JBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4459 posts, RR: 22 Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15022 times:
mtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2120 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14882 times:
Read that its Agni Air enroute to Lukla. Reports say crashed not long after leaving Kathmandu in heavy rain. 15 pax, crew of 3. No mention of a/c type.
Just looked their website and Lukla pic showed a D0228 in their colors. So I'd agree with post underneath.
JBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4459 posts, RR: 22 Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14869 times:
Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 3): Read that its Angi Air enroute to Lukla. Reports say crashed not long after leaving Kathmandu in heavy rain. 15 pax, crew of 3. No mention of a/c type.
If it was Agni Air going to Lukla, there's a 99% chance that it was a Dornier Do-228.
ThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1634 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 14646 times:
Sad, if true. Bear in mind that it is monsoon season in Nepal.
CamiloA380 From Sweden, joined Feb 2008, 484 posts, RR: 22 Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14408 times:
A Dornier 228 turboprop operated by Nepalese regional carrier Agni Air has gone missing while on a flight to Kathmandu. The aircraft, registration is 9N-AHE.
peanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1307 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9584 times:
I just think it's "interesting" to observe that a small prop crash garners less interest on a.net than the recent crash in China. A life is a life is a life. Why are humans so drawn to the bigger and better/worse scenarios?
I like a.net and all but what a bunch of rubberneckers for the wrong reasons!
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ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21027 posts, RR: 60 Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9150 times:
Quoting peanuts (Reply 10): I just think it's "interesting" to observe that a small prop crash garners less interest on a.net than the recent crash in China. A life is a life is a life. Why are humans so drawn to the bigger and better/worse scenarios?
That's your opinion, but we are not really mourning loss of life at all, but more interested in one crash over another because it might hit "closer to home" as they say. In a world of 6 billion people, a crash in a far off land is of less interest to English speakers than one close to home, even for aviation enthusiasts. And even in far off lands, a crash of a modern jet in a populated area is of more interest than a crash of an older, smaller prop plane in a remote area known for treacherous flights, because, again, it's more relatable to a situation we might find ourselves in. Most would never be in a Do228 flying over the Himalayas, but many people will fly in an E-Jet from one city to another. It's just the way it is. People die every day from falls, car crashed, bus accidents, etc., and the world doesn't mourn every one of them nor write a news story about them for international consumption.
And I wouldn't expect anyone in Nepal to follow my death closely either. Unless it was in some spectacular way...
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
You may have missed my drift. Reading actual posts regarding crash threads on a.net paints a different story.
I was also referring to a.net specifically, a site full of aviation nuts to varying degree. A more informed approach from this discriminating crowd would seem more appropriate. I would be as much interested in to knowing why a prop came down or why they couldn't land a regional jet.
This is not the New York Daily I thought. I was wrong.
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rfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6145 posts, RR: 25 Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8227 times:
Quoting peanuts (Reply 10): Why are humans so drawn to the bigger and better/worse scenarios?
Because we are human and we look for answers.
The Do228 is an older aircraft well known as very reliable and safe in rough enviornments. But unlike the Twin Otter crash at Lukla recently - this one happened at night and there are not pictures and no information as to what happened except it went down at night in heavy rain in rough mountains. CFIT is a possible cause, though it could be anything at this point. Not even enough to speculate. A.Netters know that a night flight in those conditons into Kathmandu is a challenge.
The EMB190 on the other hand is the current 'darling' of A.Net - with almost no criticism. This is probably the first fatal hull loss of the aircraft type. That is a big deal to A.Netters!! It was apparently an overrun on landing - and there have been several similar accidents in various aircraft types lately.
BuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2779 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7256 times:
Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 14): Quoting peanuts (Reply 12):
I would be as much interested in to knowing why a prop came down or why they couldn't land a regional jet.
That's easy why it's prop only service to Lukla:
The regional jet remark obviously referred to the Henan E190.
mtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2120 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 5101 times:
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 13): this one happened at night and there are not pictures and no information as to what happened except it went down at night in heavy rain in rough mountains
Well, plane took off just after 0700 (BBC) so it was not at night. Looking at Agni Air site, sched dep time was 0630.
Also, it is not like it got near Lukla area anyway, came down relatively close to the capital city.
As for Chinese crash, total ineptitude IMO by crew. But that's not important to folks that perished.
rfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6145 posts, RR: 25 Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 22 hours ago) and read 4543 times:
Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 16): Well, plane took off just after 0700 (BBC) so it was not at night. Looking at Agni Air site, sched dep time was 0630.
Also, it is not like it got near Lukla area anyway, came down relatively close to the capital city.
As for Chinese crash, total ineptitude IMO by crew. But that's not important to folks that perished.
There may be some confusion between the timing and data on the two crashes in the media.
I've seen several reports on the internet that the Nepal crash was at night. That villagers saw the lights of the plane as it crashed. Now I'm seeing some that they saw the actual plane. Also I've seen reports that the early morning flight was delayed all day before finally trying to get into Lukla at dusk. I've seen the crash site reported at 15 miles south of the Kathmandu airport, 65 miles east and 80 km south.
mirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7419 posts, RR: 65 Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 3941 times:
Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 14): The History Channel's "Most Extreme Airports" has listed the Lukla Airport at the top of its list for high altitude, short runway and 12% grad
That just aired a few weeks ago. Very sad to see it put to the test with the worst outcome.
RIP to those in both accidents.
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rfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6145 posts, RR: 25 Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 3625 times:
This the current information I can find this morning
Quote: "Sources say, the plane had encountered a technical failure in addition to the difficulty due to bad weather. According to reports, the pilot had reported generator failure en route to Lukla and decided to return, but the backup generator also later failed. Generator failure would mean the plane would have lost its cockpit avionics and would be effectively flying blind in rugged terrain and bad weather.
It was going to Simara airport after Kathmandu airport, too, was closed when it returned from Lukla"
Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 4783 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 3614 times:
So, technical failures on top of very bad weather closing both destination AND departure airports ! You have to wonder about safety culture, or just very bad luck ?
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Flying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2359 posts, RR: 10 Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 8 hours ago) and read 3457 times:
Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 14): That's easy why it's prop only service to Lukla:
Lukla Airport has one of the steepest runways in the world, at the end of which is a drop to the valley below.
The History Channel's "Most Extreme Airports" has listed the Lukla Airport at the top of its list for high altitude, short runway and 12% grade.
The approach into KTM is also a tricky one I must say. Makes me think of INN actually. You really have to fly between mountains at rather low altitude to reach KTM Valley. IIRC a TG313 and a PK313 already crashed in the outskirts of KTM with low visibility procedures.
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