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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25069 posts, RR: 46
Posted (4 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5362 times:

The Air Transport Association this week came out with its 2010 economic report which contained airline performance metrics which might be of interest.


Top US Airline 2009 per Departures (thousands)
1. Southwest 1,126
2. Delta 849
3. American 683
4. SkyWest 571
5. American Eagle 461
6. US Airways 461
7. United 435
8. ExpressJet 361
9. Continental 346
10. FedEx 334

Top US Airlines 2009 per Enplanements (millions)
1. Delta 108.6
2. Southwest 101.3
3. American 86.7
4. United 66.0
5. US Airways 61.0
6. Continental 43.9
7. AirTran 24.0
8. JetBlue 22.4
9. SkyWest 21.2
10. American Eagle 16.0

Top US Airlines 2009 per Revenue Passenger Miles (billions)
1. Delta 162.8
2. American 122.4
3. United 100.3
4. Continental 77.7
5. Southwest 74.5
6. US Airways 67.9
7. JetBlue 25.9
8. AirTran 18.6
9. Alaska 18.3
10. SkyWest 11.7

Top US Airlines 2009 in Cargo Revenue Ton Miles (millions)
1. FedEx 9,685
2. UPS 6,467
3. Atlas 2,381
4. Delta 2,287
5. American 1,664
6. United 1,603
7. Polar 1,215
8. Southern 1,019
9. Kalitta 945
10. Continental 901

Top US Airlines 2009 in Operating Revenues (millions)
1. Delta $28,910
2. FedEx 19,963
3. American 19,898
4. United 16,359
5. Continental 12,361
6. US Airways 10,781
7. Southwest 10,350
8. UPS 4,421
9. JetBlue 3,287
10. Alaska 3,006

Full report (including top 25 in all categories) can be viewed at http://airlines.org


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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1529 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5087 times:

Wow, I'm surprised to see some regionals on the list, I never realized how big OO and MQ really are. I'm also somewhat surprised how much cargo DL is carrying. I know they've been touting their "renewed focus" on cargo, but I had no idea that they carried almost as much as Atlas, although I don't think Atlas is that huge. I'm assuming a lot of that lift came from former NW contracts? Anyway, very interesting info, thanks for sharing.

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5059 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
4. SkyWest 571

Wow. And they only continue to grow.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):

Top US Airlines 2009 in Cargo Revenue Ton Miles (millions)
1. FedEx 9,685
2. UPS 6,467
3. Atlas 2,381
4. Delta 2,287
5. American 1,664
6. United 1,603
7. Polar 1,215
8. Southern 1,019
9. Kalitta 945
10. Continental 901

Seems like DL is still hauling A LOT of freight, although now only in the belly of a/c. Still, quite impressive. I'm guessing since this is all of 2010, most of the #s is from when they still had the 742s. Wonder how much they will fall for next year's list.



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5044 times:

Go DELTA !!!! Fly DELTA Jets !!! We love to fly and it shows !!!


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25069 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5036 times:

Yes the Delta cargo numbers are boosted thanks to the former NWA freighter operations which ran till December.
I'm sure the 2010 stats will see DL with significantly less tonnage.



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User currently offlineTPADave From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 62 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4894 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Top US Airlines 2009 per Revenue Passenger Miles (billions)
1. Delta 162.8
2. American 122.4
3. United 100.3
4. Continental 77.7

Nice to see DL's RPMs up there. Hope they can find a way to remain top dog after the CO/UA deal.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4755 times:

Quoting TPADave (Reply 5):
Nice to see DL's RPMs up there. Hope they can find a way to remain top dog after the CO/UA deal.

I think the overall shift for most, if not all majors is this (just from what i've seen with DL):

-Maximize a/c usage
-Reduce 50 seater flying; making cuts in-line with mainline shrinkage
-Upguaging on underserved routes; most notably seeing more F seats (introduction of the CR7s/9s in markets that saw all CR2s in some cases)
-Focus on core markets
-FF retention
-Cabin Enhancement
-(Call me crazy on this one) See which major will drop the first bag fee first. If ever.



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User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4686 times:

Quoting TPADave (Reply 5):
Nice to see DL's RPMs up there. Hope they can find a way to remain top dog after the CO/UA deal.

personally, I hope they focus on developing and maintaining good service and being the best. Biggest is not necessarily the best.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 2):
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
4. SkyWest 571

Wow. And they only continue to grow.

How many of those are SkyWest flights and not a subcontracted flight to a major? For example, if I book it on Delta, I check in at Delta, it says Delta on the aircraft, has a skymiles magazine on board and the F.A's are in Delta uniforms then it sure looks like Delta and not Skywest. Skywest would be nowhere near the size they are without all the regional contracts they have, I don't think it is even possible to book a Skywest ticket you have to go to UA, DL, FL. Fantastic business for them but hardly a standalone airline.


User currently offlinebinmonster From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4686 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
Yes the Delta cargo numbers are boosted thanks to the former NWA freighter operations which ran till December.
I'm sure the 2010 stats will see DL with significantly less tonnage.



The word I am hearing, 2010 Cargo numbers (belly only) are out performing 2009 (mixed freighters / belly)
2010 is looking to be a good year all around for Delta.


User currently offlineTPADave From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 62 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4686 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 6):
-(Call me crazy on this one) See which major will drop the first bag fee first. If ever

I'm with you on that! I suspect in the short term the status quo will remain, however as the economy recovers and airlines look to differentiate themselves I think this may be an easy first step. On the other hand, airlines have grown used to this as a cash cow item and the longer it stays in place the more customers will get used to coming to the airport and opening a vein while the airline drinks.

Just look to Southwest as an example of one carrier making a name for themselves over free bags...


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4627 times:

Quoting BD338 (Reply 7):
How many of those are SkyWest flights and not a subcontracted flight to a major? For example, if I book it on Delta, I check in at Delta, it says Delta on the aircraft, has a skymiles magazine on board and the F.A's are in Delta uniforms then it sure looks like Delta and not Skywest. Skywest would be nowhere near the size they are without all the regional contracts they have, I don't think it is even possible to book a Skywest ticket you have to go to UA, DL, FL. Fantastic business for them but hardly a standalone airline.

Noone ever said they were...or is trying to make them look like these are their flights.

The point is they are #4 for departures system wide, period.



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User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4595 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 10):
Noone ever said they were...or is trying to make them look like these are their flights.

The point is they are #4 for departures system wide, period.

Skywest are listed as the #4 airline for departures, fact is it is impossible to buy a Skywest ticket. I have no issue with Skywest, in fact the vast majority of my flights are on Skywest but I question how many of the 'general public' realize they are flying on a Skywest aircraft rather then an actual Delta (in the case of my flights) owned aircraft/crew etc.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4559 times:

Quoting BD338 (Reply 11):
Skywest are listed as the #4 airline for departures, fact is it is impossible to buy a Skywest ticket. I have no issue with Skywest, in fact the vast majority of my flights are on Skywest but I question how many of the 'general public' realize they are flying on a Skywest aircraft rather then an actual Delta (in the case of my flights) owned aircraft/crew etc.

I agree with most of what you said save the last part. SkyWest actually owns quite a few of their a/c flying around or are the actual lease holders of the ones owned by banks. Many others actually sub-lease from the bank through DL or their respective mainline partner. Also, the crew is all OO, not sure how DL fits into that.



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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

Interesting to see that if UA and CO were merged, DL would still come out ahead of it in departures (not so surprising) and overall revenues (surprising to me).

Soon we will have an interesting market dynamic where UA and DL are nearly exactly the same size, and AA is much smaller than either but also much bigger than anyone else.

As for surprise at the size of OO and MQ -- in 2001 AMR was the first company to ever own three major US airlines by the FAA's definition of over $1 billion in annual revenues (AA, TW, MQ).



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2752 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

Do they give, or is there any way to get, this same info on foreign carriers, but only in terms of their service as it concerns the U.S.? I think that this could be somewhat tricky and difficult to put together. The numbers would be nowhere as big, but it would be curious to see these metrics with foreign carriers in the U.S and their relative strength.

But just guessing at this, I would imaging that AC, BA and LH would be up there.


User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1553 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4389 times:

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 13):
Soon we will have an interesting market dynamic where UA and DL are nearly exactly the same size, and AA is much smaller than either but also much bigger than anyone else.

And AA used to always big the big dog before DL/NW and UA/CO. Interesting how times change.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

By all metrics, AA will still be a pretty robust carrier.


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User currently offlineTPADave From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 62 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4111 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 14):
Do they give, or is there any way to get, this same info on foreign carriers, but only in terms of their service as it concerns the U.S.? I think that this could be somewhat tricky and difficult to put together. The numbers would be nowhere as big, but it would be curious to see these metrics with foreign carriers in the U.S and their relative strength.

But just guessing at this, I would imaging that AC, BA and LH would be up there.

In terms of enplanements see below for 2009 numbers:

1. BA 5.622 million
2. LH 4.787
3. AC 4.763
4. AF 3.559

Source: http://www.bts.gov/press_releases/2010/bts015_10/html/bts015_10.html

I'm surprised AC wasn't number one. I figured with all the destinations and frequencies they'd be first (even with smaller aircraft).


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2752 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4050 times:

Quoting TPADave (Reply 17):

In terms of enplanements see below for 2009 numbers:

1. BA 5.622 million
2. LH 4.787
3. AC 4.763
4. AF 3.559

Source: http://www.bts.gov/press_releases/2010/bts015_10/html/bts015_10.html

I'm surprised AC wasn't number one. I figured with all the destinations and frequencies they'd be first (even with smaller aircraft).

Thanks, I got the top 3 correct, but the order slightly off because of BA by about 25.000(?) or so more passengers that AC.

Yes, a bit surprising that AC isn't the largest as you or I thought. So now thinking about it, I would guess that maybe WS and PD take away more passengers from AC then VS does from BA. Maybe a feasible explanation?


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3788 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 6):
-Focus on core markets

I agree with your comments, though I would slightly modify this one to include "continued focus on core markets and expansion into SELECT new markets"

I think another objective of the mergers is too create a large enough customer base to help support the launch of new routes to compete against foreign carriers in select markets.

Quoting TPADave (Reply 17):
Quoting point2point (Reply 14):
Do they give, or is there any way to get, this same info on foreign carriers, but only in terms of their service as it concerns the U.S.? I think that this could be somewhat tricky and difficult to put together. The numbers would be nowhere as big, but it would be curious to see these metrics with foreign carriers in the U.S and their relative strength.

But just guessing at this, I would imaging that AC, BA and LH would be up there.

In terms of enplanements see below for 2009 numbers:

1. BA 5.622 million
2. LH 4.787
3. AC 4.763
4. AF 3.559

Source: http://www.bts.gov/press_releases/2010/bts015_10/html/bts015_10.html

I'm surprised AC wasn't number one. I figured with all the destinations and frequencies they'd be first (even with smaller aircraft).

I'm sure the automobile plays a big role here.


User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3385 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3735 times:

Quoting TPADave (Reply 5):
Nice to see DL's RPMs up there. Hope they can find a way to remain top dog after the CO/UA deal.

I'd rather us be the best, as opposed to just the biggest.

Quoting binmonster (Reply 8):
The word I am hearing, 2010 Cargo numbers (belly only) are out performing 2009 (mixed freighters / belly)

It's incremental, but I have to think that a lot of stations that are now accepting "regular" freight (as opposed to just DASH) is contributing to that.

Anywhere the rest of us can check out the most current numbers?



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User currently offlinebinmonster From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 17 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 20):
It's incremental, but I have to think that a lot of stations that are now accepting "regular" freight (as opposed to just DASH) is contributing to that.

Anywhere the rest of us can check out the most current numbers?

That info was past along from Cargo VP Shah during a station visit last week. CVG was awarded the Triple Crown.

One of the big factor this year all the 777LRs in service, ie LAX SYD.

I would look at the next set of finacal reports


User currently offlineTPADave From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 62 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 15 hours ago) and read 3409 times:

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 20):
I'd rather us be the best, as opposed to just the biggest

Oh that goes without saying, but in terms of available metrics I'm just happy seeing the RPM figures. Frankly even if UA/CO surpasses DL as far as size, I think DL's people and customer experience will continue to make them the best. Hopefully that will be reflected in the surveys.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25069 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (4 years 13 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 20):
Anywhere the rest of us can check out the most current numbers?

You can look at things like 10Q's.

Cargo revenue increased $29 million(+8%) due to higher cargo yield and international volume, partially offset by capacity reductions. Previous results for the six months ended June 30, 2009 include the operations of dedicated freighter B-747-200F aircraft, which we retired during 2009.

But in general as an industry cargo tonnage is up 30%, and yields 20%+ from the lows experienced in 2009, however Delta will never break the tonnage it could have managed during days of the NWA cargo fleet as it simply does not capacity in the remaining belly fleet.
But being smaller is not bad, hopefully it mean improved profitability as the NWA freighter fleet was reported to be loss making the last couple years especially after the loss of the DHL business to Polar. As indicated above DL managed more revenue on reduced capacity which is a good thing.

As comparison for OALs:
AA tonnage +20.1%, revenue +26.5%
CO tonnage +30.2%, revenue 27.5%
UA tonnage +39%, revenue +41.6%



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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 13 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 15):
And AA used to always big the big dog before DL/NW and UA/CO. Interesting how times change.

I wouldn't say "always." UA was traditionally bigger than AA (before the TW merger), was it not?

In the "old days" the results were much more varied depending on what metrics you used; e.g. EA was once the biggest by passengers carried and AL even had ad campaigns touting itself as "bigger" than the likes of AA, PA and TW by various measures (though I'm not sure it was ever biggest in any category). Examples here, here and here.



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25 nwaesc : Thanks for the info, but I meant somewhere to look in the interim for MTD, YTD, or YOY stats. I'm an avid reader (and thank you), but see above.
26 LAXintl : Yes DOT has some stuff. Summary of Cargo Revenue Tons Enplaned (in thousands) for the first 5mos of 2010: American - 218,576 Atlas - 324,488 Continent
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