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Possible New Startup Airline: California Airlines  
User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 797 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10457 times:
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Look at this! Here's another upstart. This guy wants to start up a new airline,using 744s flying
between LAX-HNL-Tokyo. An upstart between LAX-Japan would get eaten alive!!

Here's the article:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...pilot-aims-to-start-long-distance/

Take a look at their website:

flycaair.com/ -

What do you think?

[Edited 2010-08-20 17:37:06]


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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2668 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10447 times:

Never happen..... where do people come up with this stuff...

He wants it started in a year??



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User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 797 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10428 times:
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I agree. This doesn't appear to be another "Family Airlines,"but I don't see this going anywhere.


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User currently offlineboeing6594 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10228 times:

Maybe them and California Pacific can codeshare haha!

User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5440 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10209 times:

Quoting boeing6594 (Reply 3):
Maybe them and California Pacific can codeshare haha

I would not compare this nonsense with CP in any way; CP has a good chance of launching, and of still being around in a few years.

It's always nice to know there are people sitting around with enough money to even think of such a ridiculous way to spend (a lot of!) it.

bb


User currently offlineboeing6594 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10151 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):

Oh I 100% agree with you, I was joking, there is no way that this could launch. From the looks of the website, and the openings offered, it looks like one guy is running the entire operation right now.

-Matt


User currently onlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2045 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10139 times:

I saw this information on another web site. They were looking for 747 to start service with. What drugs do this people take. People can't pay their home mortgages, but they can come up with money to start an airline with no chance in hell of getting off the ground. The if they do, they drive it into the ground just as fast.


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User currently offlinemetjetceo From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10099 times:

For several reasons I am not one to fault startups...however the one thing I will point out is that a company has to have an established profit and minimum income prior to an IPO being offered. To say an IPO of $30 Million will occur requires them be in business prior to even submitting a paperwork.

User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 797 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10065 times:
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Does he think he really have a chance of flying out of LAX to Tokyo? C'mon! LAX has AA,UA,DL, JAL,and ANA
all flying to Japan,in addition to other Asian carriers with easy connections to Japan. A storefront office and the
plans to use 744 aircraft sends up a BIG red flag!   

This guy's aiming WAAAY too high!



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User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7569 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9973 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
It's always nice to know there are people sitting around with enough money to even think of such a ridiculous way to spend (a lot of!) it.

We had one over here. It operated HKG-LGW effectively competing directly with BA, CX and VS. Fortunately it survived just long enough to participate in the annual Airbourne show at Eastbourne on the coast south of London:

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Flying two or three hundred yards off shore with the heavier less manoeuvrable aircraft below the Beachy Head headland it is a spectacular sight.

The show and Beach head is a great place to get photos that almost look like air-to-air shots without leaving terra firma. The headland is 530 feet above sea level and the flight line is just beyond the end of Eastbourne Pier which is about 1000 feet long:

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Beachy Head is the right hand headland in the top large photo here:

http://www.beachyhead.org.uk/about_the_area.html

Eastbourne and Eastbourne pier are just off the photo beyond Beachy Head.


User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9775 times:

It sounds too easy to be true

BUT

If he keeps costs to an absolute bare bones operation, like the office in the link there are a few scenarios

1. Ryanair type operation
2. 580-600 passengers on a 747
3. 3-4 times weekely service
4. Strong budget demand LAX-HNL and then strong budget demand from the Japanese market Tokyo-HNL

If he is really smart half the seats could be sold well in advance with holiday package deals



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User currently offlineN809FR From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 182 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9622 times:

I personally do not see this getting anywhere. Are there B744M's just sitting in VCV currently? Does LA have enough O&D traffic to support the complete lack of connecting opportunities available for the LAX-HNL flight?

User currently offlinepink77W From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9388 times:

For this to work, it would have to have some
Kind of wierd angle. I have no idea what.
Remember what everybody said about a little
Company with a little orange 737 out of TX
I think?


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9300 times:

Quoting vv701 (Reply 9):
We had one over here. It operated HKG-LGW effectively competing directly with BA, CX and VS. Fortunately it survived just long enough to participate in the annual Airbourne show at Eastbourne on the coast south of London:

If they hadn't gone running after premium pax who just weren't interested, then they'd probably still be around now.

Put as many economy seats as possible onboard, whilst still maintaining a reasonable pitch, and it's got a chance.


Dan  



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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9163 times:

This guys a nutjob...there's no way...


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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4329 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8975 times:

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 10):
If he keeps costs to an absolute bare bones operation, like the office in the link there are a few scenarios

1. Ryanair type operation
2. 580-600 passengers on a 747
3. 3-4 times weekely service
4. Strong budget demand LAX-HNL and then strong budget demand from the Japanese market Tokyo-HNL

The problem with long haul flights is, there are still lots of costs, overhaul, certification, overnight costs of crews in hotels, ground staff and airport security, fuel, to be made. If you devide these to 600 passengers on a single flight, you still end up say around 400 USD one way. The current airlines have deep pockets and can offer these sort of prices too for part of their flights, sponsored by the full economy and business pax and other flights. So if you have a delay or bankruptcy prone 'California Airlines' without FF program, no free food, no free luggage, no connections and you have AA or CX or CI who offer all this for maybe 50 dollar more who would you choose?
The costs and price difference Ryanair or Air Asia can offer on short flights compared to the old mainlines is much more different then on long haul. That's why most of them except Air Asia X and Jetstar seem to fail.



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User currently offlineursh From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8267 times:

I wish him and all others lots of success and luck. We certainly need change. As it is most of the US airliners rip the customers off where ever their can. I could not get any worse.

User currently offlineaf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2692 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8181 times:

Quoting ursh (Reply 16):

Every US airline could follow Spirit's carry-on bag fee. People complain about the fees, so if airlines drop the fees or reduce them and increase the price of tickets and people will still complain. But I think for at least domestic flights, the bag fees should be reduced, I don't really care about the other fees.

Aren't there enough flights across the Pacific, for now at least?



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User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 661 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8134 times:

Quoting N809FR (Reply 11):

I know in MZJ there are over 2 dozen 744 waiting for work.....I was there last week!


User currently offlineN809FR From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 182 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8050 times:

Quoting xdlx (Reply 18):
I know in MZJ there are over 2 dozen 744 waiting for work.....I was there last week!

The question is, on the website it makes it sound like they want to use Combi's, so are there any sitting out for the taking?


User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 797 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6914 times:
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Quoting pink77W (Reply 12):
Remember what everybody said about a little
Company with a little orange 737 out of TX
I think?

They started out small, to about three cities and gradually expanded. This airline's starting out
big and wants to step into a large,oversaturated market. That little company you're referring to
already had a business model and a plan in place when they started. (modelled after PSA.)



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6688 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5143 times:

This is a more general question, but how a one plane airline deals with the thing going tech ?

Here, that would mean a lot of stranded PAX !



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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3312 posts, RR: 45
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5103 times:

Quoting ursh (Reply 16):
We certainly need change. As it is most of the US airliners rip the customers off where ever their
can. I could not get any worse.

Oh Jesus. Here we go again. At the risk of getting off topic, this needs to be addressed.

From an economic standpoint, airlines like these are a part of the problem, not solution. Skybus was a great example. It never had a shot in hell to succeed, and during its short time in operation, it drug prices down, forcing airlines to offer fares that couldn't cover their costs. If they were competing against an airline that was legitimately making money, I wouldn't have the slightest problem with it, but if it's just going to force established airlines to lose money before going belly-up itself, it shouldn't ever see the light of day. That kind of business is BAD for the industry.

Consolidation is what the US aviation industry needs. Thankfully, we're seeing it. If you want to stop being nickel-and-dimed, less competition is better. While not better for the consumer directly, ticket prices have to come up. They're unsustainably low in many instances. When airlines can start selling tickets again that cover their costs, you'll stop seeing a la carte pricing.

But for many, it actually results in a better deal, if you can remember to factor stuff in. Why should you pay extra for stuff you don't want (airplane food, a checked bag etc...)? It's simply the fact that you used to get all of that with a ticket price, and all of a sudden you feel like you're being ripped off. Meanwhile, ticket prices continue to slide.

Can't have your cake and eat it, too.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4997 times:

Well i for one hope he gets it up and running. I dont think its a great business idea but im an aviation enthusiast and the more new airlines painting new planes in new colours the better for me to look at. ciao!

User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4964 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 22):

From an economic standpoint, airlines like these are a part of the problem, not solution. Skybus was a great example. It never had a shot in hell to succeed, and during its short time in operation, it drug prices down, forcing airlines to offer fares that couldn't cover their costs. If they were competing against an airline that was legitimately making money, I wouldn't have the slightest problem with it, but if it's just going to force established airlines to lose money before going belly-up itself, it shouldn't ever see the light of day. That kind of business is BAD for the industry.

Just like Virgin America   

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 22):
When airlines can start selling tickets again that cover their costs, you'll stop seeing a la carte pricing.

Even if that where to happen ala carte is here to stay...



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