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USA - Croatia Charter Flights Possible?  
User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5663 times:

Hey everyone,

There's a debate going on in my office as to whether or not either Dubrovnik or Split could sustain a once-a-week flight schedule from the US. I figured I'd give all you armchair CEO's a chance to bite on this. What do y'all think?


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2573 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5576 times:

A once per week ZAG-MCO/SFB charter seems more feasible.


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11615 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5558 times:

Anything is possible with a charter; so long as there is a travel agent willing to take an allocation of hotel rooms in Croatia (or anywhere for that matter) and charter a plane to get people there. The airline takes their money for operating the flight passengers or not. As a new/novel/niche destination it could work with a 762, I'm not sure a 752 has got the legs for it, although maybe without cargo it could.


Dan  



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5550 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 2):
As a new/novel/niche destination it could work with a 762, I'm not sure a 752 has got the legs for it, although maybe without cargo it could.

The 752 does not have the range, but a 762/3 or A330 could do it. Croatia is not as new a destination as many people think, nor is it novel. In a lot of my colleagues opinions, it is just unknown compared to relatively closeby neighbor Greece and Italy.



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User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1368 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 5358 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 3):
Croatia is not as new a destination as many people think, nor is it novel. In a lot of my colleagues opinions, it is just unknown compared to relatively closeby neighbor Greece and Italy.

Outside the US travel community, I doubt many Americans could even find Croatia on a map let alone choose the Adriatic for a holiday. Sorry for the sarcasm, but world geography is not high on the list for most US citizens. Which is a real shame, because Croatia as well as the other countries in the former Yugoslavia are absolutely beautiful.

Anyhow, to answer your question I believe the only way this would work is to have it tied into an Adriatic/Mediterranean cruise contract. IINM, Croatians require a visa to enter the US and that process is often arduous and complicated so most of this traffic would be US originating..


User currently offlinejohruk From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5299 times:

Having just returned from Istria to see my family (dad is from Croatia but has livein the UK for 40+ years) it always amazes me how every year, more and more 'locals' who left years ago and moved to the US or Australia are returning. It is not uncommon to see a few US plated cars driving around the streets of Labin!

I often wondered whether OU, would consider growing its longhaul network as I truly believe a US flight (NYC) would work, well at least in the summer months. There is a big Croatian community in Astoria. Hell, I wish it was easier to get to Pula from the UK as the only direct links are from Stansted (not counting the summer charter flights) about a 3-4 hour drive from my area!

It was not too many years ago, that MH used to fly to ZAG as a tag on their VIE flights...I guess trying to capture the Australia market.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11615 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5294 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 4):
Outside the US travel community, I doubt many Americans could even find Croatia on a map let alone choose the Adriatic for a holiday. Sorry for the sarcasm, but world geography is not high on the list for most US citizens. Which is a real shame, because Croatia as well as the other countries in the former Yugoslavia are absolutely beautiful.

   From a US perspective, a charter to Croatia would definitely be something new.


Dan  



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5252 times:

Long-haul charters to Croatia are nothing new and JAL 744s have become a common sight in summer in both ZAG and DBV - and deservedly so, the country is beautiful.

Skyservice also operated summer charters from Canada - but those were more VFR traffic related.

US charter services, IMHO, could work, provided that such a plan is substantiated by a solid marketing and sales push in the States, and as someone already mentioned, VFR traffic would likley be minimal with a once weekly frequency, but all-inc tours and packages, yes I think that could work.



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5165 times:

Quoting johruk (Reply 5):
Having just returned from Istria to see my family (dad is from Croatia but has livein the UK for 40+ years) it always amazes me how every year, more and more 'locals' who left years ago and moved to the US or Australia are returning. It is not uncommon to see a few US plated cars driving around the streets of Labin!

True, I have a cousin there and his married relatives in the States go visit often. Italian-Americans/Canadians are buying up more and more "ancestry" type of tour packages (Istria was Italian until post WWII). They are all older so it is a once every two year kind of trip, so flight to Pula wouldn't work even as a charter IMO. You just fly to Venice and drive, which is what they do.

IMO A tour group charter to Dubrovnik might work with seat sales guarantees by a tour operator but otherwise, no, I don't see it working.



Ciao Windjet mi manchi
User currently offlinejohruk From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5121 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 8):
(Istria was Italian until post WWII)

Mty Grandad's pension was paid by the Italian Goverment!

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 8):
You just fly to Venice and drive, which is what they do.

Which is exactly what I used to do, until Easyjet cancelled the BRS-VCE route. used to be perfect and I would be at my grandparents house with 3 hours...


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5037 times:

Quoting johruk (Reply 9):
Which is exactly what I used to do, until Easyjet cancelled the BRS-VCE route. used to be perfect and I would be at my grandparents house with 3 hours...

And to be fair, I have flown Alitalia from Catania via Roma to Trieste, which is even closer, and Pula is growing in service.
It will be great when Crotia is part of Schengen and the border stops with Slovenia will be a thing of the past too.



Ciao Windjet mi manchi
User currently offlineORDFan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4985 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Thread starter):
There's a debate going on in my office as to whether or not either Dubrovnik or Split could sustain a once-a-week flight schedule from the US.

Not to get too technical, but just out of curiosity's sake: can you actually have "scheduled charter" service? Even if its an infrequent, but regular flight, isn't that technically considered scheduled service? I always thought chartered flights were one-time only affairs, like a sports team chartering a flight to the World Cup, or something along those lines?

As far as Croatia is concerned, I've been there a few times (and hope to go back next summer) and I think it is definitely becoming more well-known amongst Americans, at least judging from my friends/co-workers, though they are well-traveled bunch overall. You can't pick up a travel magazine these days without coming across an article about Croatia: the archipelago, beaches, gastronomy tours, yachting, etc.

However, I honestly don't know if direct US-Croatia flights are a necessity, let alone feasible (CHI, NYC I think could be the only semi-rational origination). ZAG is well-connected by OU/Star to all the major Euro hubs and their own respective flags carriers too, and most of the regional airports have well-timed seasonal service as well. Really, for me, and I'm sure for many of the US flying-public to Croatia, one stopover from the US and then a 1 to 1 1/2 hour flight from ZRH, FCO, MUC, FRA, CDG, etc is not that big a deal. In fact, I kind of appreciate it. For continental Europeans, and even the Brits, I really don't think they have much too complain about in terms of flying time. Actually, when I flew FCO-SPU last time, flying time wasn't even an hour.

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 10):
And to be fair, I have flown Alitalia from Catania via Roma to Trieste, which is even closer, and Pula is growing in service.
It will be great when Crotia is part of Schengen and the border stops with Slovenia will be a thing of the past too.

That would be awesome and I look forward to that day. Though without getting too political and off-topic, I hear that Italy and Slovenia are giving Croatia a hard time with their EU application over fishing rights! Nonetheless, judging by the number of Germans, Austrians, and Dutch I met in Croatia last time I was there, I'm sure they would appreciate it too. Seems like Croatia has become the Austrians' version of Florida.   

Quoting johruk (Reply 5):
I often wondered whether OU, would consider growing its longhaul network as I truly believe a US flight (NYC) would work, well at least in the summer months. There is a big Croatian community in Astoria.

Actually I think Chicago (and Pittsburgh) have NY beat on Croatian-Americans. Was just at a Croatian fest a few weeks ago in Chicago and it is a pretty big affair (though many of the people are not 100% obviously). Wiki has some hard data.

Quoting johruk (Reply 5):
It was not too many years ago, that MH used to fly to ZAG as a tag on their VIE flights...I guess trying to capture the Australia market.

I flew on MH once ZAG-VIE in a 777! It was ridiculous! Didn't think anyone would remember that MH used to serve ZAG. I think they captured a lot of Asian tourists as well, as I watched her deplane and she was less than half-empty for the continuation to VIE. It was 25 min. flying time, and the plane was level for less than 5 minutes as Zagreb and Vienna are closer than Chicago and Indianapolis.That take-off out of ZAG was unforgettable though, and one of my best aviation-related experiences ever.


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4971 times:

Quoting ORDFan (Reply 11):
Not to get too technical, but just out of curiosity's sake: can you actually have "scheduled charter" service? Even if its an infrequent, but regular flight, isn't that technically considered scheduled service? I always thought chartered flights were one-time only affairs, like a sports team chartering a flight to the World Cup, or something along those lines?

Several Tour Operators and Travel Agencies in the USA maintian seasonal charter flights (usually once a week or twoce a week affairs), such as Homeric Tours and their Summer Charters from JFK to ATH, so they do exist. And a few airlines have even started out as Public Cahrter Companies before makign the plunge to schedule airline service, such as Morris Air and Win Air (both of which, ironically, were HQ'd out of SLC).

Quoting ORDFan (Reply 11):
I hear that Italy and Slovenia are giving Croatia a hard time with their EU application over fishing rights!

Better to squabble over fishing rights and who makes better beer for fishing than stuff like, oh I dunno...genocide.



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User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4941 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Thread starter):
There's a debate going on in my office as to whether or not either Dubrovnik or Split could sustain a once-a-week flight schedule from the US.

Interesting question, I just came back from a one-week holiday in Split and Dubrovnik and was surprised with the huge amount of US tourists. The hotel I stayed in Dubrovnik had about 70% occupancy by US tourist, my flight from AMS to SPU also had a lot US tourist onboard. Any specific reason for this trend? Why so many US tourists in Croatia? Another big group was Japanese tourists, but US tourists certainly come first.

Rgs,


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4925 times:

Quoting ORDFan (Reply 11):
Not to get too technical, but just out of curiosity's sake: can you actually have "scheduled charter" service? Even if its an infrequent, but regular flight, isn't that technically considered scheduled service? I always thought chartered flights were one-time only affairs, like a sports team chartering a flight to the World Cup, or something along those lines?

I believe flights like the Houston Express (which used to be by World Air) by Atlas Air, which is thrice weekly scheduled service Houston to Luanda (over ten years now), is a charter. You have to be a member of one of a select few energy organisations to buy tickets and it is not open to the general public.



Ciao Windjet mi manchi
User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4910 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 14):
I believe flights like the Houston Express (which used to be by World Air) by Atlas Air, which is thrice weekly scheduled service Houston to Luanda (over ten years now), is a charter. You have to be a member of one of a select few energy organisations to buy tickets and it is not open to the general public.

IAH-LAD charter flights serves a completely different public, directed to the energy sector with a high yielding market and business traffic. A possible US-Croatia charter would focus on the holiday market with very low yields. It would also only operate seasonally, I dont see such flight operating more than once weekly from June until August.

Rgs,


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4883 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 13):
Why so many US tourists in Croatia?
Quoting hardiwv (Reply 15):
. It would also only operate seasonally, I dont see such flight operating more than once weekly from June until August.

Mid-May to Early Septemeber is when we were planning on doing it, with two aircraft to also serve JFK-ATH, JFK-Yerevan, and JFK-CAI.



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4872 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 15):
IAH-LAD charter flights serves a completely different public, directed to the energy sector with a high yielding market and business traffic. A possible US-Croatia charter would focus on the holiday market with very low yields. It would also only operate seasonally, I dont see such flight operating more than once weekly from June until August.

Rgs,

I am well aware of all that (I've flown the flight); the discussion was if there is such thing as a scheduled charter (even seasonal) and the answer is yes there is from business flights, to skiing destinations, cruise ships, etc. The point is not why it exists, but that it does exist re: the question I quoted in my response.



Ciao Windjet mi manchi
User currently offlineORDFan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4792 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 13):
Interesting question, I just came back from a one-week holiday in Split and Dubrovnik and was surprised with the huge amount of US tourists. The hotel I stayed in Dubrovnik had about 70% occupancy by US tourist, my flight from AMS to SPU also had a lot US tourist onboard. Any specific reason for this trend? Why so many US tourists in Croatia? Another big group was Japanese tourists, but US tourists certainly come first.

That is a bit surprising, but I could hazard a couple of guesses: Croatia is definitely getting more press Stateside than it used to (see my comments above). The exchange rate for the Kuna/USD has been more favorable that EUR/USD (though the Euro is now at multi-year lows now as well), not to mention, that Croatia has less expensive accommodations than comparable Mediterranean countries. Additionally, accommodations in general are increasing in both quality and quantity. There may be a bit of a novelty and exoticism-factor for now as well, as Croatia is still not as well-traversed by Americans as Spain, France, Italy, or even Greece, and some people love to name-drop. Finally, it is just damn beautiful! National Geographic featured Croatia (I believe the cover was Rovinj) in its annual travel mag last year. Some of those cities on the Dalmatian coast are just jaw-dropping (thinking Hvar, Trogir, Korcula). No wonder Roman emperors retired there!

One a side note, I remember last year at this time that Croatia was consistently referenced in the financial press because the CEO of AIG began his well-documented tenure at that company with a controversial month-long holiday at his Croatian villa. The American media had a field day with this, and nearly every article or news segment on the matter contained some sort of backdrop reference to Adriatic splendor/riches, painting Benmosche as an out-of-touch elitist and the like (might be true after all – his villa is ridiculous!!).

[Edited 2010-08-26 16:59:57]

User currently onlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4685 times:

I love Croatia. I drove the country for two sesons.
I see 2 major issues for US charters, having in mind that there are enough people in US interested in something more special than ordinary tourist routes.

Issue # 1.
If a charter flight goes to Dubrovnik/Split - tourists are able to see the only existing Roman Emperor's palace in the world (there is none in Italy) and amazing Dubrovnik.
But they logistically can't visit the most amazing place in Croatia - The Plitvice Lakes. And no chance to see Zagreb.
If the charter flies to Zagreb or Pula, on the other hand, tourists can visit Zagreb, Istria and Plitvice Lakes - but to reach Split and Dubrovnik would need another flight.
The highway along the coast is very tight.
Issue # 2.
I would never ever recommend to go to Croatia when EU is on vacation: July and August. All infrastructure is stressed.
Waiting lines in restaurants. And the North-South Coast highway turns into nightmare.
Croatia is a seasonal tourist place.

Being a US tour operator I still would arrange ATR-42/72 flight from Italy or A-320 flight from Vienna for a 2-3 day tour Split/Dubrovnik.
What they apparently used to do.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2573 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4615 times:

I've been to DBV in the summer, on its last Yugoslav years. Even then the infrastructure and coastal roads were quite stressed.
Croatia (Dalmatian coast) is still a very niche destination. Charters to DBV or SPU from the States may not survive only on leisure traffic, unless Croatia becomes extreme fashionable overnight, but maybe if there was a strong VFR market they'd stand a chance..
One thing hasn't been mentioned here, DBV happens to be one of the gateways people fly into when Catholics are making pilgrimages to Medujorie (in Herzegovina) site of a Virgin Mary sight, as travelling thru Sarajevo or Mostar isn't quite easy.
Don't know of the statistics for US Catholics making pilgrimages, but that is a market that could add up passengers to a potential US-DBV charter.

Interesting howcome nobody has taking into account if Crotatians could be potential visitors to Disneyworld and other Orlando attractions, but that would be a Croatia (ZAG) - USA (SFB/MCO) charter.



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User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4564 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 20):
I've been to DBV in the summer, on its last Yugoslav years. Even then the infrastructure and coastal roads were quite stressed.

Roads in Croatia have been through major upgrades, there is now a express way between Split and Zagreb, and the roads between SPU and DBV are in good conditions.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 20):
Charters to DBV or SPU from the States may not survive only on leisure traffic, unless Croatia becomes extreme fashionable overnight, but maybe if there was a strong VFR market they'd stand a chance..

Note that even European legacy carriers do not serve DBV and SPU except some specific cases such as LH, but there are many charters and low cost airlines flying into both destinations. EZY recently started AMS-SPU service and fares have been high about EUR200 plus for return tickets since flight is always sold out. But it does not operate after end of August because demand is highly seasonal.

Rgs,


User currently onlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4508 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 21):
there is now a express way between Split and Zagreb

I drove that way a decade ago. It's going off-coast. It was quite good by then.
I can imagine how good it is now.
But then the scars of the war were appaling - and so sad.


User currently offlineGlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4465 times:

As mentioned above, US-Croatia flights would only work from NYC and ORD, and they would probably be thin at best (only 3x a week during summer). Loads may be there, but leisure travel and VFR traffic will be very low yielding.

User currently onlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5681 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

Quoting ORDFan (Reply 18):
Croatia has less expensive accommodations than comparable Mediterranean countries.

I would certainly dispute that.


25 WesternA318 : Same here, there are quite a few resorts especially on the Dalmatian Coast that are comparable in price, if not above sometimes, to resorts in Coasta
26 GlobalCabotage : I agree with L410Turbolet on that. Split is not exactly cheap, beautiful, but not cheap. DBU can handle seasonal flights to ORD and JFK/EWR, but at no
27 WesternA318 : These are all great ideas, howwever, my agency and the group of agencies that are working on this idea all have business interests and deals with res
28 Post contains links and images PITrules : Charter flights between the US and Croatia and the other former Yugoslav republics would not be something new (even though technically it was Yugosla
29 WesternA318 : Oh wow, thats incredible! Thanks for posting these, PIT!!
30 Continental : Same here! This is so true. We're sending a car over there from the US next summer. I've noticed more and more US citizens returning to their mainlan
31 BHMNONREV : I would as well...lol Dubrovnik is very expensive for accommodations, but as you go up the coast toward Split the price seems to decrease somewhat. M
32 Post contains links wjcandee : In 2007, Adriatic Eagle Air planned to run public charters to Tirana, Skopje, Podgorica, and Prishtina during the summer. They got DOT public charter
33 hardiwv : They have build a new express highway from SPU to Zagreb, and from SPU to Dubrovnik there is a single road in excellent conditions. Croatia is a beau
34 panamair : Pan Am served both ZAG and DBV on a scheduled basis primarily from FRA back in the 1980s, but also from MUC and ZRH at some point using 727s and 737s
35 2travel2know2 : UA/CO not DL seems to be the airline that could fly NYC-ZAG someday. Not sure if the B757 could make it westbound, but that plane is the right-sized
36 GlobalCabotage : Awesome timetable! I miss the good old days!
37 CXA330300 : Hm. The Croatian/ex-Yugoslavian communities in the US are pretty well served through the main European hubs, and Croatia is not quite on the list yet
38 hardiwv : I agree. But the point above was about potential flights to holidays areas by flyinh charter between the US and markets such as SPU and DBV. Almost n
39 CXA330300 : The problem is that the market is simply not there. Most Americans have no idea where Croatia is (I've met many people who, despite being aware of th
40 hardiwv : I am sure most Americans dont know about Croatia, but facts and figures are there that there is substantive number of American tourists in Croatia es
41 GlobalCabotage : Most Americans outside of NYC, CHI, CLE, PIT, and a few other cities have not idea where Croatia is on a map. For all they are concerned, Croatia is e
42 WesternA318 : That's the whole point of all of these travel agencies and tour operators getting together, we've all had massive comments and/or complaints about cl
43 Post contains links DHR : For those who think the market is too small, think again. Last year Croatia - USA travel accounted for around 200K and this year I expect it to grow a
44 Post contains images gilesdavies : I fly out to Split on Wednesday and doing some island hopping calling in at Brac, Hvar, Korcula and finishing in Dubrovnik where I catch my Wizzair fl
45 WesternA318 : We're only tlaking about seasonal once a week services to serve our respective client's needs, as there is a group of Travel Agents and Tour Operator
46 flyingalex : Not quite. Croatia Airlines has a number of direct services from major European hubs to SPU, DBV and PUY in the summer. They're not daily, some are e
47 flyingalex : If sold as part of a package, with the tour operators assuming the financial risk when seats go unsold, I'm sure such a charter would work just fine.
48 WesternA318 : That's about 65-70% of how the seats will be filled. I'm now wondering if we can fill the other 30-35% with O&D traffic.
49 Post contains links flyingalex : Really depends on what your US gateway would be, I suppose. What did you (or the travel agents) have in mind? But like others have said, don't expect
50 WesternA318 : The initial gateway would be JFK, with feed from other US cities coming in on DL. The flights would not be available ot Croatian citizens in Croatia,
51 flyingalex : Sounds reasonable. One market I would look at is Croatian expatriates in the US and Croatian-Americans - this sounds like something they would apprec
52 WesternA318 : Already have a group of 15 of them lined up! On the Greek side, I have one tour operator and his network of travel agencies (about 15 total) lined up
53 Humberside : Is there a legal reason for that, because even if the market was small, surely it would be helpful to have traffic from the Croatian as well as the U
54 WesternA318 : There really is no legal reason, except the group of Agents that will sell these flights don't sell outside the US. I'm sure if they had offices in C
55 gilesdavies : Last night in Dubrovnik, before I fly home tomorrow... Actually I have been shocked by how many Canadians and Americans I have seen on my travels from
56 WesternA318 : That's about the size we are plannign on using anyways, very cool, and thanks for the info!
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