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US Airways A333 Economy Cabin Updates  
User currently offlineAAairplane From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 95 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 12 hours ago) and read 9532 times:

A while back I read that US Airways would be replacing seats in the economy cabin of the A330-300. I know that the seats were all recovered with blue leather a few years ago, but these new seats would be the same (or similar) as the A332 seats. I haven't heard anything recently though, so I was wondering if anyone had any info? (I don't think this has been discussed before (or recently, sorry if it has been)

Thanks!

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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3874 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 hours ago) and read 9346 times:

Out of interest, what are the current A333 seats like? I know they're from the slightly older generation

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3051 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 hours ago) and read 9218 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 1):
Out of interest, what are the current A333 seats like? I know they're from the slightly older generation

The current A333 seats have adjustable headrests, adjustable lumbar support, and Sony P@ssport AVOD.

The A332 seats AFAIK, dont have headrests or lumbar support.



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User currently offlineL1011buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years ago) and read 8709 times:

what is the seat pitch on both models?

User currently offlineTom_EDDF From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8501 times:

Quoting L1011buff (Reply 3):
what is the seat pitch on both models?

On the A333, at least, unbearable. 31" I believe.

The AVOD on the A333 is a pretty much outdated Rockwell-Collins system based on AMD-K6 and Windows CE Technology, with bulky entertainment unit boxes under almost every 2nd seat, further reducing legroom. The adjustable lumbar support is broken in many seats.

US economy class used to be great when they introduced the A333 since the seats themselves are rather good and the soft leather is a nice touch, too. But I believe they reduced seat pitch by at least 3 inches some time ago. I flew US last month, and before that, I had not been on an US A333 for about 5 years, and I was shocked how cramped it was.

US domestic economy is a lot more comfortable than the product on the A333.


User currently offlineRyeFly From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8448 times:

I had the luxury of sitting in 27A on a US Airways A330-300 both to and from CLT to LGW and let me tell you it was like sitting in a torture chamber for 8+ hours. When the flight attendant came around for a round of drinks half way through the flight, I asked for a epidural. The sad part is they knew exactly what I was talking about and even apologized for such bad seating.

It is true the cabin is all leather, with head rests on the 300's. Although reclining the seats is such a joke that it's hardly worth pushing that button to do so. Even if you have the nerve to recline, you feel horrible knowing the poor person behind you is going to walk with a limp for a while.

It states on US Airways website and on seatguru.com a seat pitch of 31" and 17" width. I believe the width because if you are not traveling with a person you know well, you will by the end of the flight. Most coach seats are 18" on other carriers. You would think a inch wouldn't make any difference but trust me it does big time.

I don't believe the 31" seat pitch at all. I have been on Airtran's 717's and on regional jets that state 30" pitch and felt like I had more leg room on them compared to the A330-300. I could be because the IFE box blocking any foot space. It's impossible to get more then a small book bag to fit under the seat in front of you after you figure out what to do with the pillow and blanket that is placed in the seat when you arrive before departure.

I hear the front part of coach gives more leg room for some reason then the second half behind the wing which I was in. Perhaps this was my fault for not finding this out before I picked my seat in advance. All the stats say 31" seat pitch but if I had a measuring tape with me I bet it would be no more then 28". If you are a frequent flyer on the A300-300, measure the seat pitch in the back section of the 300 and prove prove me wrong with a picture. I think what did me in the most was the width of the seat for a international flight. 17" is ridiculous!

I don't know the difference in seat pitch between the A330-200 vs. the 300. All the websites I have looked up says they are the same, but I believe the 200 has more coach seating then the 300 which I find odd since the 200 is smaller then the 300. Coach seating is 224 for the 300 vs. 238 for the 200 which can't be a good thing. While the IFE wasn't bad on the 300 I have read the 200's have a much better IFE system.

I think the thing that depresses me the most is I live in Charlotte and see A330's fly over my house all the time. Before I experienced it, I was jealous watching the beautiful plane flying far from here. Now I feel bad for those poor people towards the back that don't know how uncomfortable they are going to be soon enough.

Flying internationally on a US Airways A330's nonstop is a great perk for living in Charlotte but it will take a lot of persuasion, a great fare, and perhaps a night of a lot of whisky to buy a ticket on one again.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8463 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8364 times:

Quoting Tom_EDDF (Reply 4):
US domestic economy is a lot more comfortable than the product on the A333.

Yes they took the existing seats from 34 inches to 31 inches. In retrospect, passengers would probably have liked newer, less bulky chairs and IFE to provide comfort at that seat pitch. New chairs to match the US A332 will be installed maybe the winter of 2011-2012. By that age, the (original build) A333 seats would be due for replacement anyhow. They will presumably match the US A332 product and IFE, which so far, have not gotten the same negative reaction as their A333 has in recent years.

Quoting RyeFly (Reply 5):
Coach seating is 224 for the 300 vs. 238 for the 200 which can't be a good thing.

No, that is not the right figure. Maybe that was "before" the seat pitch was changed several years ago. The current figure for their A330-300 is 264 coach 30 business (294 total). Note, Delta has a capacity of 298 on theirs. The cramped feeling is most likely an outdated seat design.

Quoting RyeFly (Reply 5):
and 17" width. I believe the width because if you are not traveling with a person you know well, you will by the end of the flight. Most coach seats are 18" on other carriers. You would think a inch wouldn't make any difference but trust me it does big time.

I wouldn't trust that measurement either. The US A330 is the same width as other A330/A340 carriers worldwide, so that probably goes for their seat as well. But, it's possible you have something there.


User currently offlineChopChop767 From Italy, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8073 times:

For domestic carriers, I enjoyed the quiet cabin that the A330 offers, but the flight did seem really cramped. This was DL from SEA to NRT. As far as STAR goes, almost all of my overseas flights have been on UAL, so I couldn't comment on US' A330 product, but with that said, the best thing they could do is use their old 767-200 seats as a model   In their Envoy, the old style seats were like lazy boy recliners. The cloth was well worn, but really comfortable. I guess I don't see why everyone is jumping on the leather seat band wagon. Just my two cents, but I find the seats on UAL and AA more comfortable just for that reason. I guess the leather ages better and saves money in the long run for the carrier?


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User currently offlineAAairplane From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7071 times:

Quoting ChopChop767 (Reply 7):
I guess I don't see why everyone is jumping on the leather seat band wagon

Me either....the seats were just as comfortable with cloth as they are with leather. It makes me sad that they offer such a poor product on the A333, because it used to be so comfortable (and modern) and I have many good memories on these aircraft. Oh well....

Thanks,
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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8281 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6987 times:

Quoting ChopChop767 (Reply 7):
I guess I don't see why everyone is jumping on the leather seat band wagon.

I have yet to meet an economy leather seat that I like or feel comfortable. WN, US, UA, AA, you name it. My butt just keeps sliding forward. I hate leather seats.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3051 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6217 times:

Quoting Tom_EDDF (Reply 4):
On the A333, at least, unbearable. 31" I believe.

The AVOD on the A333 is a pretty much outdated Rockwell-Collins system based on AMD-K6 and Windows CE Technology, with bulky entertainment unit boxes under almost every 2nd seat, further reducing legroom. The adjustable lumbar support is broken in many seats.

US economy class used to be great when they introduced the A333 since the seats themselves are rather good and the soft leather is a nice touch, too. But I believe they reduced seat pitch by at least 3 inches some time ago. I flew US last month, and before that, I had not been on an US A333 for about 5 years, and I was shocked how cramped it was.

Its sad, US used to have the best Y seats across the pond. You said the lumbar support is broken? I have been on 2 A333 flights to CUN in the past year, and all of our seats lumbar worked.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 6):
Yes they took the existing seats from 34 inches to 31 inches. In retrospect, passengers would probably have liked newer, less bulky chairs and IFE to provide comfort at that seat pitch. New chairs to match the US A332 will be installed maybe the winter of 2011-2012. By that age, the (original build) A333 seats would be due for replacement anyhow. They will presumably match the US A332 product and IFE, which so far, have not gotten the same negative reaction as their A333 has in recent years.

Does US plan to install adjustable head rests in the A332 in Y?



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8463 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6049 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 10):
Does US plan to install adjustable head rests in the A332 in Y?

I doubt they would modify brand-new coach seats in A332.

Currently the US site says, "We’ll begin installing the Envoy Suite on our Airbus A330-300 aircraft in fall 2011." Can't get much clearer than that. I expect they would take whatever coach seats are on the A332 (slim with new IFE) and put those on A333, as well. Why they are waiting this many years, is anyone's guess.


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6470 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5736 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 11):
I doubt they would modify brand-new coach seats in A332.

While probably true, it is indeed quite possible that winged headrests can simply be added on to the seats without replacing them. For example, the Weber 5751 seats on DL's 75Es initially didn't have winged headrests, but DL eventually added them on.

I really don't know why would US choose not to have winged headrests on their A332s, since almost every other U.S. airline has winged headrests on their international fleets (only exceptions are DL's 763ERs and 744s, but that will change soon). As for adjustable lumbar support, that has generally been a rare feature on Y seats, and now with the trend towards slimline seats, I don't expect it to become more popular (DL's 772ERs have adjustable lumbar support in Y, but the 772LRs do not).



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