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Henan Airlines Crash In China  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12476 posts, RR: 37
Posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 39508 times:

From PPRUNE (Professional Pilots Rumour NEtwork):

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/425127-henan-air-crash-china.html

Henan (by which they presumably mean Hainan Airlines) crash in Northern China; no acft type given, but 96 on board; accident was late on Tuesday evening.

Hainan operates both A320 and 737.

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User currently offlineN809FR From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 182 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 39539 times:

Hope all is well... I would like to believe it was just a minor incident but only time will tell.

User currently offlineseapek888 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 39427 times:

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Hainan operates both A320 and 737.

Hainan and Henan are quite different carriers....not related. Xinua reports reports Henan Airlines crash:


http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2010-08/24/c_13460355.htm


User currently offlineLH648 From Kazakhstan, joined Sep 2006, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 39447 times:

HARBIN, Aug. 24 (Xinhua) -- A passenger plane crashed in Yichun City, northeast China's Heilongjiang Province Tuesday night, local government officials said.

The government sources said the plane crashed at about 10:10 p.m. Tuesday. No details are immediately available.

Rescuers are rushing to the crash site, sources said.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2010-08/24/c_13460348.htm

[Edited 2010-08-24 08:42:59]


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User currently offlineLH648 From Kazakhstan, joined Sep 2006, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 39458 times:

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Henan (by which they presumably mean Hainan Airlines)

No, they really exist.




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User currently offlineLH648 From Kazakhstan, joined Sep 2006, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 39383 times:

reported 96 on-board.


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User currently offlineEIDAA From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 830 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 39388 times:
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Henan Airlines would mean it was an E190 involved.


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User currently offlineseansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 39310 times:

Henan Airlines

EMB190 is the aircraft.

[Edited 2010-08-24 08:48:30]

User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 39312 times:

Quoting LH648 (Reply 4):
No, they really exist.

   Renamed from Kunpeng Airlines lasy year.



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User currently offlineLH648 From Kazakhstan, joined Sep 2006, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 39294 times:

Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 7):
Henan Airlines EMB190 is the aircraft. Henan is a subsiduary of Hainan Airlines and just like Hainan is a province of China.

Parent company is Shenzhen Airlines, according to wiki.



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User currently offlineseansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 39208 times:

Quoting LH648 (Reply 9):
Parent company is Shenzhen Airlines, according to wiki.

Thank you. I've edited my post.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12476 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 39143 times:

Sorry, my bad; just got the most recent JP the other day and it wasn't included!

Anyway, if confirmed as a fatal accident, it would probably be the first for this type (although not the first hull loss).


User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 884 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 39139 times:

Is this the first EMB-190 accident ever? I mean loss of hull?

Are there fatalities? I hope everyone walked away.


User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 39037 times:

That would be the first lost E-Jet, right?

User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 39034 times:

I hope that it will not turn out to be a fatal accident.


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User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 870 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 39041 times:

Sad news.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 11):
Anyway, if confirmed as a fatal accident, it would probably be the first for this type (although not the first hull loss).

When did that happen? I never heard of an E-Jet written off


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6808 posts, RR: 77
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 38976 times:

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 12):
Is this the first EMB-190 accident ever? I mean loss of hull?
Quoting racko (Reply 13):
That would be the first lost E-Jet, right?

No, Aero Republica lost a bird back in 2007:


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User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 884 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 38741 times:

Yeah I remember thatone, did not think it was a write-off. It sure looks pretty good from a picture...

User currently offlineLH648 From Kazakhstan, joined Sep 2006, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 38746 times:

1st hull-loss of EMB190?


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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 38658 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 11):
Anyway, if confirmed as a fatal accident, it would probably be the first for this type (

So far no one has ever died on any Embraer built Jet, including the 135, 145 and so on. This is a sad day.



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User currently offlineLH648 From Kazakhstan, joined Sep 2006, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 38533 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 20):
So far no one has ever died on any Embraer built Jet, including the 135, 145 and so on. This is a sad day.

There's still no info about fatalities. Let's hope for the best.



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User currently offlinepliersinsight From United States of America, joined May 2008, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 38442 times:

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 18):
Yeah I remember thatone, did not think it was a write-off. It sure looks pretty good from a picture...

It was written off.


User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 38452 times:

Now reporting 91 people on board and crashed close to an airport in northeast China's Heilongjiang province.

User currently offlineseapek888 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 38319 times:

The reported crash location, Yichun City, is quite a bit north (approx 350 km) from Harbin....and not terribly distant from the Russian border. Curious as to which route this would have been....I took a quick look at Henan's destinations on their website...unless I'm missing something (certainly possible), I think Harbin is the closest city served by Henan......and so far north of Harbin seems an unlikely place for an accident on a scheduled flight. Curious to hear more details and hoping for good news on the outcome of the incident.

User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 38158 times:

Quoting pliersinsight (Reply 22):

That one doesn´t look even damaged.... look like put there with a crane..... amazing it´s written off....


Hope in Chine everybody it´s fine but crashing during the night are usually worst


25 Post contains links manu : CBC here in Canada started following it just recently. Corrected to 91 people on board. http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/08/24/china-plane-crash024.
26 kaitak : From that angle, it didn't look too bad, although the front of the aircraft was quite badly bruised. However, the real damage in aircraft accidents l
27 GSPSPOT : Any late news on this? Hoping for the best for all involved!
28 Post contains links kaitak : Latest info I have found, from Flight International: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-from-henan-embraer-190-crash.html Crashed on landing; sur
29 Post contains links seapek888 : I missed that Henan serves Yichun on my search of their site...but this fits. VD8388 has a scheduled Tuesday departure at 22:10 from Yichun with a sc
30 LH648 : Euronews reports at least 20 survivors.
31 LH648 : Already at least 47! Good!
32 PlanesNTrains : So perhaps a rejected takeoff gone awry? At least there are survivors - perhaps it isn't as bad as we think? -Dave
33 Post contains links seapek888 : New report from Xinhua that restates incident as a runway overshoot....reports plane engulfed in flames and 20 injured sent to hospital. http://news.x
34 Post contains links clemsonaj : Same thing reported by yahoo news. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_china_plane_crash
35 frigatebird : Dutch news reports it took off from Harbin 1 hour before the crash, landed next to the runway, broke in several pieces and fire broke out. Rescue work
36 initious : Definitely a bad day for aviation in China. I hope all survives! Sad to see a beautiful plane crash. I hope the saying of "incidents come in threes" d
37 Post contains links and images Typhaerion : Report off of Seattle PI was that the tail number was B-3130. If so, this is the aircraft: View Large View MediumPhoto © Weimeng[Edited 2010-08-24 10
38 LH648 : 42 people reported dead. RIP.
39 Post contains links manu : CBC updated with "Chinese state media says 42 people are dead after a Henan Airlines plane with 91 people on board overshot a runway and burst into fl
40 Post contains images SASDC8 : Sad to read news reports now My thoughts are with the families and friends of those who lost their lives. 42 reported dead in Norwegian media. RIP
41 Post contains links jamake1 : Here's a report with a photo of the carnage. http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news/int...d_49_in_hospital.html?cid=26441090
42 GSPSPOT : RIP to all who perished, and wishes for comfort & healing for the families and injured.
43 Post contains links jamake1 : Photo of burned out tail section... http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/China-...NsaWRlc2hvdwRzbGsDc2xpLWV2LWxpbms-
44 litz : Ouch ... if you scroll through the images, there's one of just the windscreen from the cockpit (windows only) sitting on the ground that's pretty chil
45 Post contains links PPVRA : I second that. Depressing news every time something like this happens. Here are some large pictures: http://fotografia.folha.uol.com.br/g...iao-da-em
46 The777Man : Kunpeng Airlines is listed in the new JP. Name change must have occured after it went to print. Sad news.......... The777Man[Edited 2010-08-24 13:24:
47 B747forever : Really sad to hear that so many lost their lives. May they all rest in peace.
48 B2443 : Latest: 43 dead; 53 alive.
49 Post contains images Gonzalo : Both the ASN database and AVHerald have B-3130 in their respective reports, your info seems to be accurate. Sad that too many people died, although c
50 ltbewr : While there are a significant number of survivors, one has to wonder how many were seriously injured and may die in the next few days and weeks. Two q
51 b707forever : What a tragic incident. From looking at the pictures it's amazing anyone walked away at all. Deepest condolences to all those affected by the tragedy.
52 kaitak : Early reports suggest fog was an issue. With regard to your second question, it's too early to say definitively, but presumably the airport would have
53 murchmo : got this from the seattletimes website... A middle-aged man who survived the crash told China Central Television there was bad turbulence as the plane
54 Post contains links YVRLTN : Thats what CNN are reporting http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapc...hina.plane.crash/index.html?hpt=T1 Their initial focus was to find the cockpit vo
55 Post contains links asuflyer : The flight data recorder has been found. A team of specialists from Embraer should arrive shortly in China to help investigate the accident. (Photos o
56 RCS763AV : Im sad that there were fatalities, but at least some more lives were saved. This has to be the first E-jet fatal accident, am I right? BTW, why does t
57 spacecadet : Probably because of damage. Exit doors aren't really much stronger than the rest of the plane, and they're reliant on the structural integrity of the
58 HiJazzey : That's not a nice thought. Belly first is pretty common crash scenario, I hope the doors are designed with that in mind. Have it fail in a way it can
59 PPVRA : Looks like they've added a couple more pictures, both daylight pictures. Absolutely all-consuming fire.
60 F9Animal : Did the pilots survive? By the looks of the cockpit section in pictures, it looks dismal.
61 Post contains links MarkHKG : My question would be if they were referencing the overwing exits (which the E190 has) or the floor level exits. Truth be told I wouldn't be surprised
62 BEG2IAH : "Xinhua said the pilot had survived and had serious facial injuries but was not in a life-threatening condition." They don't mention the second pilot
63 F9Animal : Wow, he is very lucky! I sure hope the other pilot survived. I think this brings up a good subject. It is amazing how many pilots are surviving crash
64 spacecadet : Not trying to sound crass, but did you see the photos? This is not a case where the plane is sitting on the runway or even in the grass on its gear a
65 MarkHKG : Yup, they are plug type doors with pneumatic power assist too. Similar to the Airbus and Boeing 777 design.
66 tennis69 : It is interesting to note that CZ has refused to land at Yichun at night since August of 2009. They sited the surrounding terrain, wind, weather condi
67 Post contains links seapek888 : Here's a short video clip from CCTV on Lindu airport: http://english.cntv.cn/program/newsupdate/20100825/101949.shtml The commentator refers to the ai
68 CYatUK : I am not sure if there is a database listing the runway overruns taking place every year but it appears that they become more often at the same time w
69 teme82 : I think that they meant CAT III C standard for the ILS systems.
70 Post contains images cerecl : 4C refers to the length and width of the runway(s) at the airport. 4C is 737/A320/757 compatible, so 4C airports are usually municipal-level small ai
71 Kaiarahi : Doubt it - this is a small municipal airport.
72 Post contains links and images mandala499 : Looking at: I think it was relatively intact when it came to rest, and fire consumed it all. I think the airport has VORDME and ADF approaches only.
73 Aesma : Another crash ! It's becoming hard to keep up, what's going on ? Sorry about the bad outcome of that one. You could say "on A380" as that's a plane cu
74 Post contains links alwaysontherun : This is the best database that I know off: http://www.planecrashinfo.com/ Regards, ###"I´m always on the Run"###
75 Aesma : I heard the euronews report again, it states that Chinese authorities declared there were technical faults on the type (aka the E-190) in recent month
76 Alibo5NGN : BBC is also reporting that there has been a lot of complaints about the type. Does anyone know whether this is a Chinese assembled E190 or a Brazilia
77 mandala499 : One thing I find interesting about the E170/190 is, if the aircraft degrades to direct law, it will have no ground spoilers... (but it's been a while
78 mrocktor : There are no Chinese assembled E-jets. And so it begins. While I realize speculation is natural in this situation, unsourced generic "technical fault
79 Aesma : I didn't even know they was an assembly line in China, so I looked it up, and the line is in fact in Harbin ! However it assembles ERJ 145s.
80 Post contains links gosimeon : http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/26/world/asia/26beijing.html Some nterestingbits of information here, such as: "The state-run Xinhua news agency report
81 Aesma : No. But according to google earth/maps, there does seem to be a small forest near the airport. The airport itself (and other buildings) is censored,
82 Aesma : Are they getting a special "Chinese quality" version or did I miss a report on similar problems on the worldwide E-jet fleet ?
83 Post contains links and images PPVRA : Haven't heard anything about it but will look up. There's is also EMAS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineered_materials_arrestor_system Yes indeed.
84 mrocktor : That source is claiming the aircraft touched down 1km away from the runway, coming to rest 500m before the threshold. Not an overrun, if true.
85 brilondon : There are structural issues with the wings I am guessing plus I don't think that the engines would be salvageable and probably issues with electronic
86 icna05e : Where is it, from city?Can't find it! It does seemlike many crashes have happened lately. My thoughts go to the relatives of the victims. Best recove
87 Aesma : I was looking around the city, there are whited out things, and one looks like a runway, with taxiways, but according to avherald the airport is not t
88 Post contains links spacecadet : This doesn't completely jibe with what the survivors recall, or with the news reports of the condition of the deceased. I didn't want to say so in my
89 Gonzalo : I agree, but what are the odds of micro burst and fog at the same time and place ? Very low...the conditions necessary to one make almost impossible
90 spacecadet : You're right, I forgot about the fog. Still, I guess it's possible that it wasn't solid fog and that there could have been breaks in it caused by win
91 BuyantUkhaa : It seems so, yes, you can see the bottom of the fuselage stretching out in front of the empennage, so this was fire damage, not impact. That would be
92 ltbewr : What is the policy in China PRC as to pilots, ATC, Airline mechanics, airline officials as to if there is a crash, if any of them could face serious c
93 mandala499 : I'm hearing that Henan Airlines is grounding it's 4 E190s... basically suspending it's operations... though I cannot find the link to it yet... Is the
94 spacecadet : For 3 days. This kind of thing seems to be common in certain Asian countries, and I'm not sure what the point of it would be. It's almost like they j
95 Post contains links and images LipeGIG : Sad news. And not a good week for Embraer. This wednesday a Passaredo ERJ145 also made an emergy landing as the landing gear do not worked. At least n
96 eisenbach : Micro burst AND fog is not possible. But it is possible, that when you have fog (or an inversion) that you have calm winds or another wind direction
97 henry71 : does anybody know the nationality of the Captain and the FO? a friend of mine (american) is captain on a EMB190 with Kunpeng Airlines.
98 Post contains images Gonzalo : That's what Spacecadet and I were saying : It's very sad that we can't look a METAR to have a better idea about the weather conditions... I guess the
99 mandala499 : DId you mean these or something else? ZYLD 241600Z 00000MPS 0600 FG NSC 13/13 Q1015 = ZYLD 241500Z 00000MPS 0600 FG NSC 13/13 Q1015 = ZYLD 241400Z 15
100 Gonzalo : YES !! As usual you come to the rescue of the Neanderthals of the forum !!! ( Thank you very much ) That makes the things more clear. Rgds. G.
101 mandala499 : The aircraft undershot the runway by 1500m... and reported he could see the approach lights before the crash... Now, this is getting interesting... I
102 Post contains links avlnative : Photos here http://news.qq.com/a/20100825/000123.htm#p=1
103 N809FR : It wouldn't surprise me if the reported "fog" was really smog, China has some of the dirtiest skies in the world so why that hasn't become a decent po
104 mrocktor : China is also a pretty big place, its not like you can find this famous smog anywhere in the country.
105 Post contains links N809FR : I'm basing my statement on this picture: http://news.qq.com/a/20100825/000123.htm#p=22 that makes it look very smogy to me...
106 PPVRA : Smog in China isn't as bad as people think. What they often see is the desert sand/dust storms blowing over. I've experienced them in Beijing and it i
107 spacecadet : That could also be outright smoke. This photo seems to have been taken the night of the accident like some of the others in that series, and the plan
108 Post contains links seapek888 : The Henan Airlines President has been removed and replaced.....looks like an optics move: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...in-china-crash-xinhua
109 Post contains links seapek888 : Henan province, which has no commercial interest in the airline, has ordered that 'Henan Airlines' rebrand themselves after the crash. I'm not familia
110 Post contains links and images A342 : Now confirmed by Flightglobal: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...henan-name-change-after-crash.html Reaction to an accident, Chinese style. Gott
111 Post contains links seapek888 : Four reporters were detained while covering this story, prompting a protest from other reporters. http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2010-08/568249.h
112 mrocktor : This is China we are talking about, you "need" whatever the government official decides you "need".
113 henry71 : no more details of the crash?[Edited 2010-09-12 04:38:25]
114 cerecl : Pilot error was suspected as the main cause of the disaster. The plane hit trees some 2000 metres and crashed landed some 1200 metres away from the r
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