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Australian Aviation Thread # 39  
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 677 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 19894 times:

Throughout thread 38, the following was discussed / mentioned / announced:

* Record number of flights to Bali and the ever increasing passenger figures
* Possible Qantas / Jetstar 787 routes from Australia
* Further Tiger woes - earlier departure from Brisbane
* Jetstar pilot cadetship
* CASA and Tiger Airways
* Cathay Pacific to increase services to Brisbane / Cairns / Perth / Sydney from NOV10
* Fares from Australia to Europe
* V Australia and the much rumoured Perth - London and Sydney - New York services
* Qantas' next generation check-in introduced in Perth
* Qantas annual profit
* Pacific Flier suspends services to the Gold Coast and Micronesia
* Vietnam Airlines confirms charter services to Adelaide
* Pacific Blue to cease domestic NZ flying from October 2010
* V Australia to suspend Nadi, Fiji services with Pacific Blue to take over flying with 73Hs
* Record passenger growth at Melbourne Airport
* Pacific Blue to increase select services from Australia
* Jetstar announce new A320 services from Brisbane and Gold Coast to Perth
* Tiger to reduce ADL-based flying with Brisbane / Gold Coast services cut
* Brisbane Airport breaks monthly passenger record
* Parallel runway in Brisbane - need and when construction is expected to commence
* Air services from Adelaide Airport
* Cairns - Los Angeles services - viability, schedules etc
* Qantas ground select Q400s due to advice from Bombardier
* V Australia 777-300ER damaged in Los Angeles - flow on effect to network
* Qantas to introduce Premium Economy to Frankfurt and Tokyo, with newly configured 747-400s
* Jetstar to increase Cairns services, with 25 new weekly services from 2011

Cheers  

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User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 677 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 19895 times:

Qantas is set to introduce seasonal, nonstop services between Brisbane and Broome from April 2011.

Planned schedule is as follows:

BNE/BME 07:45/10:45 QF1030 Thu
BME/BNE 11:30/18:00 QF1031 Thu

BNE/BME 10:30/13:30 QF1030 Sun
BME/BNE 14:30/21:00 QF1031 Sun

This new service will compliment the existing 2x weekly seasonal services from Sydney and Melbourne to Broome.

Fares start at $369 one way.

Cheers


User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3174 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19847 times:

Virgin Blue have released their latest sale.

It's our 10th Birthday so we're taking up to 40%* off our fares - check out Syd to Bris for only $55

So that means Qantas have to respond with.

Fares around Australia on sale!

We have some great fares around Australia available for departures from 11 January to 6 April 2011 and 3 May to 22 June 2011, unless otherwise stated.

Other great fares are available at qantas.com for departures from 12 October to 8 December 2010.

Sale ends 11.59pm (AEST) Tuesday 31 August 2010, unless sold out prior. Availability is limited.

Quoting QF175 (Thread starter):
V Australia 777-300ER damaged in Los Angeles - flow on effect to network

I heard that Strategic Aviation did a BNE-HKT-BNE run due to the V Australia plane being damaged.



Why fly non stop when you can connect
User currently offlineDitzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 715 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 19726 times:

With respect to the two-class 744s getting Premium Economy, these will NOT be in the configuration of the nine 744s not being retired. The nine not being retired are getting refurbished and the product will be close to A380 standard with respect to IFE and seating.

The reconfiguration being announced is simply the removal of rows of Economy to make room for Premium. The press release mentions a stand up bar for Premium Economy - which is a new development for the 744 W product if correct.

The 2 class 744s have been operating BNE-LAX with a 14 seat Premium cabin in the area that is normally the two rows of Business behind Doors 1. This is known as a cosmetic configuration.

Premium Economy is referred to as it's own product/cabin and there is no 2.5 or 3.5 class config, as mentioned by TheGeek. If you are familiar with the Premium product you would see it really is its own standard of product, distinct from that of Economy or Business. Qantas' 744 configs are known internally as Pacific (4 class - larger J and W cabins), Kangaroo (4 class), 2 Class (These are the 744s to be reconfigured for NRT and FRA flying and I have a suspicion that they will be known as 3 class after the refurbishment. These aircraft will not be receiving the IFE or seat upgrades of the nine 744s being kept on as they are still planned for earlier retirement).

The nine 744s being upgraded will have 58J 36W 265Y. The 2 Class 744s being reconfigured will have 56J 40W 275Y.


User currently offlineaussieindc From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 19630 times:

Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 3):
The 2 class 744s have been operating BNE-LAX with a 14 seat Premium cabin in the area that is normally the two rows of Business behind Doors 1. This is known as a cosmetic configuration.

I believe this has ceased for some time now as Premium Economy is not available LAX-BNE unless going through SYD.

Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 3):
The reconfiguration being announced is simply the removal of rows of Economy to make room for Premium. The press release mentions a stand up bar for Premium Economy - which is a new development for the 744 W product if correct.

Which makes me wonder why they did not announce that BNE-LAX would also offer Premium Economy as of February, given that there are only 7 x 2 class config birds in the fleet (according to one of our favourite sites for fleet info http://qflyer.info/qantas.html)

I certainly hope this is the case for my trip back home to Brisbane late February.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12411 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 19609 times:

There's been a lot of discussion on PPRUNE about widebodies for Virgin Blue, with a general consensus (in later posts) that the A330 is the chosen instrument, and EK being the source of the aircraft; EK will start disposing of some of its older fleet from next year, including the A332s, A343s and 777-200s (except -200LRs, of course!).

The A330s will be a stopgap, it is also alleged, pending arrival of 787s later in the decade. Some rumours pointed to 767s, but since A330s will apparently be available at nearly the same lease costs as 763s, VB might as well get the most bang for its buck, so to speak. VB's CEO, John Borghetti, is also said to be a strong admirer of the A330, following his career with QF.


User currently offlineDJ748 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 19534 times:

Quoting aussieindc (Reply 4):
I believe this has ceased for some time now as Premium Economy is not available LAX-BNE unless going through SYD.
Which makes me wonder why they did not announce that BNE-LAX would also offer Premium Economy as of February,

BNE does from time to time see the Y+ birds, and we actually see them more often than what most people would like to think (most people think BNE vary rarely seems them). But in saying that, most of the services are flown with the 2-class 744's, but never say never - I've seen Wunula Dreaming on a number of occassions here in BNE so anything is possible.


User currently offlineaussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 19421 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 5):
There's been a lot of discussion on PPRUNE about widebodies for Virgin Blue, with a general consensus (in later posts) that the A330 is the chosen instrument, and EK being the source of the aircraft; EK will start disposing of some of its older fleet from next year, including the A332s, A343s and 777-200s (except -200LRs, of course!).

The A330s will be a stopgap, it is also alleged, pending arrival of 787s later in the decade. Some rumours pointed to 767s, but since A330s will apparently be available at nearly the same lease costs as 763s, VB might as well get the most bang for its buck, so to speak. VB's CEO, John Borghetti, is also said to be a strong admirer of the A330, following his career with QF.

Indeed you are right. DJ will start with 2 x A332's for their East-West coast runs.

Virgin Blue posts $34.3m profit
Source: travel Today
Virgin Blue has posted a pre-tax profit of $34.3m for the year to June 30, as the carrier reported a decline in demand during the fourth quarter.

The carrier also announced V Australia will withdraw from its “loss-making” Boeing 777-300 services to South Africa and Phuket.

Chief executive John Borghetti said the profit result was in line with expectations after a deterioration in the fourth quarter.

The result is an improvement on the huge $160m loss posted in the previous financial year.

The result comes after Virgin Blue announced in May it had seen a “rapid deterioration” in the leisure segment (Travel Today, May 28), announcing a profit downgrade from $80m to between $20m and $40m.

The carrier also announced it will add two wide-body A330-200 aircraft between the east coast and Western Australia.


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 19365 times:

Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 3):
there is no 2.5 or 3.5 class config, as mentioned by TheGeek

If it makes you feel better I can refer to these aircraft as J/W/Y birds.


User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 19319 times:

Congratulations to Virgin Blue. A good profit for possible the most difficult 12 months in their 10 year history.
The news about route consolidation and new focus with the A332 is good news for the future.

Now if only they have never started V Australia. Of course 4 years ago things were entirely different



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 19233 times:

Quoting aussie747 (Reply 7):
The carrier also announced it will add two wide-body A330-200 aircraft between the east coast and Western Australia.

A sub-fleet of 2 planes seems like a very economicly unsound business decision, unless they have bigger plans to expand, adding more of these planes.

As for Sth Africa, I can only hope Air NZ start AKL-MEL-JNB. They have 744's in their fleet, for the time being anyway, and can use a more direct route. Once those planes are retired, the only remaining planes will be 77W's which would have similar issues to VA.

Interesting times ahead.

[Edited 2010-08-25 20:11:06]

User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1525 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 19139 times:

Seems good news:

Qantas Group Announces Increase in Domestic Capacity
Sydney, 25 August 2010

The Qantas Group today announced plans to increase capacity across its domestic route network by 9.6 per cent, including a number of new routes for both Qantas and Jetstar.

Qantas Chief Executive Officer, Mr Alan Joyce, said over the next nine months the Group would increase capacity by more than 66,000 seats per week once fully implemented, with the addition of new aircraft to the domestic fleet and in response to the recovering domestic market.

“The changes will see around 65 additional return services for Qantas and around 120 return services for Jetstar introduced across selected routes.

“Seven additional aircraft will be deployed on the Qantas domestic network this financial year. In July 2010, we added a B767-300 to grow routes including the key east – west market of Sydney to Perth.”


http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn.../details?ArticleID=2010/aug10/5013

This means the next A332 delivered will be in domestic configuration, it will also be nice to see PTV equipped 738 from QF on the domestic front I hope we see QF change their plans and refit the rest of the fleet certainly not counting on it though. Will these 5 addition 738 replace any 734s?

Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 3):
The 2 class 744s have been operating BNE-LAX with a 14 seat Premium cabin in the area that is normally the two rows of Business behind Doors 1. This is known as a cosmetic configuration.

Seems very strange that they would reconfig 6 out of 7 two class aircraft to have W, unless they are planning on retiring one soon? How would this impact the BNE-LAX route?

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 10):
As for Sth Africa, I can only hope Air NZ start AKL-MEL-JNB. They have 744's in their fleet, for the time being anyway, and can use a more direct route

I would love to see QF (or anyone) increase MEL-JNB to fill the void left by VA, however I am unsure even with a codeshare with SA that NZ or QF could make this route work, but I have my fingers crossed.
I wonder if the recent changes from VA could see QF hold onto a few 744s for a bit longer up the competition.
I do remember at one point someone from QF announcing at the time of the EY codeshare announcement that with the delivery of additional A380s QF would fly to AUH from Australia, I guess this is no longer on the cards  

[Edited 2010-09-05 09:50:23 by srbmod]

User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 19093 times:

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...rport/story-e6frfku0-1225910461512

"Other major east coast airports, including Melbourne and Brisbane, are expected to experience some flow-on delays as a result of the weather conditions in Sydney."





VIRGIN Blue Holdings chief executive John Borghetti says he expects a decision on the alliance proposals with Delta Airlines and Air New Zealand in September.

Mr Borghetti added he was hoping the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission's decision on the proposed alliance with Air NZ would be announced by Christmas.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/business/brea...frfkur-1225910406353#ixzz0xgWskorz



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1634 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 19089 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 11):
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 10):
As for Sth Africa, I can only hope Air NZ start AKL-MEL-JNB. They have 744's in their fleet, for the time being anyway, and can use a more direct route

I would love to see QF (or anyone) increase MEL-JNB to fill the void left by VA, however I am unsure even with a codeshare with SA that NZ or QF could make this route work, but I have my fingers crossed.
I wonder if the recent changes from VA could see QF hold onto a few 744s for a bit longer up the competition.
I do remember at one point someone from QF announcing at the time of the EY codeshare announcement that with the delivery of additional A380s QF would fly to AUH from Australia, I guess this is no longer on the cards

I think that NZ operating AKL-MEL-JNB is a real possibility, for reasons spelled out on the thread discussing the VA changes. Rumours from an NZ insider have hinted at both (a) the retention of two 744s, and (b) an imminent new long-haul route. Check out my post at Virgin Blue Adds A330s, VA Drops Africa, Thailand (by QF744 Aug 25 2010 in Civil Aviation) for more detail on this.



This is not my beautiful house . . . This is not my beautiful wife
User currently offlinebrad330 From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18986 times:

Virgin Blue are getting rid of there 6 embraer 170's

This means we will no longer see:

- Albury
-Port Maquarie
-Mildura

Why is this?


User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18975 times:

All I see is bad press for Tiger Airlines in Australia..............................

Tiger Airways has achieved the worst on-time performance results of the major Australian airlines since August last year, when Jetstar scored worse.


http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/travel...again/story-fn3015fd-1225857502316



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18972 times:

Quoting brad330 (Reply 14):
Virgin Blue are getting rid of there 6 embraer 170's

This means we will no longer see:

- Albury
-Port Maquarie
-Mildura

Why is this?

Damn he really has gone all out to restructure things.

I think its because these size planes are harder to turn a profit on, and were a smaller sub-fleet for the airline. The E190's are bigger and are considered a more effecient plane, with better CASM results.

I still think the E190's could be used on those 3 services, if push came to shove. If the destinations struggle for them though, its no use.


User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18961 times:

Theres a lot of confidence in these moves by JB for Virgin Blue. I see basically all good news and shares in VBA (Virgin Blue Holdings Ltd. ASX) jumped 12.5% today, so it seems the financial market has a lot of confidence in JB


Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 748 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18942 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 11):
Seems very strange that they would reconfig 6 out of 7 two class aircraft to have W, unless they are planning on retiring one soon? How would this impact the BNE-LAX route?

Qantas will need 5 aircraft to operate QF 5,6, 21 & 22 daily. If they reconfigure 6 that would give one spare for maintaince. As for BNE-LAX, maybe this means that route will be flown with the reconfigured Pacific 744's ( without F).


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 18937 times:

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 17):
Theres a lot of confidence in these moves by JB for Virgin Blue. I see basically all good news and shares in VBA (Virgin Blue Holdings Ltd. ASX) jumped 12.5% today, so it seems the financial market has a lot of confidence in JB

As the shareprice is so low (around 30 cents), any change seems huge, in either direction.

I must say though that he must have alot of conviction in his vision for the airline. Lets hope it does not become a Sydney-centric QF clone though. Theres other markets to tap into.


User currently offlineBoof From Australia, joined Apr 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 18935 times:

Quoting brad330 (Reply 14):
Virgin Blue are getting rid of there 6 embraer 170's

I'm not saying you are wrong with this info but can you post a source please? I've read the press releases on the DJ website and I cant seem to find anywhere where this info has been stated. If the rumours that DJ are looking for a turboprop are correct then this would make sense.



If only B6 flew in Australia...
User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 18941 times:

Quoting brad330 (Reply 14):
Virgin Blue are getting rid of there 6 embraer 170's

Sorry, perhaps answered before but what about SYD-CBR? I thought that route was the main reason for these planes being bought in the first place.


User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 18921 times:

Quoting Boof (Reply 20):
Quoting brad330 (Reply 14):
Virgin Blue are getting rid of there 6 embraer 170's

I'm not saying you are wrong with this info but can you post a source please? I've read the press releases on the DJ website and I cant seem to find anywhere where this info has been stated. If the rumours that DJ are looking for a turboprop are correct then this would make sense.

There's no formal announcement but its on a few news sites

"However, some regional routes could be axed or upgraded, with Borghetti confirming aviation industry speculation that the 78-seat Embraer E170 aircraft would be removed from the Virgin Blue fleet.
“We are reviewing the Embraers – the E170s in particular,” he said. “It’s not an economically-viable aircraft, for the missions we fly to its not appropriate and we intend to sell them.”
Currently, the fleet of six Virgin Blue Embraer E170s are being on used on routes between Sydney and Canberra, Sydney and Port Macquarie, and Melbourne and Mildura amongst others."


http://www.spicenews.com.au/2010/08/...ness-travel-market/LAPJFPAUYI.html



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1525 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 18917 times:

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 18):

Qantas will need 5 aircraft to operate QF 5,6, 21 & 22 daily. If they reconfigure 6 that would give one spare for maintaince. As for BNE-LAX, maybe this means that route will be flown with the reconfigured Pacific 744's ( without F)

Yes that makes a great deal of sense about the reconfigured Pacific fleet, when is work due to start on them the middle of next year wasn't it? It would certainly be making great a great step towards a consistent product across the pacific. Where else does the speculation have them flying too? The SYD-NRT route is currently only 6 days on 744 the other day is an A330, Perhaps this will change in the future to a daily 744 service, I think this is a chance due to the reduction in Y class seating.

I would also like to see the spare (and last remaining) 2 class 744 used on SYD-PER route, perhaps to counter the arrival of the DJ A330s? Does anyone have any idea when these DJ A332s will be arriving I can't see anything in the press releases.

Is there much spare capacity in the international A332 fleet? With a new domestic A332 being delivered in Jan and the potential for SYD-NRT to go to a daily 744, is there any chance the freed up A332s could upgrade PER-NRT and SYD-HNL? My ideal scenario as I mentioned above would be for a rotation of PER, NRT and MEL to somehow be squeezed out of the A332s...


User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 18783 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 11):
I would love to see QF (or anyone) increase MEL-JNB to fill the void left by VA, however I am unsure even with a codeshare with SA that NZ or QF could make this route work, but I have my fingers crossed.

QF, in fact, introduced MEL-JNB nonstop and it was very short-lived! And SAA is on record as describing VA's MEL-JNB as (giggle) "interesting".


25 ZK-NBT : Not really it requires 3 to run the SYD-AKL-LAX-JFK run then there is a weekly to NRT with the odd flight to CGK and PVG I think and MNL from NOV. Th
26 DavidByrne : NZ insider has now confirmed that AKL-MEL-JNB is NOT the new route that NZ's two retained 744s will be put to work on.
27 Post contains images TN486 : Sometime ago (and this is NOT a "told you so" post) I suggested that I considered the Embraer the wrong ac in the DJ fleet. I still think in the medui
28 Zkpilot : By which time ETOPS won't exist and everyone will have to deal with EROPs so it won't matter. 1 is supposed to be going. QF has plans to retire 1 for
29 Post contains images aussieindc : Correct and I'm always hopeful of a 4 class bird operating the segment. The issue is that QF aren't selling Y+ seats/fares on the QF15/16. I'm more t
30 kiwiandrew : I think that you mean EDTO rather than EROPS , however , there is some feeling that CASA would not authorise flights for twins across the Southern Oc
31 DavidByrne : I think that if the NZ-DJ partnership on the Tasman were to commence some of the new routes that have been speculated about (specifically AKL-CBR, AK
32 ditzyboy : The internal system I am looking at shows W seats for sale on the QF15 on every date I have entered. It is the QF5/6 that sees Pacific (and sometime
33 thegeek : I'm not, but the only reason I stuck with the 2.5 class term is the "3 class" implies F/J/Y, at least to me, and I was trying to avoid confusion.
34 alangirvan : Replacing the Embraer 170s may be a matter of waiting a bit. Currently you can choose brand new ATR72-600s or DHC-8-400NGs. With the ATRS, there might
35 747m8te : But will they actually bother replacing the E170s?...doubtful...probably simply just get rid of them and the routes that can't support a larger aircr
36 Post contains links pugsley : "Hogan said Etihad had initially sought deeper cooperation with Qantas, where Borghetti had brokered the original deal while with the flag carrier.
37 jetfuel : They need a partner to be successful. JQ on its own will not work to the middle east. I am sure EK doesn't want to partner with JQ, so who's left. Se
38 alangirvan : In the bad old days of the Two Airline Policy SYD-CBR was one of those routes which benefited from cross subsidisation. A little bit of profit from f
39 Post contains links QF762 : We may see Qantas B747-400 aircraft flying to China over the northern winter: QANTAS wants to upgrade aircraft on selected China services from Airbus
40 anstar : I reckon they will just use the E190 on this route rather than drop it.
41 Post contains links PA515 : The Virgin Blue E170's (c/n 17000180, 187, 191, 227, 247 & 255) are listed on www.planemart.com The listing is for 'Sale/Lease' and available 'Imm
42 Post contains images allrite : I've seen a DJ E190 at CBR, though I guess that it was flying somewhere other than to or from Sydney, seeing as that was my destination on a E170. In
43 jetfuel : The ad states listed Listed on : 7/22/2010
44 aussieindc : Thanks ditzyboy! I've been keeping an eye on the QF website looking at Y+ in February for my trip home and availability was showing through SYD only.
45 6thfreedom : I agree... regional flying going out to REX and Skywest, with DJ focussing on B737/A330 flying.
46 IndianicWorld : As QF and SAA are both codeshare partners, any decision to bring competition would be seen as 'interesting' and laughed off as a joke. VA had the wro
47 IndianicWorld : I read that too, but who knows in this industry. Things change, and it might be on the drawing board.
48 Post contains images RyanairGuru : DJ use the E90s into CBR all the time. BNE is scheduled 100% E90, MEL is usually an E90, and SYD picks them up more than you would expect as well. Ev
49 smi0006 : I think there used to be (or currently is) a 767 from MEL, early in the morning. I don't know why there isn't any from SYD or why there aren't any la
50 ZuluAlpha : Yeah there is, QF804 std 0720hrs sta 0825hrs returning as QF811 std 0910 sta 1015 And agree with your comment that strange no afternoon service. Look
51 Post contains images allrite : After taking a quick look at the timetable I see that you are right. I wonder if they started using the 800s fairly recently as I don't recall seeing
52 brad330 : Today I was on the esplanade in Cairns when everyone looked up at the sky and a QF 763 operating QF923 SYD-CNS was on 45 degree angle struggling for s
53 ZuluAlpha : Information I have gathered that due to low cloud the 763's couldn't land in CNS today. QF703 MEL/CNS was diverted to TSV, spent a few hours on the g
54 ZuluAlpha : Maybe some worth while competition for Qantaslink if Rex or Skywest decide to enter into the non-regulated western Queensland routes (eg BDB, GLT, RO
55 Post contains links jetfuel : I think you mean 33? . I am a little confused - you say it got enough speed to climb through the clouds - do you mean it made a missed approach? Ther
56 brad330 : Maybe it was QF702 it was defiantly a 763
57 jetfuel : so it was a missed approach on Runway 33? what time?
58 brad330 : 14:01pm
59 jetfuel : I just re checked. It was a 763 QF782 BNE-CNS. Yes it made a very sharp right turn on final. Webtrak shows it was as low as 369m. Would have been fun
60 Post contains links jetfuel : JQ increases flights and fills void left by Tiger JETSTAR says its planned 30 per cent increase to capacity in 2010-11 will see a significant jump in
61 NZ107 : Good news. I hope they can push Tiger out of the game completely.
62 thegeek : Where are the extra aircraft coming from?
63 Post contains links jetfuel : Update on the Cairns diversions yesterday HUNDREDS of travellers were left stranded yesterday as bad weather and the upgrade of a landing system force
64 alangirvan : One thing that JQ have not done yet in ADL is give them more flights to the North. SYD/MEL/BNE get the flights through DRW to SIN and SGN and DPS, bu
65 IndianicWorld : I guess its all about aircraft utilisation, and the best allocation of aircraft to each market. If JQ saw a viable market on ADL-DPS, to take on DJ f
66 airbusa322 : There is only something like 6 A320's in the country that dont do much. A320 utilization is very low at JQ, there is usually a couple parked at MEL J
67 IndianicWorld : JQ is QF's defensive weapon afterall. It leaves the planes with downtime, then unleases them when the opposition tries to make a move lol
68 Post contains links smi0006 : Would be a good idea, I am supprised that they haven't given it a go. But there don't appear to be any plans at this stage. The QF Group submission t
69 jetfuel : Very true and dont forget that Jetstar currently has a large fleet of 65 aircraft (not such 10 or so) and they have another 10 brand new Airbus a/c d
70 747m8te : Only the desperate or the uninformed... They won't compete, they can't even establish themselves on many routes....think of all the routes that have
71 TN486 : A column article in the Sep issue of Australian Aviation page 17 addresses this matter. In point form: JQ considering prospect of international servi
72 Post contains links jetfuel : Now Cairns stuck in Fog - 2nd day of flight disruptions due to ILS being out of action http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/30/2997332.htm "At l
73 Post contains links jetfuel : As expected Emirates is to pull out of Virgin Blue codeshare after Etihad deal "Emirates Airline is believed to be pulling out of a codeshare agreemen
74 NZ107 : I'm led to believe that this also gets rid of the opportunity to fly EK from NZ to Australia for VA flights. It did sound pretty good to get Emirates
75 DJMEL : How can EK pull out of deal they do not have, it should read "Emirates pulls out of Interline Deal with Virgin" because thats all they had with DJ...
76 jetfuel : I am guessing that Etihad would be 'considering' extending one of their flights to maybe AKL. It seems fairly logical, as long as it's not a loss mak
77 alangirvan : NZ is within the range of an A320. About 2000 miles ADL-AKL and similar for ADL-CHC. Adelaide to Fiji is 2600miles, which is a bit far for an A320. I
78 NZ107 : One thing I'd love to see. Bring back another A340 to AKL. After what EK has gone through with the A380 in terms of Economy service, I wouldn't know
79 DJMEL : Before Everyone says That they do have a Codeshare agreement with EK across the Tasman with VA, I was refering to DJ Domestic which EK never had a co
80 anstar : My understanding is that the INTERLINE agreement is not being pulled. Perhaps the FF partnership, but not the interline.
81 Post contains links tayser : http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business...tulla/story-e6frfh4f-1225912679197 Bustling time at Tulla * Geoff Easdown * From: Herald Sun * September 01, 20
82 smi0006 : Any word of AI releasing a schedule yet? How long is this normally done before an airline starts a route? Rumour has BI delayed until mid next year.
83 6thfreedom : Wasn't this announced? or was it speculation. i thought it was something like: DEL 1400 - MEL 0730+1 MEL 2100 - DEL 0530+1
84 AeroplaneFreak : Jetstar Pacific have one new A320 on order MSN4459 which is due for delivery before the year is out.
85 Post contains links cwalt : Looks like V Australia is planning to operate flights to Singapore. In Virgin Blue's submission to the Australian Competition Consumer Commission rega
86 thegeek : Why stop at SIN? If there is demand to SIN, then why not a different direct flight?
87 NZ107 : I wonder if it's a deal to replace EY's SIN-BNE service in that case, as part of the alliance.
88 Ben175 : I cannot comprehend how the EY/VA venture still has no news on services from PER to AUH. Why start flights from cities already well served when you ca
89 anstar : I doubt they will actually stop in Singapore. The VA code will be on the EY services stopping, but I would think that the VA metal will actually be n
90 jetfuel : I think it is only the BNE service that will be via SIN, or thats the way I understand, mirroring the current Etihad schedule
91 smi0006 : This seems strange to me too, perhaps the VA aircraft are simply too big? With extra feed from DJ perhas we will see EY in PER sooner now? Again mayb
92 thegeek : Logic would dictate that it is insufficient demand. Although if logic was applying, would DL codeshare this flight?
93 jetfuel : Apologies for the random thought but DJ's red paint scheme just has to go. I find it now tacky, outdated and down market
94 ZuluAlpha : Maybe the Silver like VS ?
95 Post contains links and images jetfuel : I am not sure exactly, apart from rumours what the plan. DJ has a fair size fleet to completely paint and the metallic silver would no doubt be more
96 Post contains images allrite : A Qantas tail with a Jetstar body? Hey it's even got stars on it! Where's the roo?
97 6thfreedom : Of leave the SIN stop, and feed markets like PER and DRW via SIN and onto AUH?
98 DJ748 : Would a stop in HKG we worth considering for VA? They did at one point in time receive slots for HKG - do they still have them? If they do, maybe the
99 Post contains links and images RyanairGuru : It's unlikely since HKG is way too far to the north to be an effective stop-over, whereas SIN is almost on the great circle: http://www.gcmap.com/map
100 jetfuel : Virgin Australia actually means something, I never really liked the Virgin Blue name and then to have red planes just didn't make sense. I still reca
101 Quokka : Possibly, but it would mean passengers out of PER spend about 5 hours heading north before they even begin to move west and have an extra layover of
102 mariner : Surely that was the very Australian joke - any red or ginger haired bloke was also nicknamed Blue or Bluey. One of the few airlines in the world with
103 alangirvan : I would think that PER will be a partnership city for EY/VA and it could be operated by either or both airlines when EY manages to get rights into tha
104 RyanairGuru : From (I think) January 1 EK DXB-BNE-AKL is going from an A345 to 77W. I'm flying BNE-AKL on January 6 and it is a 77W then. DXB - East Coast is towar
105 NZ107 : I was under the impression that EK puts their newest 77Ws on the East Coast route - the newer 77Ws come with enhanced range compared to the original
106 koruman : The mistake was buying the 777-300ER instead of the 777-200ER - it's just too big for a second (or third) carrier entering BNE-LAX and MEL-LAX. Air N
107 TN486 : I am inclined to agree with you. I initially thought it would go direct to the V Australia colour scheme, however the tail, as you quite rightly poin
108 alangirvan : We see quite a few airlines, like Jetstar chopping and changing their 787 orders. First the Qantas group defers them, then they bring the order forwar
109 Post contains links mariner : Mr. Borghetti has denied interest in the 787 or the A350 at the moment: http://www.aviationbusiness.com.au/n...under-way-supported-by-record-cash " T
110 RyanairGuru : A 787 sized aircraft is definitely the right size for MEL and BNE to LAX. The 3 x weekly flights would suddenly be able to go to 5 or 6 weekly keepin
111 pilotdude09 : A few developments in the Northwest, Skywest now flies Karratha-Exmouth-Geraldton-Perth and vice versa on Mondays Also Qantas are starting a new KTA-M
112 Post contains links Weebie : QANTAS Looking to drop the Buenos Aires route and use a 747-400 to fly direct into Brazil! Resource rich Sao Paolo or Rio heading the list. http://www
113 DJ748 : The first 77W non-stop EK flight on the DXB-BNE route departs DXB on Jan 1, but in saying that the movements through BNE on Jan 1 are still the A340-
114 MilesDependent : Interesting article. Two points: a) Doesn't really seem to have any sources so makes me wonder how acurate it is. b) At 8,300m SYD-GRU is more than lo
115 tayser : MEL-GRU 7094nm (GC) - fair bit of trans-Antarctic flying, overflies HBA and near enough to PSY (Falklands) SYD-GRU 7228nm (GC) - skims the coast of An
116 IndianicWorld : I just can not see Australia-Brazil non-stop at this point. I would look at a Australia-EZE-GRU service, trying to get traffic rights on EZE-GRU. Othe
117 RyanairGuru : Out of interest does anyone know if BA have traffic rights for GRU-EZE? I have to admit that SYD-EZE-GRU sounds like the most obvious routing. It mig
118 thegeek : What would stop QF from leasing/buying second hand A345s and using them up to 2017? They have the pilots/simulators for the A330 fleet.
119 Post contains images IndianicWorld : The 345 is not really the most efficient plane, and that has been found by most of its operators. For ULH missions it needs quite high yielding pax t
120 thegeek : My thinking is they should be able to obtain the planes cheaply for the reasons you outline, and go with a power by the hour maintenance agreement wit
121 IndianicWorld : I think the idea will be a tag-on flight. EZE will stay.
122 LipeGIG : Yes they do have. I do see a chance for the other side, why not SYD-PER-GIG ? The Boeing 747-400 is able to do it and they do have JNB/CPT as alterna
123 AF086 : Perhaps a SYD-MEL-GIG-GRU-MEL-SYD or replacing MEL with AKL. You would get the best of both worlds. But I still doubt that, if QF comes to Brazil, th
124 tayser : The big ones: BHP Billiton, Rio Tinto, OzMinerals, RoyalDutchShell, Esso (Exxon), BP - all in Melbourne. Perth has Woodside Petroleum and many many m
125 LipeGIG : So one of the main O&D for business in Australia to Brazil is between Rio and Melbourne. I would say is a relation with a lot of different city p
126 Post contains images AwysBSB : A 'nonstop' route to Brazil that may be feasible with a 747-400ER is SYD-Brazil-PER-SYD. Since that route is triangular, eastbound and has the Antarc
127 IndianicWorld : What are the wind conditions like though down near Antarctica? Would they be stronger than a MEL-LAX route, which may effect the planes ability to fly
128 tayser : I understand your logic of always having eastbound flights, but it's very very doubtful. Brazil - Perth - Sydney/Melbourne/Brisbane is an enormous de
129 maxter : Any news on the redevelopment plans for PER other than the current master plan? Are there and new renders of the shed (Terminal WA) and what about the
130 AwysBSB : They are stronger than in MEL-LAX route, for Coriolis effect is stronger at Polar regions. That effect is as permanent as Earth rotation and an resul
131 thegeek : I agree that SYD-GRU-PER-SYD is unlikely. Doesn't PER have a difficult interchange between terminals? If you are going to make it tri-angular, you may
132 Post contains links gemuser : Guys, Trans Antarctic routes are not going to work in the near future, even under EDO (at least for Australian operators). The operational requiremen
133 AwysBSB : SYD-Brazil-PER-SYD is not a common triangular route, for there are 2 QF's hubs participating. If Australia was not so big, we could not imagine a tri
134 IndianicWorld : Thanks man. That will surely be a contributing factor the the ability to fly the route non-stop with a viable payload.
135 NZ107 : A quick question - Is/was QF installing PTVs into their 763s/738s? I can't remember when something about this was talked about but it has long slipped
136 747m8te : I was of the understanding that they were taling about doing this on their new 738s for Trans Tasman ops?
137 NZ107 : They already have, and are still being delivered new from Boeing with PTVs. I thought they were trying to standardise service mainly for PER flights
138 Post contains links BNE : QANTAS is poised to return to some routes currently only served by its budget subsidiary Jetstar. This comes as the Qantas Group moves to recalibrate
139 smi0006 : All new build 738 received from now on will have PTVs. I believe they have 31 on order with the first 5 due next year (I think, some may be due this
140 pilotdude09 : Well Qantas has said they are going to improve their domestic product, was reading the inflight the other day and it said new Neil Perry menus for dom
141 Post contains links mariner : It's just hitting the wires that the US DOT plans has turned down the Virgin Blue/Delta jv, at least tentatively: http://atlanta.bizjournals.com/atlan
142 cwalt : Travel Daily Australia is onto it.... No deal for Virgin Blue and Delta Air Lines alliance, for now. The US Department of Transportation has "tentati
143 eta unknown : Maybe if you're a 20-something. Everybody else will go with what's more convenient/cheaper/or a combo of these two.
144 sydscott : You mean like what QF has got with the last 2 Domestic A332's, the new A332 joining October and the all the new 738's? Hardly! Virgin will have to fi
145 pilotdude09 : Well the way it read, it sounded like the product was being rolled out across the domestic fleet, I would assume only the 737's and a few 767's will
146 sydscott : Only United and only on United PS. The rest of the US carriers domestic business classes are, quite frankly, total rubbish as they currently stand.
147 Post contains links pugsley : As others have written, this program has started. Currently there are two A332's VH-EBM,EBN that have the new, next generation business and economy c
148 Post contains images allrite : And I thought that Pepsi was the choice of generation next... I wonder if Jetstar will offer any new entertainment options, especially once they fly
149 Post contains links pugsley : Very Funny... Starting sometime this month, Jetstar is going to start a trial of hiring out ipads pre loaded with music/tv/games/video etc... and it
150 NZ107 : Thanks for the info guys! Haha, I think it'll be good once they get rid of these 3 - the 734s still waiting to be replaced by the 738s. People still
151 thegeek : Are you serious? Two "hubs" participating doesn't make a successful route. Look at JQ's KIX-BNE-SYD-KIX that they used to operate. BNE is more of a h
152 Boof : Just wondering if one of you smart cookies might be able to track down the rego of the 77W used for VA11 MEL-LAX on the 8/9/10 please?? Thanks in adva
153 Post contains links PA515 : Hi Boof. It was VOZ. http://data.flight24.com/flights/va11/ PA515
154 Post contains images TN486 : PA515, thanks for the heads up, what a brilliant website. Thanks again
155 Zkpilot : Ewwww It is caused by the earths rotation... meaning that at most latitudes there are Westerly winds whether North or South of the equator. There are
156 Post contains links jetfuel : This is painful for Virgin Blue http://www.news.com.au/business/brea...am-up/story-e6frfkur-1225917110931 Fair use extract "AUSTRALIA'S competition re
157 NZ107 : If they're getting rejected by every single proposal, is it time they just joined an alliance?
158 eta unknown : In my opinion, DJ has dug a hole for themselves as they expanded during a 10 year period where the good times rolled. Now the party is over and for th
159 sydscott : I think if DJ wants a blanket alliance with NZ across the Tasman then they either need to; a) withdraw from the trans-Tasman market in its entirety;
160 Boof : Thanks so much PA515. I really appreciate your help. Great website too! Cheers, Boof
161 jetfuel : Yes what happens if the partnership with Etihad Airways gets knocked back by the ACCC too. This leaves DJ and VA no where. Starting to look very mess
162 IndianicWorld : The EY deal is not a JV, like the other 2 were.
163 gemuser : This is only round 1. DJ have a number of avenues open to them, both legal & political, lets see where they take it. Gemuser
164 Post contains images RyanairGuru : Hi all, just a question: When I landed in BNE this morning at 8am there were 3 Qantas 747s at the International Terminal. Obviously one was the LAX fl
165 ANstar : The hole is still profiatble... and if I remeber correctly the Virgin Blue domestic business is more profitable than the Qantas domestic mainli ne bu
166 eta unknown : Yes the domestic hole is profitable, but not very. Let's not talk about the international holes...
167 ANstar : Well they have dropped domestic NZ... that was loosing anywhere between 10-15 million per year. NAN/TBU/APW/DPS etc are profitable. TT is prob just b
168 ZuluAlpha : I heard there was fog in Sydney this morning causing delays ?
169 vhqpa : QF108 (VH-OEI) and QF74 (VH-OJF) both diverted here this morning according to Balus. Vhqpa.
170 Aussie_ : Re DJ/NZ, what I don't get is that the ACCC approved the far more extensive QF/NZ proposal a couple of years back (remember it was the NZCC that knock
171 CHCalfonzo : I totally agree! It is completely absurd. My fear is that this will be the end of Pacific Blue, therefore reducing the competition which the ACCC see
172 Post contains links ANstar : So the Chairman of the ACCC who made the announcement is also a Chairmans Lounge member with Qantas. From crikey http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalki
173 RyanairGuru : That's not unusual: just about all politicians and high ranking pubic servants are. I wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised if the head of CASA
174 TN486 : A new youthful way of describing our "public" servants LOL
175 ANstar : I do - you should not be taking freebies from the main competitor of a company who you are making " competition" decisions on.
176 Post contains images Airbusa322 : Branson says the Virgin name is here to stay last night, as well as having only 2 brands, which would give us the following few options. Keep in mind
177 koruman : The ACCC shows plenty of consistency. It consistently goes in to bat for Qantas. As far as the ACCC is concerned, a QF/NZ monopoly is fine when Qanta
178 Post contains links jetfuel : http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/r...hauls/story-e6frfq80-1225920158347 Sir Richard's British Virgin Group - the largest shareholder in the Australi
179 ANstar : I can't really see anything other than Virgin Australia being the proposed logical name. Especially now as NZ domestic has been dropped and there will
180 Post contains links ANstar : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn1Y00xALlY Virgin Blue's 10th B'day song and dance extavaganva!
181 Post contains links sydscott : A little bit of context - when the QF/NZ proposal was put forward you had both Emirates and Pacific Blue entering the Tasman market. So even though t
182 Quokka : Well I use electricity. Does that mean I am incompetant to make an informed decision on the operations of companies generating or distributing electr
183 DavidByrne : If the capacity is switched from Pac Blue to Virgin Blue, then presumably that means that Virgin Blue itself intends to operate to Indonesia. Which i
184 Airbusa322 : Nope, branson did state also in his press conference that SQ were not changing that.
185 DavidByrne : I'm puzzled then. What use are rights to fly to Indonesia for Virgin Blue, taking these back from Pacific Blue, if they can't use the Virgin name? Wh
186 DJ748 : Likely nothing much would be changing here with the DJ flights to DPS - if you have noticed all the flight numbers in and out of DPS are in the DJ4xx
187 koruman : It is the ACCC's job to make equitable decisions and to ensure a decent level of competition. New Zealand only has 4.3 million people, yet even if DJ
188 sydscott : No it's not the ACCC's job to make equitable decisions. It is the ACCC's job to enhance competition in markets and to ensure, where there is limited
189 6thfreedom : Is this possible? Isn't the issue that Virgin can't operate internationally as it needs to be majority Australian owned. My understanding was that th
190 Post contains links mariner : I'm not sure how 55% becomes a monopoly, and I'm not sure why the airline consumer is seen as such a fragile flower, but - always looking on the brig
191 koruman : That is not actually true. The ACCC is charged with ensuring that consumers are not seriously affected by reduced competition, but they are certainly
192 DJ748 : Very possible - it's a wet lease (an airline will have the slots, rights, etc, and contract another airline to operate the flights with the others cr
193 sydscott : It doesn't and the ACCC doesn't say that it does. All they say is that the likelihood is that, if approved, the alliance would reduce competition not
194 mariner : It is still the highest percentage nominated in the report and I am surprised that little mention is made of the benefits that may have accrued from
195 Post contains links sydscott : Virgin Blue doesn't really fly to and from provincial Australia. So a NZ/DJ alliance won't really benefit people in the bush anyway. I found this art
196 Post contains links qf175 : Thread 40 - http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4928032/ Please continue all discussions here.. Cheers
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