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Brussels Airlines To Get 2x A320  
User currently offlinephotoshooter From Belgium, joined Feb 2010, 450 posts, RR: 21
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8623 times:
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Hi,

Since LH took SN over for 45%, I had this strange feeling they would replace the Avrojet and BAe 146 pretty soon.
Today I heard SN is going to buy 2x A320 because Club Med will work together with SN.
But I think LH kind of ordered SN to replace the old Avrojets and BAe 146 with A320.
anyways, here are the links :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_Airlines
(check fleet)

http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/economie/100811_BA_ClubMed
National news channel - Sorry , it's in Dutch..


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User currently offlineseemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8588 times:

Any ideas into where these aircraft will come from? Or will they be new?

Quoting photoshooter (Thread starter):
BAe 146

Already gone



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User currently offlinephotoshooter From Belgium, joined Feb 2010, 450 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8574 times:
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Quoting seemyseems (Reply 1):

they will not order them, second used aircrafts.

and the Bae 146 is stored in Brussels.
3 of them  


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User currently offlinetomcat From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8556 times:

Quoting photoshooter (Reply 2):
and the Bae 146 is stored in Brussels.
3 of them

Are these the ones expected to be operated by the future (if ever started) Corongo airline, to be set up by SN (in JV with Forrest Group) in Democratic Republic of Congo?


User currently offlineN809FR From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 181 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8414 times:

Quoting photoshooter (Reply 2):
they will not order them, second used aircrafts.

Any idea where they are sourcing the frames from? Glad to see SN expanding their fleet, hopefully they will be able to replace some of the 737's in the coming years.


User currently offlinephotoshooter From Belgium, joined Feb 2010, 450 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8243 times:
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Quoting tomcat (Reply 3):

perhaps, I'm not sure if Corongo airline will ever excist.
when I flew BRU-NCE in July, I saw 2 BAe 146 in Brussels with engine protectors on.
and 1 was allready painted in a different livery then the SN one.


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User currently offlinephotoshooter From Belgium, joined Feb 2010, 450 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8233 times:
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Quoting N809FR (Reply 4):

I'm not sure...
I flew on one of their B737-400
and it was still a great aircraft.
14 years old and delivered to
China Airlines. But the Avrojets
are 15+ years old.


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User currently offlineJalap From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8120 times:

Quoting photoshooter (Thread starter):
Today I heard SN is going to buy 2x A320 because Club Med will work together with SN.
But I think LH kind of ordered SN to replace the old Avrojets and BAe 146 with A320.

You make it sound as if they need the Club Med cooperation to secretly replace some Avros.
The article clearly states that SN will operate some new destinations as charter flights, as well as fly Club Med customers on regular flights. Sounds logical that extra metal is required to achieve this.

On the other hand, 50.000 extra passengers per year, I'd think 1 A320 would be enough to handle that...


User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 847 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8036 times:

Nooo!!

Don´t take away SN´s BAe 146.

I´m gonna miss them flying over my balcony to/from BMA

//Mike   



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User currently offlineBralo20 From Belgium, joined May 2008, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7346 times:

Quoting solnabo (Reply 8):
Nooo!!

Don´t take away SN´s BAe 146.

I´m gonna miss them flying over my balcony to/from BMA

//Mike

AFAIK the BAE 146's are allready taken out of the active fleet, some of them are stored in BRU, 2 of them were transferred to Pan African Airlines Leasing Company Ltd (SN's subsidiary for the AirDC project) and painted in airDC colors. The Avro's 85/100's are still remaining in active service untill the decission for the replacement is decided (which is expected in the end of the year or during the start of next year).


User currently offlinephotoshooter From Belgium, joined Feb 2010, 450 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5826 times:
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Quoting Jalap (Reply 7):

They don't need ClubMed for replacing the aircrafts.
And why are they cooperating with SN by the way and not
a charter-schedual airline like Jetairfly/ Thomas cook?
The article talks about destinations Jetairfly is allready serving.



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User currently offlineCamiloA380 From Sweden, joined Feb 2008, 486 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5307 times:

According to SN's website, it has 32 AVRO RJ85 – AVRO RJ100 – BAe 146, is this true? Or just lack of website update?
From their website:

Most of our destinations in Europe are served by AVRO RJ85, AVRO RJ100 or BAe 146 aircraft. Brussels Airlines has about 14 Avro RJ85 aircraft at its disposal. This type of aircraft has 82 seats. Brussels Airlines also has 12 AVRO RJ100 and 6 Bae 146 aircraft, with 97 and 84 seats respectively.

Camilo   



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User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5249 times:

Any ideas when SN will replace the Avros ? What would be the replacement EJets, MRJ or CSeries ?


It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineBralo20 From Belgium, joined May 2008, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5091 times:

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 11):
According to SN's website, it has 32 AVRO RJ85 – AVRO RJ100 – BAe 146, is this true? Or just lack of website update?

They have currently in active duty:

14x Avro RJ85
12x Avro RJ100

Storage in BRU:

5x BAE 146-200 (2 of them painted in airDC colors)


User currently offlineBralo20 From Belgium, joined May 2008, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5063 times:

Quoting columba (Reply 12):
Any ideas when SN will replace the Avros ? What would be the replacement EJets, MRJ or CSeries ?

The decission was expected by the end of this year but I guess it would be more next year...

A lot of rumours are going arround but nobody really knows. Part of the fleet will be replaced by bigger Airbusses (A320 series) but I assume the ERJ is the most likely candidate to replace the most Avro's...

I'll guess we all know it within a year or so  


User currently offline330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4883 times:

Quoting Bralo20 (Reply 14):
A lot of rumours are going arround but nobody really knows. Part of the fleet will be replaced by bigger Airbusses (A320 series) but I assume the ERJ is the most likely candidate to replace the most Avro's...

Would be nice to see more 32S in SN colours to replace the 733/734.
As for replacements of the ARJ's, could it be that LH will use their C-ceries order to renew the fleets of both LX and SN?



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User currently offlinebrightcedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1286 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

It seems that the fate of the B737 has been sort of decided and that they will be replaced by A320 family aircraft.

The question is how many regionals jets would SN need now that there are LH subsidiaries supplying these on several routes when available or required. Would SN want to create a regional carrier of its own for these operations in the future? And what will the blend be between RJ's and A320's.

I think the fleet is currently shrinking to these 26 Avro's, 12-14 narrow-bodies (shifting towards Airbus), and the 5 A330's.

I don't believe the fleet count will grow dramatically, and I don't see it pass the 50 units bar in the coming few years, however the blend will result in an average increase of seats per aircraft and probably for the overall fleet. We can at least expect the procurement of a 6th A330, the replacement of the B737, and a clarification of the regional replacement policy.



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User currently offlinephotoshooter From Belgium, joined Feb 2010, 450 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4735 times:
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Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 11):

Their website is kind of strange, when I was looking for Brussels - Vienna,
the ticket price was around 240 euros single way, and when I looked at
e-dreams it was 87.99 euros... SN is a good airline but their website
is a big joke.


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User currently offlinephotoshooter From Belgium, joined Feb 2010, 450 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4716 times:
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Quoting columba (Reply 12):

I'm not sure when they will replace them but it's kind of urgent.
the Boeing 737 they have are older then 14 years.
and I think the Embraer is the perfect plane for replacing the
avrojets. And in my opinion, they should replace the older boeings
with the B737-700 - B737-800.


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User currently offlinephotoshooter From Belgium, joined Feb 2010, 450 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4707 times:
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Quoting solnabo (Reply 8):

Isn't Malmö aviation flying to BMA these days ?


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User currently offlineBralo20 From Belgium, joined May 2008, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4632 times:

Quoting photoshooter (Reply 18):
And in my opinion, they should replace the older boeings
with the B737-700 - B737-800.

Well, I think we can safely asume this isn't goin to happen. The Boeing will be replaced with the Airbus A32S instead.  


User currently offlineCamiloA380 From Sweden, joined Feb 2008, 486 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4612 times:

Quoting Bralo20 (Reply 20):
Well, I think we can safely asume this isn't goin to happen. The Boeing will be replaced with the Airbus A32S instead.



More likely, true. As such a small airline like SN just cant afford a mixed fleet from different manufactures.

Camilo   



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User currently offlineBralo20 From Belgium, joined May 2008, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4612 times:

Quoting brightcedars (Reply 16):
I don't believe the fleet count will grow dramatically, and I don't see it pass the 50 units bar in the coming few years, however the blend will result in an average increase of seats per aircraft and probably for the overall fleet. We can at least expect the procurement of a 6th A330, the replacement of the B737, and a clarification of the regional replacement policy.

I agree with you that we won't see a masive grow in the amount of airplanes, however I think we can see an increase of seats due the replacements that will come in the next years. Since it will be a longterm replacement I rather expect that bigger airplanes will replace the Avro's.

Regarding the longhaul I think we can see a steady grow during the next couple of years, maybe one or 2 airplanes per year. The next A333 that will join the fleet is also expected to operate on AFI routes but SN still has plans to fly TATL though I assume they will use other planes then the A333's they have at the moment.


But we'll see  


User currently offlinephotoshooter From Belgium, joined Feb 2010, 450 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4575 times:
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Quoting Bralo20 (Reply 20):

newer or older ones?


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User currently offlineBralo20 From Belgium, joined May 2008, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4554 times:

A bit younger:


The current A32S fleet is 11 years old (average youngest 10 years, oldest 14 years).

The current B737 feelt is 14 years old (average, youngest 12 years, oldest 21 years).


25 solnabo : Yep, and a lot of them too.....
26 photoshooter : A bit younger: The current A32S fleet is 11 years old (average youngest 10 years, oldest 14 years). The current B737 feelt is 14 years old (average,
27 Bralo20 : OO-VEK had her first flight in may 1989 OO-LTM in april 1991 (this one will go to Korongo) The rest is younger.
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