do quite well after they phased out those old 732s in favour of a patronised CRJ900 fleet.


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3164 times:
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Quoting C010T3 (Thread starter):
As requested to the Brazilian ANAC, Pluna plans to increase flights to both GIG and CWB in October. GIG will go double daily from daily and CWB will go daily from 4x weekly.
Quoting AF086 (Reply 1):
That's great news. The GIG-MVD leg can connect to the early morning arrivals from Europe and the US (from TAM). And good news also for CWB.

Wow, interesting and the rumors are becoming real now faster and faster. Demand is strong, supply is limited, and now with 2 daily flights will be good as AF086 said, to provide not only leisure and O&D market, but also, to offer connections. Good that it's a plane that sit during the night at GIG which also means we could see some interesting charters to PDP and even MVD in the future.



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User currently offlinePu752 From Uruguay, joined Mar 2005, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3105 times:

Well, having 10 CR9 demans more flying right? well, as long as these are flown by Uruguayan pilots as its required, being those CR9 CX-registered, no problem....

However, routes to Brazil are also flown by argentine pilots under callsign, such as "pluna" with planes registered under (CX).

Things are not as they appear, having new planes, with nice livery, doesn't show pluna's actually financial situation... its bad, really bad.

Planes are leaving to ASU, CWB, POA, SBFI, with no more than 30pax.


User currently offlinefaucett From Peru, joined Jul 2009, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3086 times:

Quoting Pu752 (Reply 5):
Things are not as they appear, having new planes, with nice livery, doesn't show pluna's actually financial situation... its bad, really bad.

Planes are leaving to ASU, CWB, POA, SBFI, with no more than 30pax.

This is a pity. When South America is becoming a breeding ground for mega airlines (AV-TA,LA-JJ), I wish there were at least more strong regional players. I seemes that PU is just that, a good player in a niche market, and I hope it stays like that.
I hope the situation is not as bad as Pu752 says
 



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11722 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3074 times:

Quoting BAforever (Reply 2):
I also hope that they are still successful against the giant that LAN-TAM will become!


I get the feeling that Pluna are benefiting from TAM - isn't there some sort of code share between the two? Recently I was able to book PLUNA through TAM's website as part of a larger TAM itinerary.


Dan  



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3046 times:
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Quoting Pu752 (Reply 5):
Planes are leaving to ASU, CWB, POA, SBFI, with no more than 30pax.

If CWB performs that way, why is PU looking to increase flights there ?

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 7):
I get the feeling that Pluna are benefiting from TAM - isn't there some sort of code share between the two? Recently I was able to book PLUNA through TAM's website as part of a larger TAM itinerary

What i heard is that many routes are doing very well, some with clear demand for more flights.



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User currently offlineCamiloA380 From Sweden, joined Feb 2008, 486 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3009 times:

Quoting Pu752 (Reply 5):
Planes are leaving to ASU, CWB, POA, SBFI, with no more than 30pax.



I dont think this is true, PU should have closed those routes for long time ago if so.



I think Pluna have done it very clear that regional aircrafts are very efficient in South America, but why bigger airlines like TAN, LAN or even GOL dont buy planes such as E170s or smaller, just strikes me.



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User currently offlineCamiloA380 From Sweden, joined Feb 2008, 486 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3003 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 7):
I get the feeling that Pluna are benefiting from TAM - isn't there some sort of code share between the two? Recently I was able to book PLUNA through TAM's website as part of a larger TAM itinerary.

PU has a codeshare agreement with JJ in GRU-MVD-GRU



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11722 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2975 times:

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 10):
PU has a codeshare agreement with JJ in GRU-MVD-GRU

Thank you, I thought so. Presumably they also codeshare on MVD-GIG-MVD, as this was another possible routing which showed up.


Dan  



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User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4070 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2904 times:

Quoting Pu752 (Reply 5):
However, routes to Brazil are also flown by argentine pilots under callsign, such as "pluna" with planes registered under (CX).

Things are not as they appear, having new planes, with nice livery, doesn't show pluna's actually financial situation... its bad, really bad.

Planes are leaving to ASU, CWB, POA, SBFI, with no more than 30pax

Can you clarify how these issues are linked together? I am reading three messages above: Pluna is not following the rule on pilots, its financial situation is poor and the load factors are low.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 8):
If CWB performs that way, why is PU looking to increase flights there ?

I think when it comes to load factors, this is probably accurate. Pluna's cumulative load factor at CWB since it started operations is below 50%.

But one has to consider that the operating cost of the CRJ-900 is very low. My estimate is that one leg of CWB-MVD direct operating costs are between 5,000 and 6,000 USD. If they fill up the airplane with an average fare of $100, they do well. More likely they have 10-20 pax per flight paying a lot more, and the rest is gravy.



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User currently offlineAwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2859 times:

Pluna is taking too long to launch MVD-BSB.

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2764 times:
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Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 9):

I think Pluna have done it very clear that regional aircrafts are very efficient in South America, but why bigger airlines like TAN, LAN or even GOL dont buy planes such as E170s or smaller, just strikes me.

I don't know the answer for that, but for sure TAM and LAN mainly, would be

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 11):
Thank you, I thought so. Presumably they also codeshare on MVD-GIG-MVD, as this was another possible routing which showed up.

Now there's a good chance for that as with 2 MVD-GIG, the potential for connections become more interesting, but the MVD-GIG in the night, if arriving earlier, would be perfect for JJ. Currently MVD-GIG could only connect to LHR. But GIG-MVD early morning is perfect from JFK, FRA, LHR and CDG.

Quoting incitatus (Reply 12):
I think when it comes to load factors, this is probably accurate. Pluna's cumulative load factor at CWB since it started operations is below 50%.

But one has to consider that the operating cost of the CRJ-900 is very low. My estimate is that one leg of CWB-MVD direct operating costs are between 5,000 and 6,000 USD. If they fill up the airplane with an average fare of $100, they do well. More likely they have 10-20 pax per flight paying a lot more, and the rest is gravy.

if that's true, we couldn't see more flights, don't you agree ? It need to be something. Interesting that PU begin CWB as a stop from GIG in a 4x weekly schedule.

Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 13):
Pluna is taking too long to launch MVD-BSB.

Agree, but i also think that they could run flights to CNF and VCP.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4620 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2690 times:

Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 13):
Pluna is taking too long to launch MVD-BSB.

EZE-BSB seems to be a larger market than MVD-BSB.
Even so, neither Buenos Aires nor Montevideo is connected to Brasilia as non-stop operations.

Regards.



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User currently offlineAwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2667 times:

SJOtoLIR,
JJ used to operate 320 (156 seats per flight) on EZE-BSB daily.
The service PU can offer would have a much lower capacity (90 seats per flight), which is appropriate for the market.
Rgds,

[Edited 2010-08-22 18:16:05]

User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4620 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2630 times:

Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 16):
JJ used to operate 320 (156 seats per flight) on EZE-BSB daily.
The service PU can offer would have a much lower capacity (90 seats per flight), which is appropriate for the market.

The [EZE-BSB] daily-service is not available by now based on amadeus.net.
If that route has been axed, it's not precisely a good sign to think that [MVD-BSB] would work better, even taking into account the utilization of the 90-seater CRJ-900s.

Regards.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 17):
If that route has been axed, it's not precisely a good sign to think that [MVD-BSB] would work better, even taking into account the utilization of the 90-seater CRJ-900s.

BSB-EZE was axed because JJ couldn't add another GRU-BUE flight under the current Brazil-Argentina bilateral agreement. The limitation is part of the explanation why PU us doing so well.


User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4070 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 14):
if that's true, we couldn't see more flights, don't you agree ?

Not necessarily. The logic airlines use to increase service is not "add frequency when load factors are high". In the case of CWB, it might as well be that high-fare passengers are flowing through POA or GRU in the days Pluna has no service. By fillling in the schedule to daily passengers Pluna will attract passengers not flying on them now.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week ago) and read 2449 times:
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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 17):
The [EZE-BSB] daily-service is not available by now based on amadeus.net.
If that route has been axed, it's not precisely a good sign to think that [MVD-BSB] would work better, even taking into account the utilization of the 90-seater CRJ-900s.

There's no way BSB could not take care of a daily flight to MVD, but it would demand a lot of connections to Buenos Aires and Santiago.

Quoting incitatus (Reply 19):
Not necessarily. The logic airlines use to increase service is not "add frequency when load factors are high".

Agree with that, but unless CWB shows very nice yields, or a good combination of load (revenue) and profit (yield) to explain why they would upgrade the route. Even yields going thru other routes, could not be a good idea as the general result could not be so good.



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User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

Very good news. PU will also operate MVD-FLN seasonal and SCL-FLN, both are very attractive market during IATA Winter. Also got info that AR requested to operate AEP-NVT.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2253 times:
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Quoting hardiwv (Reply 21):
Very good news. PU will also operate MVD-FLN seasonal and SCL-FLN, both are very attractive market during IATA Winter. Also got info that AR requested to operate AEP-NVT.

You reminded about two good product PU will offer. They are taking advantage of the lack of flights on the South cone for some markets.



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User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 22):
You reminded about two good product PU will offer. They are taking advantage of the lack of flights on the South cone for some markets.

Also the fact they have regional jets with up to 100 seats allow them to offer better schedule (2 x day for example), see GIG which will soon get 2 daily departures. GIG-MVD allows for a lot of good timed connections including SCL. GIG-MVD-SCL as as quick as LA GIG-GRU-MVD!

Rgs,


User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 23):
GIG-MVD-SCL as as quick as LA GIG-GRU-MVD!

Sorry, I meant flying PU GIG-MVD-SCL is as quick as flying LA or JJ GIG-GRU-SCL. I am sure PU will capture a good amount of connections from GIG.

Rgs,


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