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NW 747 Freighters Will Live On...  
User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1644 posts, RR: 12
Posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15352 times:
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Kalitta is buying the stored Northwest 747-200F fleet in Marana. I would guess not all 12 are going to be flying - some will likely be cut up for parts. But several of these birds were flying with upgraded JT9D engines at the end of their service so there's some upside there.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/worldairlinenews/archives/219186.asp

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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1310 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 15297 times:

Love to see 747's come back to life!


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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3163 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 15102 times:

Are any of these 747-251F's, or are they all the second-hand ships like 6744 (747-212F) and 6745/6746 (747-222F)


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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3696 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 15036 times:
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Any word on what they intend to do with them? An extra 12 aircraft is a 50% unit increase in the total fleet. In addition, they have two -400s awaiting conversion and I think I read somewhere they bought N526MC from Atlas...

I'm guessing some of the newly-acquired -200s will replace the -100s still in service, but what's the plan for the others? Replacing -200s built in the late 70s with -200s built in the mid 80s and newer engines?

Even accounting for Kalitta's model under which planes don't fly that much to begin with, their fleet doesn't seem all that busy as of late, and they stand to lose some DHL flying to Aerologic when Aerologic gets more 777Fs coming in. Do they have other expansion plans or are they banking on the cargo industry recovery?



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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3696 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 14943 times:
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Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 2):
Are any of these 747-251F'

5 that I know of. MSN 21120, 21321, 22388, 22389 and 23888.
(sorry don't know NW's l/n).



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User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1644 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 14914 times:
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Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 2):
Are any of these 747-251F's, or are they all the second-hand ships like 6744 (747-212F) and 6745/6746 (747-222F)

The last updated fleet log I had for the 747-200F fleet showed 12 stored at Marana and 1 stored at Victorville (13 total). This list did not include a few freighters broken up for parts or derelict - just freighters being stored and maintained for possible return to service.

8 -251F's are parked at Marana; 1 -251F is parked at Victorville (and the aircraft I'm guessing is not part of the sale). The remaining stored -200F's are the -222F's; -212F; -2J9F.

And as a follow on to my first post, regarding the upgraded JT9D's, I'm talking about the 4 PW JT9D-7R4G2's.


User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 14894 times:

From cactuswings, here are the 12 airframes sold, reportedly along with 120 JT9D engines.

N623US 21705 6623 747-251B

N624US 21706 6624 747-251B

N616US 21120 6716 747-251F

N619US 21321 6719 747-251F

N629US 22388 6729 747-251F

N630US 21668 6730 747-2J9F

N631NW 23111 6731 747-251B

N632NW 23112 6732 747-251B

N640US 23888 6740 747-251F

N644NW 24177 6744 747-212F

N645NW 23736 6745 747-222B

N646NW 23737 6746 747-222B



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User currently offlinetb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 14557 times:

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 3):
Even accounting for Kalitta's model under which planes don't fly that much to begin with, their fleet doesn't seem all that busy as of late, and they stand to lose some DHL flying to Aerologic when Aerologic gets more 777Fs coming in. Do they have other expansion plans or are they banking on the cargo industry recovery?

Connie doesn't buy planes to sit on the ground. Only a few will fly, I'd imagine maybe 5 or 6, the rest will be donors.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10358 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14386 times:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 6):

N623US 21705 6623 747-251B
N624US 21706 6624 747-251B
N616US 21120 6716 747-251F
N619US 21321 6719 747-251F
N629US 22388 6729 747-251F
N630US 21668 6730 747-2J9F
N631NW 23111 6731 747-251B
N632NW 23112 6732 747-251B
N640US 23888 6740 747-251F
N644NW 24177 6744 747-212F
N645NW 23736 6745 747-222B
N646NW 23737 6746 747-222B
Quoting tb727 (Reply 7):
Connie doesn't buy planes to sit on the ground. Only a few will fly, I'd imagine maybe 5 or 6, the rest will be donors.

N623US and N624US are 31 year-old pax planes (the two retired last year), so they´ll be for spares.
N616US and N619US are even older, almost 35 years old and well above 100.000 hours, I guess these two will also be parts donors.
N629US and N630US are also quite old (ca. 30 years continuous service), there chances to fly again are slim.
The other six are "fresh" enough to soldier on for a few years.

Kalitta seems to be expanding, they are said to receive some ex-JAL 744s as well.


User currently offlinetb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 14169 times:

Quoting na (Reply 8):
Kalitta seems to be expanding, they are said to receive some ex-JAL 744s as well.

Not yet but hopefully it will happen.



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User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2849 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 13957 times:

Quoting na (Reply 8):

Kalitta seems to be expanding, they are said to receive some ex-JAL 744s as well.


Maybe Connie is expecting Gulfwar 3 to pay off the new fleet.  Wow!

You have to give Kalitta credit in the fact that he always seems to make money, at one time he had a massive fleet before getting crosswise with regulators.

Okie


User currently offlineB737900 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13242 times:
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I remember flying into Belize City in 1992, and while deplaning saw out the window a Kalitta Air 707 parked on the tarmac. I was impressed to see his ac there. I was a drag racing fan. The guy in front of us said, "Wow look at that plane." I said, "Yeah, the drag racer." I think that Kalitta Air makes a living by flying where no one else will. I would be interested to know what his fleet consists of. Can anyone supply that info?


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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2825 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13048 times:

Quoting okie (Reply 10):
You have to give Kalitta credit in the fact that he always seems to make money, at one time he had a massive fleet before getting crosswise with regulators.

Many, many a night I spent unloading Kalitta 727s and DC-9s, among other planes full of auto parts. Didn't he run some turbo-Beech-18s?

I'm going to admit I'm 100% in the dark as to when NW stopped flying 742f-s. I remember them coming through SEA, but I've been away from airport ops for a while. Kalitta's operation is fascinating. I know there are a lot of on-demand cargo operators out there, but they have the capacity to deal with some random phone call in the late afternoon saying, "I need to fly 30 tons of priority auto parts, horses, or nuclear plant parts to (insert distant, war torn, short runway city here) within the next 18 hours."



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User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13046 times:

741 - 4
742 - 12
743 - 1
744 - 4

According to wiki, as of April...


User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2849 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12646 times:

Quoting B737900 (Reply 11):
I remember flying into Belize City in 1992, and while deplaning saw out the window a Kalitta Air 707 parked on the tarmac


Probably a DC-8, I am not sure that Kalitta ever had a 707 or 720 but I could be wrong.

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 13):
741 - 4
742 - 12
743 - 1
744 - 4


+12 more or so, even if they park the 741's that would give you 29 747's plus what ever 744's that are to come sometime. I am sure there are some smaller craft in there as well.
Not too shabby for a privately owned airline/freight company

I think however before the regulators clamped down in the early 90's, Kalitta operated: Kalitta Air, AIA and Kitty Hawk which gave him a fleet larger than now even with the additional NW 742's

Okie


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1824 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12372 times:

Good to see some of the ex-NW freighters get a new lease on life. 6731, 6732, 6740, 6745, and 6746 were "young" classics anyway, so they have plenty of life left in them.

I wonder what the deal is with 6739, the one at VCV. That's also a fairly new classic and it's interesting that's it's sitting there and not at MZJ.


User currently offlinemspspotter From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12010 times:

Kalitta Air seems to be doing just fine. He recently brought back 100 pilots.

This is a quote from an article written this past June.....

Quote:from Ann Arbor.com article

Kalitta Air made a first-quarter turnaround and is doing 100 percent more business than it was last year, Kalitta said. He operates 18 airplanes, a fleet that logs 4,000 hours a month - twice the volume they were at this time last year. Earlier this year, Kalitta brought back 100 pilots that had been furloughed.

Link to the article.
http://www.annarbor.com/sports/drag-...n-evident-at-the-track-in-the-air/


User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8484 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 15):

I landed in MZJ last week and it was very busy, perhaps they do not have more room.


User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7676 times:

Quoting na (Reply 8):
are even older

And? You realize you are talking about a company that still flies -100s and -300s. They will use any airplane that can fly to work the military contracts which I assume keep getting bigger.


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7631 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 12):
I'm going to admit I'm 100% in the dark as to when NW stopped flying 742f-s.

Last flights were in December of 2009 and all were parked by 12/29.



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User currently offlinetb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7423 times:

Quoting okie (Reply 14):

Probably a DC-8, I am not sure that Kalitta ever had a 707 or 720 but I could be wrong.

It was a DC-8, most likely a MIA based plane back during that period.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 12):
Many, many a night I spent unloading Kalitta 727s and DC-9s, among other planes full of auto parts. Didn't he run some turbo-Beech-18s?

Still have a -9 and a few 727's. Used to run Volpars(Turbine BE18)until 9/2001 along with Learjets and Falcon 20's which are still flying every day on freight, ambulance and pax charters all over the place.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 12):
I know there are a lot of on-demand cargo operators out there, but they have the capacity to deal with some random phone call in the late afternoon saying, "I need to fly 30 tons of priority auto parts, horses, or nuclear plant parts to (insert distant, war torn, short runway city here) within the next 18 hours."

I wish we had 18 hours to get the job done lol. It's usually a 2 hour notice and we have to be in the air, 45 minutes in the smaller planes. On the plus side, when you make up your own schedule you are always on time! I have flown some of the most random things from a single computer chip in an envelope to a horse that is probably worth more than my life.



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User currently offlinemcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6642 times:

Does anyone know how much was paid for these 747's? I'm curious as to the value of these 30 year old aircraft. I suspect that NWA took very good care of them.

User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6483 times:

Quoting mcg (Reply 21):
Does anyone know how much was paid for these 747's? I'm curious as to the value of these 30 year old aircraft. I suspect that NWA took very good care of them.

Good question, I was wondering myself. $1 million each? I have no idea the value but would like to know as well!


User currently offlineFauzi From Brunei, joined Jul 2005, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5871 times:

Assuming they paid dirt cheap for these frames, the military contract out of gulf could easily cover their expenses etc

Do they have military contracts?



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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7382 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5765 times:

Quoting tb727 (Reply 20):
Still have a -9 and a few 727's

Isn't that a separate company that flies those?



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25 tb727 : Yep. Pretty much all the 747 operators have military contracts, even NW was operating them on the 747F's right up to the end. I am not saying this to
26 CrimsonNL : We get them regularly at AMS. To Bahrain I think. However from time to time you see them in the airport system flying to an offbeat destination, I re
27 747classic : Nice to see a fleet of my favorite aircraft back on duty again. It all depends on what hours/ cycles are still available on each airframe until the ne
28 Post contains links tjwgrr : Looks like one of the -200's is enroute to OSC from MZJ right now: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CKS9623 Here's another one moved to OSC last Fri
29 timf : I notice the flight numbers are 9623 and 9632. Does this mean they are N623US and N632NW, respectively? These aircraft appear to still be registered t
30 Candid76 : Apparently it was ferried to Rome, NY on 13 July so it is no longer at VCV. Will be interesting to see where it goes next.
31 n7371f : On the older 747's, whose age is around 25-30 years, and those that have high cycles - the engines are of higher value than the airframe in most cases
32 na : They bought two Swissair 743s, not KLM. KLMs 743s had GEs.
33 na : I wondered that too. Its an identical sister to ship 6740 which goes to Kalitta. Odd that its excluded from the Kalitta deal, or maybe just forgotten
34 Spacepope : The list covered all 12 that were at MZJ, which was the deal. The VCV bird wasn't included in the transaction, AFAIK. Rome/NY sees a lot of 747s dest
35 n7371f : N639US was given a temporary certificate on 6/22/10 to Wells Fargo Bank NW Trustee. Certificate was good for one month. Interestingly the aircraft wa
36 JohnClipper : Now if only their reliability would improve...
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