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Merging CO And UA Gates At Their Hubs.  
User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 12549 times:
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Several months ago, CO abandoned its gates in the E concourse at Chicago O'Hare and joined UA in concourse B. Last week, UA left their gates in concourse B at Cleveland-Hopkins and joined CO in concourse C.

Is there a schedule for merging CO and UA gates at DEN, IAD, IAH, LAX, and SFO and other airports where they are physically separate such as BOS, MIA, MCO, MSY, TPA, PHL, and YYC?

Anyone have insights?

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User currently offlineual747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 12532 times:

At DEN, all CO flights depart and arrive in the United Terminal (B). Though I think this started once CO was in Star Alliance. US Airways uses these gates too. They are on the far western end of DEN.

On that note, I figure much of the system is somewhat integrated due to the fact that both airlines are a part of Star Alliance.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 12474 times:

United has moved to Terminal C at IAH as of last week.

Continental is likely not moving anywhere at LAX, due to T6 being a short airside walk from T7 and lack of room in T7/8. UA used to have a presence in T6 until not too long ago, and still has their elite check-in counters at T6.


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 12459 times:

I saw a chart someplace (FT?) that listed the locations and dates of the gate relocations, IIIRC most that were scheduled prior to the merger announcement have been completed with a couple still pending (MCO, EWR, IAH).


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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 12444 times:

EWR looks easy on paper but it might be more complicated then it looks. UA/CO would then control A-1, A-2, a few gates in a A-3, some international arrivals in B-2 and B-3 and all of terminal C. Going by that, they control majority of the gates in the airport and they might have to give up some depending of what the Port Authority feels. My guess is they might have to up their presence in A-3 (US/AA gate area) and A-1 and just keep A-2 for COEX flights. That way A-1 will be AS, AC, and move B6 from A-2 to A-1, US/AA in A-3, and DL in B-1. That is one perspective at least.

BOS would be interesting but going by the fact that CO is located in the DL terminal, (which is super new and nice btw) but I think would eventually move to the 6-7 gates UA has in terminal C. UA used to have a lot more flights into BOS and was utilizing this area a lot better back in the late 1990s. Since UA at BOS just has flights to IAD, ORD, SFO, DEN and LAX, I think they could squeeze the EWR, IAH and CLE flights in there as well.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 12437 times:
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Quoting ual747 (Reply 1):
I figure much of the system is somewhat integrated due to the fact that both airlines are a part of Star Alliance.

You'd think.

But at BOS CO is in the concourse with DL and UA is in the concourse with B6 and FL. At IAD CO is in the B concourse with AA, B6, DL, FL, and VX and UA is in the A, C, and D concourses. at DCA CO and UA are physically separated with different TSA facilities-- the same at YYC.


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 12349 times:

At EWR once CO/UA merge I can see CO moving the Connection Q-400/DH-8-200 flights to UA's former gates at A-1, that would combine the Express and Connection flights at Terminal A. At BOS I think I remember reading that the Boston Port Authority does have the availability to take more gates than they did from DL at Terminal A, the Boston Airport authority is very happy with B6's expansion I can see them being agreeable to CO/UA combining at Terminal A and B6 acquiring the former UA gates at Terminal C. DL could consolidate to the airside concourse at Terminal A, and CO/UA could operate the land side gates.

That would give DL 10 mainline gates, and UA about 8 mainline gates. Plus they share the regional jet parking positions.



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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 12345 times:

Yep, at IAH they are now on the north concourse - C18-C21. As a sidenote - UA 757s will be back on the IAH schedules for the winter, looks like on ORD/DEN/ and the inbound SFO.


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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 12292 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 4):
BOS would be interesting but going by the fact that CO is located in the DL terminal, (which is super new and nice btw) but I think would eventually move to the 6-7 gates UA has in terminal C

The two options Massport is working on ;

Option A :
UA combines with CO at Terminal A (more gates needed)

Option B (more challenging):
CO and UA consolidate at Terminal B

Massport wants UA's Terminal C gates for B6.

http://www.patriotledger.com/busines...ring-some-changes-to-Logan-Airport



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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2412 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 12282 times:

At HNL, CO has lately been using gates on the Diamond Head concourse (instead of Central), which is historically UA country.

User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 12281 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 4):

BOS would be interesting but going by the fact that CO is located in the DL terminal, (which is super new and nice btw) but I think would eventually move to the 6-7 gates UA has in terminal C. UA used to have a lot more flights into BOS and was utilizing this area a lot better back in the late 1990s. Since UA at BOS just has flights to IAD, ORD, SFO, DEN and LAX, I think they could squeeze the EWR, IAH and CLE flights in there as well.

jetBlue now takes up part of the UA concourse. If CO were to move in, i'd think that area could get crowded. UA has around 25-30 daily flights while CO averages 20ish. Combined they'd be at 45-50 so 7 gates could be a stretch. Perhaps Massport could kick FL out of C40-42, move them to where CO is in A, while B6 gets the 3 ex-FL gates.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23021 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 12253 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 8):
Option B (more challenging):

Why? There is space in B for CO/UA and all current flights without moving any carriers.



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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 12159 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
Why? There is space in B for CO/UA and all current flights without moving any carriers.

CO is already in Terminal A, with Offices, branded gates and a Presidents Clubroom. None of those exist at Terminal B, and would have to be built/developed. That's why moving both carriers to Terminal B, where neither carriers have a presence, is more challenging than moving UA to Terminal A where CO is already established.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23021 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 12135 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 12):
That's why moving both carriers to Terminal B, where neither carriers have a presence, is more challenging than moving UA to Terminal A where CO is already established.

It's certainly more difficult for CO, but I don't know that it's the more difficult option for Massport. Moving to B essentially requires moving "stuff" (a terribly imprecise term, but one that encompasses everything physical you've listed) for two carriers. I can't think of any other move that requires less than that. I'm relatively certain there is not room for all current operations plus UA's current operations in A.



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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2412 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 12121 times:

How many daily flights does Delta operate out of BOS?

User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 12090 times:
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Quoting STT757 (Reply 8):
The two options Massport is working on ;

Option A :
UA combines with CO at Terminal A (more gates needed)

Option B (more challenging):
CO and UA consolidate at Terminal B

Massport wants UA's Terminal C gates for B6.

http://www.patriotledger.com/busines...rport

Star Alliance Partner USAirways has a whole parcel of gates -- as far as I can see, some *are* underutilized. CO, UA, and US in the same area of B concourse makes sense.

That said, USAir's main wing (gates 5 to 14) *seriously* needs to be repainted and refreshed.   


User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 12066 times:

At TPA, CO is at Airside A and UA is at Airside E. Airside E is a few years newer, however there is no room to expand. It seems logical that UA/CO would use Airside A, which could allow Delta to possibly expand at E. From what I have heard, it can get a bit crowded at the DL gates since the merger. Both airsides are nice, modern facilities.


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 12067 times:

There are a few issues that make a United move to Terminal A unlikely, while a move to Terminal C much more likely:

First off, Massport can grab up to 9 gates at Terminal A to be reassigned from Delta as part of their bankruptcy/bailout/yada yada agreement. However, it is spelled out in the agreement that of those 9, 6 are to be mainline/jetway gates (Continental has four of these), 3 are to be in the RJ parking area (Continental has two of these 7).

United could likely have a compelling case to make to grab the rest of those gates (two mainline, one RJ), but what purpose would it serve? I believe (not 100% sure) that the gates that can be reassigned are all in the main terminal area and not on the satellite, which is problematic as the main terminal cannot handle 757s (which UA has many going into Boston each day), let alone 767s which do sub a bit. So, if they were to theoretically grab two more gates, you'd have a split operation, with two gates on the satellite and four in the main terminal - just to accommodate your 757s (and that drops down to one available gate when a 767 is parked there).

Even there, it would be a tight fit with the amount of mainline that UA/CO runs though Boston - six gates for around 45 flights a day is over 7 departures a gate at an airport that can halt to gridlock with weather - which is quite common.

Meanwhile, over in Terminal C, in current UA land, you have:
-10 gates, one of which can handle a 777, multiple of which can handle 757s
-your own private pier (JetBlue isn't in that pier...)
-RCC of similar size to the PC
-likely lower rent costs

If Massport really wanted to get room for JetBlue, they could without hemming in United at Terminal A and leaving them in Terminal C. Moving AirTran back to their old gates in the former D would be a start or moving them into A would clear up the C40s pier for JetBlue.

However, despite what Massport might be drooling over, I tend to think UA stays in Terminal C. The proposal of moving the combined carrier to B is a bit dubious as well but might work...


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 12064 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
I'm relatively certain there is not room for all current operations plus UA's current operations in A.

From the article I posted:

Quote:
He said Massport can release gates from certain airlines if they are being underutilized.
http://www.patriotledger.com/busines...ring-some-changes-to-Logan-Airport

I'm going to have to dig to find the exact details, as part of the negotiated deal DL worked out with Massport over DL's default vis a vis their obligations to Terminal A, DL was required to agree to several terms. One of those involved DL giving up gates at Terminal A, the deal involved more than the 4-5 gates CO would later lease from Massport. CO only needed 4-5 for their operation and Massport could not get any other airlines to commit to more so they agreed to let DL keep the gates they were unable to lease. However, as I mentioned and the article alludes to Massport does have rights to come back for more gates at Terminal A.

It's going to take a lot of digging, but the details are out there somewhere.

DL can easily consolidate to the 10 airside gates (plus the land side RJ parking positions), giving UA 8 land side gates (plus rj parking positions).

It's the most cost effective (Massport paid for CO's move to Terminal A), plus it gives B6 the gates for expansion at Terminal C. At Terminal A CO has already establish it's infrastructure (Presidents Club, airline offices etc..), all of these would need to be built at Terminal B plus the expense of moving.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23021 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 12044 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 18):
However, as I mentioned and the article alludes to Massport does have rights to come back for more gates at Terminal A.

But note the use of the present tense - Massport CAN release gates if they ARE BEING underutilized. Now that NW has moved over, are DL's gates being underutilized?



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User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 11985 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 15):
That said, USAir's main wing (gates 5 to 14) *seriously* needs to be repainted and refreshed.

Tear it down and start over. Awful. The Shuttle gate area is nice though.

Is there anyplace you could squeeze out a couple new gates at Logan? Looks pretty packed to me. Nowhere to grow for the future.


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 11965 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
Now that NW has moved over, are DL's gates being underutilized?

While DL has added NWA don't forget they dropped Song, so their gate utilization has probably not increased that significantly since the deal was struck.



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User currently offlinephatfarmlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 11910 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 8):
Option A :
UA combines with CO at Terminal A (more gates needed)

Option B (more challenging):
CO and UA consolidate at Terminal B

I would think Option A would be more challenging since the gates are so limited.

If CO/UA move in with US, it could work with some revisions. US no longer has the Caribbean ops out of BOS, so it will help free up some gates for the morning originator push.

What I think could happen if Option B is chosen:
-Move VX/NK to Terminal A.
-Utilize AE's old remote parking gates for 9L/AC/US/UA/CO express operations. If AC desires something closer for competitive purposes, they can use the two RJ size gates next to gate B21 (using Google Maps for reference here). This will help free up jetway space for the mainline flights.


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 11887 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 14):
How many daily flights does Delta operate out of BOS?

49 Mainline, 24 Regional jet.

I think 10 mainline gates + several regional jet parking positions is plenty.



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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 11886 times:

Quoting phatfarmlines (Reply 22):

What I think could happen if Option B is chosen:
-Move VX/NK to Terminal A.

Massport would then lose CO's lease for the Presidents Club, I honestly believe it's going to be Terminal A for UA.



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25 Post contains links ElBandGeek : MCO has had a pending gate shuffle for awhile, but I guess it may be caught up in red tape. CO has planned to move to NW's old gates on airside 3 whic
26 tharanga : I agree that random little guys would end up going to A if CO moved out of A, but would moving VX really do anything in this scenario? They're on the
27 N809FR : Who picked up the gates on the A Concourse at DEN? Did they go to F9 or are they all AS gates now?
28 burnsie28 : Thats what everyone thought about AS at MSP. Now DL handles AS at MSP instead of AA.
29 CODC10 : AS operates out of A18 at BOS, handled by DL.
30 Cubsrule : There are 10 "non-WN" gates on Airside 2 (101, 103, and 105 through 112). That should easily fit NK (1-2 gates), F9 (1-2 gates), G4 (2 gates) and VX.
31 phatfarmlines : Ahh....I stand corrected on VX. Yeah that wouldn't do much good then.
32 CODC10 : Spotted the MCO distinction... sorry for the confusion.
33 avek00 : At EWR, bear in mind that UA's gates are widebody-capable. I imagine the merged United will want to exploit that somehow.
34 CALPSAFltSkeds : San might be interesting as CO is in Terminal 2 West, which will be doubled with expansion just underway. UA is in Terminal 1 West, which is old and c
35 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Bro, I'm on your side.
36 globaldude : Anyone hear what will happen in ATL? Move UA back out to terminal D (where they were maybe 15yrs ago) or move CO to T gates and swap out some with DL
37 kgaiflyer : The T gates certainly are convenient. But UA is hemmed in at the end of the concourse. And FL has expanded into the unused gates that *used* to be in
38 TOMMY767 : True. Some are already used by AC though. Bad idea. Terminal B is the international terminal and that is crowded as is by the regulars SAS, TAP, El A
39 tharanga : Are you saying some connecting pax will go through EWR instead of IAD?
40 SuperDash : I think Seattle is the more interesting facility issues. Seattle will be UA/CO's largest or 2nd largest non hub city (departures). CO is in B today us
41 Cubsrule : Wrong airport. I was talking about BOS. Consolidation in B would not be a good idea at EWR. I think we are on the same page.
42 1337Delta764 : DL might want those gates in Concourse T, as they can handle 767s. If you have been to ATL recently, it is very common for DL to have international d
43 ElBandGeek : MSP is a DL hub so it makes sense for them to handle AS there, just like I believe AA handles them at ORD. At a neutral station like MCO they'll go w
44 LuisKMIA : In June I had to go from Term A from my UA flight to Term E for my CO flight in IAH while connecting from DEN to LIM, and it was extremely slow and re
45 aznmadsci : It was reported a while back that AS will be taking over all of North and leave D. There were rumors that CO/UA would be moving to A at DL's former g
46 CODC10 : UA moved to Terminal C-North at IAH on 8/16, but there will be rapid airside connections available between A-South and CO complex once the TerminaLin
47 Clipper136 : In MCO....CO is moving check-in counters to the B side of the main terminal on Sept 22nd, and gates to Airside 3 (31, 33, 35 and 38) on Sept 23rd. 3M
48 STT757 : Definitely see 737-900ERs on BOS-LAX and BOS-SFO, superior CASM for UA.
49 apodino : I know this is a very farfetched idea for BOS, but remember years ago AA and US had plans to build a joint FIS facility in Terminal B? If they resurre
50 CODC10 : It's also worth noting that CO has a smallish, but recently enlarged and renovated Presidents Club in Atlanta at Concourse D.
51 iplawman : At DFW, United moved over to E, where Continental lives. Welcome change, because UA closed the RCC about a year ago, and now the Continental President
52 United75x : A Couple of things. First of all we have 2 of the gates in Uniteds pier plus Massport just gave us one of there bag belts. Southwest has taken over F
53 anonms : For SFO, once the T2 renovation is complete and AA moves over, CO will be moving into T3.
54 MLD9S : Ive not even read the responses....but I gotta say....what a dumb-ass, stupid, idiotic question. Hello....UA will move to the CO gates in EWR. UA will
55 Post contains images CODC10 : Precisely as a result of posters like you. If you took the 30 seconds required to read the first post of the thread, you'd realize... none of these c
56 kgaiflyer : Just to be clear, Cubsrule is talking about BOS concourse B -- not EWR concourse B.
57 Post contains images kgaiflyer : About three weeks ago, but I flew out on UAX and never saw the DL side of the concourse -- sorry.
58 kgaiflyer : UA has two gates at the end of T concourse -- so the answer is no.
59 ha763 : They are still using the same gates as before. I have not seen CO in gates 6-9, which are the ones used by UA. CO typically uses gates 12-16 and 24-2
60 aznmadsci : Are HNL gates CUTE?
61 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Sorry you feel that way. I would gather from the 58 replies that there is quite a bit to learn. CO has *already* moved to Concourse B [see reply #1]
62 LAXintl : UA still has a presence at LAX T-6 with flights every day. Yes parts of HNL are CUTE, but IIRC the UA gate areas is all inhouse legacy equipment it h
63 The777Man : UA may have inhouse legacy equipment there but the airport will not allow UA to put in the overhead screens showing urpgrade lists, standbys etc. The
64 deltal1011man : Delta wont be giving up its shuttle gates, that is part of the reason why the land side gates can only fit M88/320/737s. Because he wants UA/CO in A.
65 pacificclipper : CO will move after the current AA pier is updated a bit once AA moves to T2. I believe the plan is to also co-locate HP in the same pier with CO. Thi
66 TOMMY767 : I had no idea DL had that low of a mainline focus presence at BOS -- minus LGA and DCA UA would most likely do 738 on BOS-LAX but keep 757 on BOS-SFO
67 deltal1011man : looking at it now its 1x 320 1x 752. They could go to 2x 738 and take the hit in seats or do 3x 738 and bump up the seats. DCA is all RJ, most CR7s w
68 TOMMY767 : Thanks for that info! Fully understand that now. I could eventually see BOS-EWR going up to 757 but I never understood why BOS-IAD was operated with
69 STT757 : From the Boston Globe; But if you read the article I posted, Massport wants B6 to acquire the UA gates in Terminal C. And Massport wants UA to combin
70 kgaiflyer : Technically, the 757's are tag-ons to Dulles-transPacific or Dulles-South American flights, but the ones I've been on had good anyway.
71 tharanga : I have to push back against this a bit. Yes, B6 was going to get more of those gates. But it doesn't make any sense to just give them the whole pier
72 kgaiflyer : The federal government is all over the place. Social Security is in Baltimore. NASA, NSA and Fort Meade are just south of BWI. Department of Defense,
73 tharanga : Beyond that, there's a slew of companies now along the Dulles Toll Road. People doing business there need not ever go into DC proper; they fly into I
74 Fiveholer : Not a hub but here at TUL, there are rumblings of UA moving over to our side. I think that has to do with a terminal remodel that is supposed to happe
75 avek00 : Continental currently maintains separate gates at EWR's Terminal A, and United's Terminal A gates are even more valuable because, again, they are wid
76 United75x : We will be doing close to 90 flights a day by Thanksgiving so were growing, and fast.
77 Post contains images deltal1011man : 1)I don't get why you posted that because thats is what is said. MASSport can take 6 of the 18 gates, they took 4 so 6-4=2. If they take all of the g
78 CODC10 : Looks like I was extrapolating data using the wrong map!
79 aznmadsci : When CI had the SEA-IAH extension, and if I remember posts from here, CI used one of DL's gates at A except for TPE-SEA where it would go to South an
80 burnsie28 : Thats changing to all CR2's here shortly with the last flight being a CR7
81 apodino : So you are talking about only 49 daily departures for both airlines combined. If we assume about six flights a day per gate, with two of the gates fo
82 deltal1011man : No they cant park a 757 land side and Massport can only take two more jetways* away from DL. They can take 3(?) RJ pads from DL but UA/CO may need on
83 tharanga : This might be the easiest way of going about it at BOS. It's a shame that it looks pretty much impossible to connect C40-42 to the rest of terminal C
84 CODC10 : Is this because the gates are not marked out for 757s, or is it because of physical obstacles (like Terminal B) that prevent a 757 from using gates o
85 deltal1011man : I would bet where ever UA ends up they will have a Club. Also in A depending on what happened they may end up with a 2nd SkyClub again which would ma
86 johnmke : The CO move in ORD had nothing to do with a UA-CO merger but everything to do with the DL-NW merger in which DL took control of gates that were suble
87 ScottB : Song was gone long before they made a deal with Massport regarding the Terminal A gates they no longer wanted, but you are correct in that Delta has
88 STT757 : It's been stated that Massport can go back and acquire two more gates at Terminal A, that would give UA six mainline plus the rj parking positions. H
89 ScottB : Considering how often things go awry at LGA, Delta most likely does need two gates for the Shuttle, and they probably can't do Shuttle operations fro
90 Post contains images ytib : DL and WN are only left on C in DEN. B has UA/US/CO and A has all others. The move of CO allowed AA to move to A and join Frontier, Airtran, JetBlue,
91 AADC10 : Because it is much easier to get an upgrade on a UA 757 IAD-BOS than on a shuttle from DCA-BOS. Many people in the DC area do not live inside the Bel
92 deltal1011man : where are you getting the shared gate from? MASSport can take a max of two more Jetways away from Delta, that would leave them with 2 gates and UA wi
93 kgaiflyer : Just as well. The end of the concourse (around gate 14) reeks like a leaky toilet when it rains. Not cool.
94 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Yeah, but regardless, all's well that ends well
95 kgaiflyer : Whoa! That's the *last* thing I expected to happen.
96 ScottB : Why? Concourse A is prime real estate at DEN, there's space for an Admirals Club, and oneworld partners BA and MX are located on Concourse A. There's
97 EyeSky : The plan for CO/UA at SEA is still evolving. AS wants to take over the North Satellite but from what I understand that even though this is likely it i
98 tharanga : (about BOS) Let's go crazy. Leave Delta be. Make Terminal C a Star Alliance party - move CO and US in, and leave UA there. Give B6 the entire side of
99 Post contains links CALPSAFltSkeds : I don't want to sound stupid, but Massports website http://www.massport.com/logan-airpor...ges/TravelingBetweenTerminals.aspx doesn't show a Terminal
100 ScottB : That web site is wrong. Terminal D was the old international terminal; it's the building attached to Terminal C northeast of Central Parking and also
101 airfrnt : I think he was being facetious.
102 SuperDash : I think most of the talk about Alaska taking all of the North has been from Alaska. I'm not sure the Port of Seattle has ever endorsed any one plan.
103 apodino : Another interesting tidbit about that part of B. There is one gate, (I think it may be gate B 12), where the sign next to the Jetway door still shows
104 ha763 : All gates are CUTE and not carrier exclusive. Gates 6-9 have had NW, Harmony, Omni, and ANA flights use them. None of them were/are handled by UA at
105 kgaiflyer : No. Not really. The forums have chronicled the expansion of Republic / Midwest / Frontier in DEN to the point I would have expected Bryan to grab any
106 cws818 : This has been one of the more informative and interesting recent threads - your reading of and contribution to it notwithstanding. That is one of the
107 jfklganyc : Some BOS info: B6 will eventually have most, if not all of, Terminal C. Currently, there is construction to combine the security checkpoints to facili
108 tharanga : That's been the main controversy so far about BOS here. It's not obvious that they will fit there. If you think they will, then give your version of
109 ScottB : Frontier shrank a fair bit in Denver during the bankruptcy, and several of the Airbuses have been redeployed to support flying at MKE, with some back
110 jfklganyc : "Only if they shrink ops in Boston. It would be difficult to support all the mainline departures to ORD, DEN, LAX, SFO, IAD, EWR, and IAH out of six g
111 deltal1011man : or DL's + DCI. They can take 2 jetways from DL that is it. So if CO needs 7 then they aren't going to stay in A unless they buy a gate from DL. Reall
112 TOMMY767 : CO/UA at BOS can have 6-7 highly utilized gates post merger in terminal A and will most likely be fine. Not to mention that widebodies operations for
113 EyeSky : The old DL 'Crown Room' is sitting vacant on the A Concourse (DL are in the process of putting a new Sky Club on the roof of the South Satellite term
114 ScottB : Who knows? DL runs twice daily to AMS in the summer, and it might be desirable for UA/CO to operate flights with their metal to Star hubs in Europe a
115 Post contains links kgaiflyer : Okay, I have to admit that my experience with terminal A has been either CO Q400's or DL CRJ's -- so except for the Wendy's across from gate 8 where
116 apodino : Facilitate Connections? What connections could B6 possibly provide in BOS? By its nature, BOS is mainly an O and D airport. Passengers aren't going t
117 Post contains images deltal1011man : In this day in age with all the JVs and such you never know. I really didn't think we would see TATL flights form Delta yet thanks to the JV they hav
118 Post contains images kgaiflyer : BOS has an amazing amount of real estate -- just not in convenient places. Planes can be to tugged to outer locations. Maybe Cape Air can be relocate
119 tharanga : Here's a stupid question - could you move some of the cargo ops over, and put in a B satellite next to the A satellite? Could add some flexibility go
120 STT757 : Skyteam had nothing to do with CO's move, Massport needed an airline to rent the mainline gates , regional jet positions as well as clubroom space. T
121 kgaiflyer : During construction at DCA in the early 90's, USAir operations were moved *into* a hanger -- they made it work because there was no alternative. Then
122 jfklganyc : "Facilitate Connections? What connections could B6 possibly provide in BOS? By its nature, BOS is mainly an O and D airport. Passengers aren't going t
123 deltal1011man : I think what he is getting at is who is going to fly ORD-BOS-DCA. BOS hubs have all be done in the past, all failed. Even with B6s lower cost you can
124 tharanga : domestic connections at BOS: For B6, there's some natural connecting traffic from Cape Air. For US, they get some on US Express from Maine. For the CO
125 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Yet there are folks who do it. I've done it -- both Cape Air to USAir and USAir-Express to United. First, connecting from Cape Air is the *world's mo
126 tharanga : Sure, but unless you put US and CO/UA in the same place, you aren't going to help out those connecting from Maine on US Express, onwards on CO/UA, an
127 cslusarc : Would the US Airways side of Terminal B at BOS have enough space to be home to AC, the new UA and US?
128 Post contains links kgaiflyer : Well . . . AC, NK, and YX are already there. A couple of the US shuttle gates [19, 20, 21] and main concourse gates [12, 13, 14] sit empty part of th
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