kl5147 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 301 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 21236 times:
Dutch newspaper "het Parool" wrote today (friday August 20th) that MP will cease passenger flights. MP will choose internally during September which company KL or HV will take over their pax-flights. "Mother" KL will decide on September 23th. So after 52 years MP will continue as an all cargo operator. What will happen to the B767's is unsure.
photoshooter From Belgium, joined Feb 2010, 353 posts, RR: 21 Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 20838 times:
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Well I was expecting this moment to be honest.
With KL and Arkefly flying allmost the same routes, the
competition is pretty big. And I don't think HV wants to
take over their B767's since they want to keep their
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Aviationfreak From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 46 Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16847 times:
Well, who knows we'll see 332 in HV colors in the future. Would be a nice change seeing only HV 737's here at AMS.
MP began charter flights 52 years ago and for years they were quite a big player in the holiday/charter business. At some point they had DC10, 767, and 757 a/c in the fleet. This is the time I had had my very first flight ever on a MP DC10 when I was eleven years old. Sadly for a few years now cargo is their core business....
[Edited 2010-08-20 23:12:15]
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MCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 518 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16761 times:
Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 8): I used to fly MP a lot. Sad to see them go, but on the contrary I would like to see a KL plane here at MCO.
I second that! It would be nice to see some KL metal at MCO. I flew MP a couple of times AMS-MCO on the MD11, that was always fun . From what I understand MP doesn't do much in the way of passenger ops anyway now as it is. Sad indeed, if this turns out to be the case.
LJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4140 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16512 times:
Quoting Aviationfreak (Reply 9):
MP began charter flights 52 years ago and for years they were quite a big player in the holiday/charter business. At some point they had DC10, 767, and 757 a/c in the fleet.
AMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1689 posts, RR: 12 Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16404 times:
Quoting LJ (Reply 14):
And F28s and A310s and MD-83s and 747-200s...
You can also add the A320 which MP flew for a short amount of time. Martinair used to be an active charter company in the last 50+ years, On the bright side the Cargo operations have been quite profitable for MP.
frigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1194 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15395 times:
Quoting anstar (Reply 17): Well it makes sense. I mean do they really NEED 3 brands?
I agree. Why keep a separate brand for just a few pax destinations with 4 oddball 767's? Which should have been replaced years ago, they're old and tired and will end up in the desert like the ones that left the fleet last year. The fact that not even a replacement was ordered says enough. There were rumors about some A330 or A343 leftovers from KL or AF, but as said, why keep them under a separate brand?
And I'm not sad to see them go. The last flight I had with MP years ago was MCO-AMS on a 767 with 2-4-2 seating, an absolute horror on an 8-hour flight For the people working with pax ops at MP it is sad, but I'm sure the unions will make sure they end up at KL or HV, there will be no job losses. In these times, that is quite something and they can be relieved with..
MP needs to concentrate on cargo, it's a strong brand in this area. They can soldier on with MD11F's en 744F's for a while and then switch to 777F and/or hopefully 748F AF and KL should abandon their dedicated cargo planes and stick to belly freight only. I believe they already are in the process of doing that, transferring all to MP cargo.
LJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4140 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15116 times:
Quoting Owleye (Reply 13): Yeah, it's sad. MP was the best Dutch pax airline ever!! Mixed feelings for founder Martin Schröder these days.
I disagree, MP never was the best Dutch pax airline. Air Holland was probably the best (though I haven't flown Arkefly and Amsterdam Airlines as I don't fly charters anymore). I preferred HV above MP as HV crew was usually more friendly.
MP axing pax flights is something which was to be expected years ago. I'm surprised they have kept those pax flights for so long. After the merger of the offices, merger of both HV and MP brands wouldn't come as a surprise.
Quoting Aviationfreak (Reply 9): Well, who knows we'll see 332 in HV colors in the future. Would be a nice change seeing only HV 737's here at AMS.
Would also be a return of the widebody in the HV fleet (who would have thought this would happen years ago)