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Qatar's Next ULH 77L Destination?  
User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1880 posts, RR: 10
Posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10180 times:

QR currently has 8 777-200LR.

2x MEL
2x IAH
2x GRU, EZE

and the remaining two are scheduled for various destinations such as South Africa, Manila, Bangkok for various dates.

With two 77L's not used for ULH operations, QR obviously has a big announcement coming up!

Will it be Sydney, LAX, Chicago, or perhaps a delink to the GRU-EZE flight?

What is more logical choice. Personally SYD might be the next destination as QR have said many times that it would fly there. But, SYD can always be done with a 77W. I would love it if QR would fly to LAX!

What do you think?


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User currently offlineAirMale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10036 times:

I think the next ULH destinations should be the US west coast, or start pax service to ORD (along with the newly introduced cargo flights).


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User currently offlinebaw716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10000 times:

My guess would be LAX, since Emirates operates a ULH flight to Dubai (and is garnering significantly more $$ per seat than other carriers). QR going there would be an excellent competitive alternative to EK, who have the awful 10 across seating, even on their 77Ls.

baw716



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9770 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter):
What is more logical choice. Personally SYD might be the next destination as QR have said many times that it would fly there. But, SYD can always be done with a 77W. I would love it if QR would fly to LAX!

Not likely, considering the QR CEO's SYD 'saturation' comments last year.

Adding to that, DOH-MEL is actually shorter than DOH-SYD, which means that either the 77W is just not preferred for the route, or the 77W would struggle to economically operate either service.


Great Circle Mapper Details:

From To Initial Heading Distance
MEL (37°40'24"S 144°50'36"E) DOH (25°15'40"N 51°33'54"E) 288° (W) 7427 mi
SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) DOH (25°15'40"N 51°33'54"E) 286° (W) 7689 mi


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9746 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter):
I would love it if QR would fly to LAX!

I agree but think they will go with SYD but I hope I'm wrong......

The777Man



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9734 times:

I think LAX might very well be next.

They will try and consolidate MEL first before SYD. PER is likely to be on their agenda before SYD is.


User currently offlineN809FR From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 182 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9724 times:

DOH-DEN    One can dream, right?

User currently offlinedalca From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9482 times:

I'm going for ORD since it's one of the few markets EK are not yet in. Though EY is I'm guessing there are enough pax to go around for both of them.


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User currently offlinepink77W From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9455 times:

SFO one can dream left?

User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4824 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9378 times:

If commercial and economic sense is to be applied, then ORD is the best choice for a new ULH destination for QR's network. The one big advantage that QR will have over EY in ORD is that their DOH-ORD flights will connect to KTM/BKK/SIN/KUL/CGK/DPS in both directions conveniently + UA-QR are very close versus the closeness of AA-EY.

User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2980 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9033 times:

I'm strongly believe it would be ORD or SFO.


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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6182 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8980 times:

Quoting pink77W (Reply 8):
Quoting ojas (Reply 10):

SFO officials have met with Qatar before. so anything is possible



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User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8946 times:

Any possibility of flights to YYZ....?

User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6291 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days ago) and read 8621 times:

they could really surprise everyone with a MIA or a DFW.....both could support the flight....or they could add a second IAH with a tag to MEX ....this would really tick EK off....


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User currently onlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3694 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8204 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 13):
or they could add a second IAH with a tag to MEX ....this would really tick EK off....

And CO and AM as well! A 77L would be a nice way to do IAH-MEX!



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User currently offlinepnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2276 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7343 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 12):
Any possibility of flights to YYZ....?

I am not sure the status of a bilateral between Canada and Qatar.

With the 77L it isn't always the distance but sometimes a shorter flight with maximum cargo that makes the most sense. ULH may have some cargo penalties whereas a regular long distance flight loaded to the max sometimes makes the best financial return.


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5126 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7056 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 3):
Adding to that, DOH-MEL is actually shorter than DOH-SYD, which means that either the 77W is just not preferred for the route, or the 77W would struggle to economically operate either service.

MEL-DOH is some 400nm shorter than LAX-MEL and if a VOZ 77W can do LAX-MEL with a full passenger load, 18.5t of freight with an average 18K wind on the nose and land with 12.5t of fuel then MEL-DOH is a breeze.


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1880 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6923 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 9):



If commercial and economic sense is to be applied, then ORD is the best choice for a new ULH destination for QR's network. The one big advantage that QR will have over EY in ORD is that their DOH-ORD flights will connect to KTM/BKK/SIN/KUL/CGK/DPS in both directions conveniently UA-QR are very close versus the closeness of AA-EY.

I think LAX has even a better chance of sucess than ORD since EK is adding their 2nd daily flight there. A LOT of Arabs and from the Indian Subcontinent in the West Coast fly by Dubai when going to their destinations. Plus, believe it or not, QR is pretty famous in the States! Most "regular" people have never heard of QATAR, the country; but they have heard of QATAR AIRWAYS. A lot of them actually think its a private jet, luxury airline!

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 15):
I am not sure the status of a bilateral between Canada and Qatar.

Qatar does not have any bilaterals with Canada  



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User currently offlineAirMale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6610 times:

QR is pretty famous in the states? Really? What do our US A.netters say to that?


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User currently offlineTPADave From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 63 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6589 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 17):
QR is pretty famous in the States! Most "regular" people have never heard of QATAR, the country; but they have heard of QATAR AIRWAYS. A lot of them actually think its a private jet, luxury airline!
Quoting AirMale (Reply 18):
QR is pretty famous in the states? Really? What do our US A.netters say to that?

While I'm personally aware of QR and have positive feelings toward the carrier, IMO most "regular" Americans would know EK in much higher numbers than QR. I just don't think QR has all that much exposure in the U.S. compared with the giant persona that EK has shaped.


User currently offlineCamiloA380 From Sweden, joined Feb 2008, 486 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6544 times:

It will be either SYD, PER or LAX imo. The three biggest markets that QR has to enter.


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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4824 posts, RR: 44
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6491 times:

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 20):
It will be either SYD, PER or LAX imo.

Perth? You gotta be kidding me!!! What a waste...


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1880 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6466 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 21):
Perth? You gotta be kidding me!!! What a waste...

Perth I think could be done with an A330-200. So, why waste a 77L on it. I agree that a US west coast route is the better one!



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6439 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 21):
Perth? You gotta be kidding me!!! What a waste...

I do not think the comment was made about using a 777L, it was a destination specific response. PER is likely to be favoured as the next Australian destination over SYD. That was likely the point that was being made, irrespective of the a/c utilised.


User currently offlineff22DXB From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6427 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 13):
second IAH with a tag to MEX

That would be great for me!! I guess it would only work with 5th freedom rights, otherwise I don't see why tag MEX.


25 Post contains images solnabo : Here´s a thought: Why not 140-150 seat config on QR 77L and they can fly almost all over the world non-stop. What do you think? My
26 yellowtail : Because MEX is a huge market....but the 77L would be unable to make it out of MEX with a full load due to the hot/high. Either EK or QR will get ther
27 connies4ever : I'm thinking YYZ myself, and that the bilateral agreement and purchase of the CSeries being rolled up into a single package.
28 ff22DXB : Agree, MEX is a huge market. In MEX the problem is more the high, hot is not really an issue, specially at nights. The problem here would be the tag,
29 aznmadsci : Would it be harder to get 5th freedom now? Back in the 80's, I want to say AF and KL did IAH-MEX tag from CDG and AMS, respectively. But that was bef
30 EddieDude : Exactly. IB also did MAD-YUL-MEX for that very reason. And AM flew to Europe sometimes via MIA with traffic rights. A very notorious 5th freedom flig
31 N809FR : I know a lot of people who will fly into Canada to avoid having to transit in the United States, my friends from Germany would fly STR-FRA-YVR-HNL spe
32 EddieDude : Well, in that case, they still need to go through U.S. immigration and customs at YVR. So it is pretty much the same. The most unpleasant U.S. Homela
33 dalca : Would DOH-MIA-MEX be an option? Tap inot both markets the same time. Could be a first to both destinations.
34 N809FR : Agreed. Are there any major cities in Europe without direct flights with the exception of perhaps smaller German cities? Perhaps QR could tap a small
35 ff22DXB : Sorry, my question was in case of a tag, like MEX-IAH-DOH for example, would you require to recheck your bags and all the issues of connecting in the
36 airbazar : I'd say yes it is. The thing is, most people in the US will never fly anywhere near DOH, so it's all relative to QR's market. I think that amongst th
37 aznmadsci : No worries, just the message got chopped off somewhere. As for your question, that might be something QR would have to negotiate, with whom I do not
38 Viscount724 : Disagree. In my experience, the lines at US immigration on arrival at major US airports are longer than at pre-clearance airports in Canada. A much h
39 EddieDude : Recently UAE and Mexico entered into a bilateral air services agreement, so maybe EK coming to Mexico is getting closer. I dunno. I have not seen the
40 directorguy : Now what about GIG? Currently it's got fewer longhauls since most carriers prefer to fly into GRU. Rio has a large oil-related industry and tourism fr
41 EddieDude : Good point. I was just thinking that. It seems to me like it would be a great idea.
42 ff22DXB : Last time I checked, daily A-332. It's just a matter of time before EK or QR launches GIG. Separating GRU and adding GIG to the EZE sound like a logi
43 Coal : Not unless you are flying from PER to West Africa to mine iron ore. Cheers Coal
44 EddieDude : I read somewhere that IAH was going to implement certain changes and procedures so that international-to-international connecting passengers would no
45 aznmadsci : I know only a select few US airports do this, with IAH the first in the nation to allow this just after they opened the IAB and Terminal E. But for n
46 ACES320 : In fact, Qatar's employ a lot of Americans themselves. People from D.C. are largely employed by the carrier just as a brief example. The Houston arri
47 ff22DXB : Good to know this. Definitely, it will facilitate connections at IAH. I hope one day connecting in the US will be as simple as in some other countrie
48 directorguy : Now a lot of people have suggested LAX/SFO, and I agree that QR would want to get to the West Coast pretty soon. However-is it possible that they'd lo
49 dalca : Would CCS maybe be an option considering the oil that is coming from Venezuela? I know it's a long shot but still maybe. Don't know if the B77L can do
50 GlobalCabotage : If the next destination is in the US, it will be SFO or ORD, simply due to Star Alliance. QR - UA/CO have a much stronger relationship than AA - EY on
51 Post contains images SurfandSnow : Not necessarily. QR may well want to have slack in the 77L fleet so that, should one of the ULH birds go tech, they can easily pull one from the "reg
52 ojas : I don't think so, the 2 new B777-200LRs will be used to open up a new ULH route. As for having a back up aircraft, on a day when they need it, they c
53 Flying Belgian : Anyone knows how their MEL service is doing ? Loadfactors ? As for the next destination, I'm pretty sure it'll be LAX. EK is doing "too" good there to
54 AABB777 : I don't see how QR cannot make LAX their next US destination. They simply cannot stand back and let EK keep getting more engrained in the LAX/West Co
55 smi0006 : The load factors vary depending on the day and the connections offered out of DOH, load are acceptable with QR stating their long term goals are not
56 Post contains links 6thfreedom : http://www.btre.gov.au/info.aspx?ResourceId=211&NodeId=103 LOADS INBOUND/OUTBOUND JAN 93.0 /63.2 FEB 81.9/56.2 MAR 55.5/69.8 APRIL 47.4/69.6 MAY 3
57 GlobalCabotage : If not QR into LAX, why not EY?
58 QatarA340 : Is it normal to have a 38% LF for inbound? And perhaps are most of the people in Y or J? I think 787 is the perfect aircraft for the route if the LF
59 Flying Belgian : Many thanks, interesting link by the way. When you say "inbound" is it Qatar-Australia direction ?
60 QatarA340 : Im assuming its Inbound towards MEL since the site is based in OZ.
61 kaitak : Either of them is more than welcome to pick Dublin as an en route stop; it's not far off the Great Circle. I was wondering about this possibility; bu
62 6thfreedom : May is traditionally a very quiet month for travel to/from Australia. Nothing much happens for European markets. Holidays are over, and June peak has
63 ojas : Right. The 0045 departure from DOH ensures connections from all points in GCC, key points in Africa and more importantly all major EU destinations. P
64 Post contains images lightsaber : If you add IAD to the list, we would be in agreement. I too think SYD is 'saturated' as the MEL-DOH pax load factors suggest. But North America has g
65 AirMale : Why would want QR have the IAD-DXB flight switched to IAD-DOH? This would mean a double daily IAD-DOH? One on QR metal and one on UA? That would be t
66 EddieDude : Good point. YUL and TXL work even better. Hmmm.
67 GlobalCabotage : I did not mention IAD as QR already flies there. Part of the reason that I see the next ULH city as a Star city in the US (ORD and SFO). Also. QR has
68 jupiter2 : The problem with the cargo figures and cargo in general out of Australia, is that the rates ex Australia are very low. Inbound the rates are much hig
69 lightsaber : Once the 'new DOH' opens, much better banking could be done. For optimum feed from North America, double daily would do the job well. Lightsaber
70 Post contains images IndianicWorld : With VA's decision to move onto SYD-AUH, in co-operation with EY, I see QR getting further and furter away for SYD. If the QR CEO said that things we
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