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Frankfort Kentucky Listed On Saudi Route Map  
User currently offlinelxmd11 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 149 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11609 times:

http://www.saudiairlines.com/portal/...c1bd5c7110VgnVCM1000001f64e80aRCRD

I was playing around on the SV route map, and it shows Frankfort kentucky as if its a destination??? Im pretty sure that FFT doesnt have any schedualed service, much less SV??

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User currently offlineextspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11580 times:

It should be FRA, not Frankfort. Also the geography (at least in europe) is TERRIBLE.


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User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11550 times:

People had more accurate maps than that, back in the 1600s. Awful to the point of being a joke. I wonder which city is furthest from its actual location, on that map.

User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9955 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11520 times:

We went thru this last year........................


Frankfort, Kentucky On Saudi Arabian Route Map? (by Seatback May 2 2009 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4400891&searchid=4405613&s=saudi+route+map#ID4405613



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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3696 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11518 times:
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Horses!
The Saud Royal Family loves their horses. There may not be any scheduled service into FFT, but that doesn't stop both Saudi Cargo and Saudi Royal Flight from being frequent visitors. At one time, they even had a dedicated 747 horse-hauler. I recall it had severe rust issues but I don't remember whether the plane was repaired or scrapped.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11507 times:
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Quoting extspotter (Reply 1):
Also the geography (at least in europe) is TERRIBLE.

You're right. The global map is *no one's* best work.

In the USA, SV serves only IAD and JFK.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11439 times:
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Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 5):
they even had a dedicated 747 horse-hauler. I recall it had severe rust issues

I hadn't heard this.

Aircraft aluminum can't "rust".

However, it can react to animal urine which is very corrosive.


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9955 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11384 times:

I seem to remember a Saudi 747 combi that came into ORD in the 70's when I was working at DL cargo. It was parked right next to our cargo area. I think they were on a "shopping" trip as there were several new cars that were being loaded....Corvettes, etc. Don't know what other merchandise there was but I assume there was some.


I'm assuming it was a combi, but it may have been straight cargo. Can't remember for sure, right now.



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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3696 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11297 times:
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Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 4):
At one time, they even had a dedicated 747 horse-hauler
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 7):
I hadn't heard this.

Actually, I take that back. It was bugging me and I double-checked. The Sauds use Saudi Cargo 747s to move their horses around. The 747 horse hauler belongs to the ruler of Dubai.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 7):
However, it can react to animal urine which is very corrosive.

What I meant. Thanks. So corrosive that the plane had severe structural damage.

[Edited 2010-08-22 11:06:06]


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User currently offlineeaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 11195 times:

One might think that a seven year old is working in their marketing department.

User currently offlineMacsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11010 times:
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Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 4):
There may not be any scheduled service into FFT, but that doesn't stop both Saudi Cargo and Saudi Royal Flight from being frequent visitors.

That is very true, but normally they go into LEX as opposed to FFT. Capital City Airport, as FFT is usually called, seldom sees any big metal at all. Plus, LEX is just across Versailles Road from Keeneland where the huge sales occur.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10918 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 7):
Aircraft aluminum can't "rust".

You're correct..... But they can corrode....



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10863 times:

The main problem I see with the Saudi map is that Frankfort, Kentucky is shown about where Oklahoma City, Oklahoma should be.

User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10805 times:

Well, there are 2 Isles of Crete (kinda), Taiwan is finally taken over by China (guess they made a giant invasion bridge), and just to top it off, I can't zoom out after zooming in really close. Yeah this is the worst route map I've ever seen lol


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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10797 times:
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Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 12):
You're correct..... But they can corrode....

Yes, you're correct.

But I say so in the very next line (after the one you've quoted) .

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 7):
Aircraft aluminum can't "rust".

However, it can react to animal urine which is very corrosive.


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1268 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10785 times:

Did Frankfort, Kentucky ever have commercial air service?

User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10734 times:

Well LEX (less than a 30 minute drive from Frankfort, KY) occasionally sees private 747's from the Middle East to transport horses, that's the airport in the region that gets most of that traffic. We get some of these in SDF as well, with it also being relatively close to numerous horse farms and of course the home of Churchill Downs/KY Derby (about 45 minutes from Frankfort). I remember there being a private 747SP at SDF some years back.
LEX will be hosting the World Equestrian Games this fall so you can except to see plenty of exotic private aircraft & cargo charters there.


User currently offlineN707PA From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10258 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 16):
Did Frankfort, Kentucky ever have commercial air service?

Yes, Air Kentucky served it in the 70's and 80's with Beech 99's IIRC.


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User currently offlineGSPflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10002 times:

Its just a mistake, since FRA is missing off the map, and im fairly sure they serve FRA.

User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9955 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9810 times:

Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 19):
Its just a mistake, since FRA is missing off the map, and im fairly sure they serve FRA.

Pretty big mistake, since they show it in the middle of the U.S.



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User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6949 times:

Like I said in the thread last year, I am pretty sure it is mix up with Frankfurt, Germany and if so it is a mayor screw up. Not only because this has happened but that nobody has noticed and corrected it since then.

[Edited 2010-08-23 00:02:22]


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User currently offlineGulfstream650 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5644 times:

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 4):
Horses!
The Saud Royal Family loves their horses. There may not be any scheduled service into FFT, but that doesn't stop both Saudi Cargo and Saudi Royal Flight from being frequent visitors. At one time, they even had a dedicated 747 horse-hauler. I recall it had severe rust issues but I don't remember whether the plane was repaired or scrapped.

They have never and will never fly their planes into FFT. They don't have a dedicated horse carrier either.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 7):
I hadn't heard this.

Aircraft aluminum can't "rust".

However, it can react to animal urine which is very corrosive.

They put chip boards down which absorb the urine. If an airstall is used, it contains it itself.

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 16):
Did Frankfort, Kentucky ever have commercial air service?

A delta 737-200 once landed at FFT by accident (thought it was LEX) they had to remove all seats and fueled it only for the 12 mins to LEX as the runway was too short.

Quoting 747fan (Reply 17):
LEX will be hosting the World Equestrian Games this fall so you can except to see plenty of exotic private aircraft & cargo charters there.

I doubt it.



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User currently offlineHotelDJRomeo From Canada, joined Dec 2009, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5328 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 3):
We went thru this last year........................

This "map" has been on their site for more than a year and they haven't fixed it?



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User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 848 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5031 times:

I thought they had service to IAH? Or is that a cargo flight. I see it now and then, on flight aware leaving IAH very late in the evening or early morning.
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User currently offlineGulfstream650 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4850 times:

FYI:

FFT has a 5905ft runway.




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25 rampart : I remember the incident. Why is 5900 ft not sufficient for a 737 with no pax?? Much less without seats and only 12 minutes of fuel??? Have they talke
26 AJO : Is LIM a real SV destination, or is it another mistake on this map?
27 milesrich : I believe they flew those horse flights into LEX, not FFT. The race track is right across the street from LEX
28 The777Man : SCHEDULED, yes but they do fly charters to many other cities. They have probably 20-30 flights a year to LAX as an example. Not all of these are by V
29 mayor : Taking a closer look at the map, they show Ireland attached to Great Britain, Athens on the Pelloponese peninsula and doesn't Washington D.C. seem a l
30 Gulfstream650 : The Tex Sutton 727 flies the horses into LEX and SDF but the international flights go from SDF, MIA and ORD. LEX isn't big enough for a loaded DC-8 o
31 tb727 : We will also pick horses up from JFK/FRG off international flights and take them to the usual horse cities for Tex Sutton. Horse flights are interest
32 Gulfstream650 : Glad you joined the discussion. Yeah, they smell a bit - have done some SDF - Ireland - UK flights on the ATI DC-8. Based in LEX myself.
33 Post contains links rampart : Good grief! You think maybe the pilots might use official navigation charts and perhaps a GPS instead? Most airline route maps are big on graphics an
34 Post contains images mtnwest1979 : Especially since it isn't a route map lol. I miss the day of route maps, onlky to be replaced with destination maps. But with the proliferation of ro
35 tharanga : Kano, Nigeria looks to be about where Niger or Libya ought to be. Osaka is on the wrong island. and it goes on and on. It's comic.
36 mayor : I'm sure it is so, for aviation PROFESSIONALS. However, we're talking about ordinary pax, here, who are the ones that are pulling up the route map on
37 tb727 : I am there occasionally, not too bad down there but it isn't home. I don't bid the horses very often but I like doing it once in a while to mix it up
38 Post contains images atcsundevil : Maybe it's how the earth will look in a few thousand years, according to Saudia. So apparently... - Manchester will become Scottish. - Vienna will be
39 rampart : Could be. You and I notice. (I'm not singling you out, everyone on this thread notices, but you're more convenient at the moment.) We're both into ma
40 RP TPA : It looks like someone threw a dart at a map, and wherever the dart landed, that's where the "city" is now located.
41 mayor : Well, maybe just those of us that care about the poor state of basic geographical knowledge. It's funny, but even without the mistakes, that map is a
42 rampart : Agreed, but it's not unique in airline world. I'm doing what I can on the geographic knowledge thing! You are too, I guess. Let's see if Saudi listen
43 Post contains images mtnwest1979 : [quote=mayor,reply=41]Well, maybe just those of us that care about the poor state of basic geographical knowledge. It's funny, but even without the mi
44 mayor : That's more an age thing, I believe. Happens to me all the time.
45 NYCFlyer : They don't even get their own country right! DMM is way inland when it should be on the coast. AUH is well inside Saudi territory. And suddenly BAH is
46 rampart : For me, it's not so much that the airline has a sloppy graphic and web page. It's more that most of my generation and the younger generations I deal
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