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Qantas Grounds 5 Q400 Ac  
User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 935 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12600 times:

Qantas, after checking landing gear of Q400's have grounded 5 ac.
Source: www.news.com.au/travel/news/qantas-g...elled/story-e6frfg80-1225908223526
What ac are they going to use to replace these Q400 in the short term? - 734's?
What in effect is the problem with these landing gears, and how pricey will it be to fix?


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12540 times:

Quoting TN486 (Thread starter):
What ac are they going to use to replace these Q400 in the short term? - 734's?

QF will operate additional services using B734/B73H to accomadate the affected pax...

EK413



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User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12513 times:

I hear it is an AD from Bombardier. Basically there is a chance the gear wont extend

Heres a link to the actual AD http://www.casa.gov.au/ADFiles/over/dhc-8/CF-2010-23.pdf



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User currently offlineZuluAlpha From Thailand, joined Mar 2010, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12418 times:

Well Residents of MKY and ROK might be happy to see a 734/73H iso a Q400, if they are lucky enough, they have some pretty high frequencies in and out of there


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User currently offlineCuban8 From Kiribati, joined Sep 2009, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12231 times:

Quoting TN486 (Thread starter):
Qantas, after checking landing gear of Q400's have grounded 5 ac.
Source: www.news.com.au/travel/news/qantas-g...elled/story-e6frfg80-1225908223526
What ac are they going to use to replace these Q400 in the short term? - 734's?
What in effect is the problem with these landing gears, and how pricey will it be to fix?

Are these the same problems that SK experienced with their Q400 a few years ago?


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3620 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12145 times:

Quoting Cuban8 (Reply 4):
Are these the same problems that SK experienced with their Q400 a few years ago?

Yep. Don't know if it is the exact same problem but it had to do with the landing gear. SK sent theirs away.



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5703 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 11573 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 5):
Quoting Cuban8 (Reply 4):
Are these the same problems that SK experienced with their Q400 a few years ago?

Yep. Don't know if it is the exact same problem but it had to do with the landing gear. SK sent theirs away.

Well, the general problem appears the same (landing gear extension) but it isn't clear in this thread if it is in any way "the same problems" that SK had.

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User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3148 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 11057 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 6):

Well, the general problem appears the same (landing gear extension) but it isn't clear in this thread if it is in any way "the same problems" that SK had.


From the linked AD this involves a problem with alternate extension requiring a modification of a bumper plate.
SK's issue was with corrosion/electrolysis of a link assembly.
FI indicates it will take a week per plane to make the modification. That sure sounds like a long time to make modification to a couple of bumper plates per plane. Something just does not seem right here either the possibly the wrong AD linked as FI indicated there was no AD issued at this point.

What ever is going on here must be pretty involved to take a week per plane to repair/modify.

Okie


User currently offlinewhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 11037 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 5):
Are these the same problems that SK experienced with their Q400 a few years ago?

Yep. Don't know if it is the exact same problem but it had to do with the landing gear. SK sent theirs away.

Doubt its the same problem unless SK was doing the MTC for Qantas!


User currently offlineN809FR From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 182 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 10787 times:

There always seems to be something popping up with these Q400's, it makes sense why SK wanted them gone after the slew of issues they had with the planes.

User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 10735 times:
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Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 5):
Don't know if it is the exact same problem but it had to do with the landing gear. SK sent theirs away.

The aircraft were sent to Flybe at Exeter, Flybe even grounded some of their fleet at the time too. What the issue was related to a bolt in the landing gear that sheared due to fatigue after a certain amount of cycles, 15,000 or so from memory. I can't remember the exact reason or part, might have been a bolt for the uplocks, but Dowty released several SB's and AD's to fix the problem or at least give it attention.



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User currently onlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1433 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 10482 times:

It really is a dog of a plane. Never liked it, and got a couple of mates who were unfortuneate enough to fly the thing before SK Commuter got rid of them - they didn't like it either, not one little bit. Ok, maybe the little bit about being able to get to FL100 a tad faster than a 737 but that's about it. Noisy, rattly, temperamental aircraft who's only endearing feature is making short-sighted beancounters happy.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25860 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 10316 times:

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 11):
It really is a dog of a plane. Never liked it,

I much prefer the Q400 to the CRJ100/200. To each his own.


User currently onlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1433 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 10254 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
I much prefer the Q400 to the CRJ100/200. To each his own.

Quite right, and I would prefer not flying any of them to be honest. Never been a big fan of Bombardier products. De Havilland Canada, now that's something else entirely. One would happily leave Big Corp. Inc. to go flying a Twotter on clownfeet somewhere warm and sunny.



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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 9569 times:

Quoting N809FR (Reply 9):
There always seems to be something popping up with these Q400's, it makes sense why SK wanted them gone after the slew of issues they had with the planes.

It's certainly true that they got rid their Q400's;only to turn around and order some new one's for it's regional carrier. Please feel free to correct me.


User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2328 posts, RR: 38
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 8826 times:

Having flown the Q400 many times I personally love the aircraft. I have friends at Colgan / Horizon who are flying them and have had no more issues with it than any other aircraft. Name an aircraft that doesnt have an AD? Its a comfortable aircraft, is great from an economics stand point, as well as being "fast" for a turboprop. I love it!

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User currently offlineChinook747 From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 8767 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
I much prefer the Q400 to the CRJ100/200. To each his own.

agreed

Quoting atct (Reply 15):
Having flown the Q400 many times I personally love the aircraft. I have friends at Colgan / Horizon who are flying them and have had no more issues with it than any other aircraft. Name an aircraft that doesnt have an AD? Its a comfortable aircraft, is great from an economics stand point, as well as being "fast" for a turboprop. I love it!

and agreed again


User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 935 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 8271 times:

Quoting atct (Reply 15):
Having flown the Q400 many times I personally love the aircraft. I have friends at Colgan / Horizon who are flying them and have had no more issues with it than any other aircraft. Name an aircraft that doesnt have an AD? Its a comfortable aircraft, is great from an economics stand point, as well as being "fast" for a turboprop. I love it!

QF must agree with you, as they recently ordered more. IMHO, from a pax point of view, they are "yummy". If I have the choice (and quite often I do), its Q400 for me.



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User currently offlinezwaving From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 7961 times:
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I realize the little flag in the corner will indicate to those having made up their minds that this will be an odious defense of Canadian Industry (does not need it) but really- read what is being said.
An AD has been issued (see link) on a what appears to be a minor problem. Of the hundreds of this model flying, how many truly serious issues have arisen, resulting in this model AC being eschewed by purchasers? How many ADs have been issued on the ATR? I have no idea.
The issue of a Bean counter AC? There exists a duopoly in Turbo regionals. Does anyone rally believe that there is a great fluctuation of pricing. Economics 101 would indicate otherwise.
There are always personal preferences but whenever any aircraft is in competition with an EADS product, the commentary follows a predictable pattern. Much like partisan politics or your favourite football team.
As mentioned previously, SK got rid of a bunch in a great huff, and were immediately resold after Bombardier completed a proper maintenance check. I believe the aircraft publications commented at the time that it was rather odd that SK were the only ones who experienced this problem and hinted at a a local maintenance issue.. This AC was designed and test flown in an environment as hostile as one would find anywhere else in the world. To survive as a reliable AC in Canada it has to be rugged and has to be good. Experiencing cold weather problems in only one Scandinavian country by only one type of AC would suggest many things. Quality of construction would not be high on the list of ponderable issues.
SK hated the aircraft so much, they purchased more of the same in greater quantities.(yeah I know, to a subsidiary-you have to save face somehow)
From anything that I read on the topic, it sounded like a convenient inventory update to me.
I understand and empathize with the angst/reaction of European commentators herein, let's face it, if the product flying, does not have an EADS label on it; it translates to your tax Euros having flown elsewhere.
I champion Bombardier in this instance because they are an indigenous corporate citizen with a large North American footprint that has an excellent International reputation. They build quality aircraft at various locations around this planet including the U.S., U.K., China, Japan and Mexico, as well as of course, three locations in Canada. Aircraft (the DHC-8 Q400 is only one of their catalog) that are in strong demand, around the globe.
A company that must abide by homegrown aviation standards that are second to none and does so without resorting to, nor having access to the public purse.
The integrity and quality of their product must stand alone as a bulwark to their very survival without having access to the bottomless pockets of Government support. Unlike their one and only real rival at this time.
I don't believe the latest Russian incantations will put much of a dent in their sales no matter how much Mr. Putin demands it be so. The proposed Japanese entry might. That's OK, at least they will be a true corporate competitor, from my standpoint. The Japan model will incorporate (as will the Chinese) the excellent PWC engines along with Bombardier engineered composite materials and modules, thus keeping Canadian, US and UK craftsmen at their trade.
The foregoing respectfully submitted with just a humble touch of Canadian pride.



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User currently offlineairbear From Australia, joined May 2001, 648 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 7120 times:

Hi all, having just spent this past week jumping on and off the things ( CNS/TSV;TSV/MKY & finally MKY/ROK)- as well as 2 flts coming up (or maybe not ???... would QF sub in 734's or just Dash-8-300s) this week ( SYD/CFS/SYD) , the $64 Question is ... drumroll ... do any Aussies here know exactly WHICH Q400's have been sin-binned?

Without any real knowledge of the Q400's issues - other thatn SK's experiences - I have to say that as a frequent Q400 pax, I like the plane a lot. I also wind up on DJ's E-Jets a fair bit as well, and sure, I would always prefer them to any of the Dashes, but I find them the best model of the Dash-8 series, and far nicer to fly in than the SF340.

I look forward to any news, and this developing story. I can here the "We Told You So's" coming in loud and clear from CPH now  

Cheers, Airbear


User currently offlineJohnKrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1401 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 5370 times:
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Quoting whiteguy (Reply 8):
Doubt its the same problem unless SK was doing the MTC for Qantas!

Well, that was true for one aircraft, kind of. But Bombardier know that something was wrong with those Q400's and gave some good discounts on new CRJ's instead. SAS confidence for the maker was not affected by the mishaps for sure, neither is mine. And as it was SK could not keep the Q400's after all those incidents since pax were scared to ride them. Also, IIRC SK had the first generation Q400's and there is no reason to believe that later Q400's has any of those errors. But it's not good for Bombardier that another Q400 has landing gear problems after the negative press they had last time around, no matter what the cause is.



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User currently offline747m8te From Australia, joined Aug 2008, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5256 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):

I much prefer the Q400 to the CRJ100/200. To each his own.

I love flying on the Q400s! more comfortable then the CRJs, and infact I prefer them on regional routes over the E170/190s...just a fun plane to fly in  



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5477 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5237 times:

Quoting zwaving (Reply 18):

Well said.



What the...?
User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5207 times:

Reg of a/c known to be part of AD

VH-QOC,
VH-QOE
VH-QOF
VH-QOI
VH-QOJ


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Sorry I can't confirm why these a/c and not others in the fleet.



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User currently offlineOzTech From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5126 times:

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 3):
Well Residents of MKY and ROK might be happy to see a 734/73H iso a Q400, if they are lucky enough, they have some pretty high frequencies in and out of there

They could always book a seat on the Virgin Blue service. No props with suspect gear on those routes  



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25 okie : I still question the AD as the problem in question for grounding the aircraft. I just do not think it would take 7 working days to perform the AD in
26 Post contains links jetfuel : If you wish to do your own reseach here's all the ADs applicable to the Dash 8. Dont be alarmed this number of ADs is typical for most aircraft My gue
27 Post contains links LN-KGL : I too have one of those Scandinavian flags in the top left hand corner, but contrary to JohnKrist I will fully agree with zwaving in reply 18. SAS has
28 Alias1024 : No. In real simple terms, the first two SAS gear problems were due to corrosion in the gear retract actuator. In this recent case the tires are getti
29 TN486 : The AD linked refers to all ac within the c/n range 4001-4247. QF Link has at least 14 ac within this range. VH-QOA thru K, M,N,P,and R. (R is 4241).
30 Post contains links jetfuel : VH-QOS is s/n 4263 and later a/c are all higher s/n http://www.planespotters.net/Product..._Dash-8/DHC-8-400/operator.php?p=4 The other question is wh
31 Alias1024 : So it appears that there were two ADs less than a week apart. One for the bumper plates potentially snagging the tires during an emergency gear extens
32 airbear : Bingo ! Flew on QOJ last Thurs afternoon, MKY/ROK. Without being too dramatic, I have to say that it was not the smoothest landing I'd ever experienc
33 SSTsomeday : Nice post, eh?
34 Post contains links manu : Bombardier has said today most of the Q400 aircraft need to be inspected after cracks were found near the turboprop's landing gear: Read more: http://
35 multimark : Why don't the Dash-8's have these same type of problems?
36 RyanairGuru : Southern Cross Local News Canberra (on Channel 10) reported last night that "a number" of flights from Canberra to Sydney have been canceled due to th
37 ABpositive : I'm suuposed to be flying to ROK next week and was looking forward to my first trip on Q400, but I checked the site and now it is scheduled with a Fok
38 TWA902fly : This is a little bit skewed... While yes you are correct that in the turboprop market the only other large competitor is ATR... These aircraft are no
39 SKAirbus : SK bought new aircraft from Bombardier because they were offered a great deal with compensation for the previous problems. The new generation of Dash
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