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DL To Add RDU-BDL/CMH/MCO/STL/TPA  
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7549 posts, RR: 28
Posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14106 times:

The new service will begin on Nov. 11, 2010 and will add a total of 14 daily flights. The expanded schedule brings Delta’s total daily service at RDU to 54 peak-day flights to 15 nonstop domestic destinations.

Here’s what the new service will look like:

· New service to Hartford (BDL) with two flights per day with an Embraer 175 and CRJ-100 aircraft.

· New service to Columbus (CMH) once a day served by a CRJ-100 aircraft.

· New service to Orlando (MCO) three times a day using a CRJ-100 aircraft.

· New service to St. Louis (STL) on a CRJ-100 aircraft twice daily.

· New service to Tampa (TPA) two times per day served by a CRJ-100 aircraft.

· Increased service to Minneapolis/St. Paul (MSP) from four to five flights daily.

· Increased service to Boston (BOS) from three to five flights daily.

· Increased service to New York-JFK from one to two flights daily.

http://triangle.bizjournals.com/tria.../2010/08/23/daily30.html?ana=yfcpc

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User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1904 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14099 times:

Surprised to see MCO getting CRJ-100s again...

Last time I regularly saw CRJs at MCO they were handled by Comair at the regional gates (60A-Q). I'm sure now they'll park at jetbridges.


User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14057 times:

That surprises me to see STL in the mix...

Clearly this add is for RDU Airport, but to include STL into it shows more commitment to STL as well.

DL must not worry about the competition with WN already flying STL-RDU as it is.

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlinemrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14033 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 2):
That surprises me to see STL in the mix...

Clearly this add is for RDU Airport, but to include STL into it shows more commitment to STL as well.

DL must not worry about the competition with WN already flying STL-RDU as it is.

DL will be up to 41 peak day flights out of STL in November:
http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Delta...ternational-Airport-101481444.html

Wonder if WN will add another frequency?

[Edited 2010-08-25 10:30:28]

User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 13892 times:

Quoting mrSTL (Reply 3):

What's the mileage for the F Class Cabin routes Delta was touting? Is it 750 miles? As STL-RDU is over 500 but under 750 so I wasn't sure what DL's mileage was.

Alex



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User currently offlineflyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2277 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13811 times:

I have been secretly hoping for RDU service to come back ever since American Eagle terminated the route earlier this year. However, as I highlighted in a separate thread, I didn't think the industry had quite rebounded to the point where point-to-point O&D service between medium-sized cities could work profitably. Apparently, Delta thinks otherwise. I wonder as well if this is part of the "S-curve" theory that has been brought up in multiple threads concerning Delta's operations in RDU, BDL, STL, and CMH. I would like to see this trend continue with the resumption of service between BDL and IND/CMH.

Also, with this latest addition, Delta will be up to 41 peak daily departures from CMH.


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4893 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13807 times:
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Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
Increased service to New York-JFK from one to two flights daily.

Not sure why this is considered an 'add' - JFK has had 2x daily for a while now (already is this summer, and continuing into the fall).


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4654 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13773 times:

Quoting flyCMH (Reply 5):
I would like to see this trend continue with the resumption of service between BDL and IND/CMH.

With the current trend I would think that wouldnt be too far off.

4x BDL-CVG seems excessive for a hub with duplicative services as ATL/DTW, Id say shift two of those to IND/CMH.



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User currently onlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3431 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13774 times:

I will be that guy on here:

MCO will not last

TPA will not last

Eagle tried both of these with ERJs. Routing used to go LGA-RDU-MCO-RDU-LGA. Was a nice turn . . . very productive. But you don't make $$ on full RJs and cheap fares.

CMH and BDL have a shot . . . a long shot

STL is odd and against WN mainline

Why is the freq to JFK so low?


User currently offlinemrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13727 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 4):
What's the mileage for the F Class Cabin routes Delta was touting? Is it 750 miles? As STL-RDU is over 500 but under 750 so I wasn't sure what DL's mileage was.

I do not remember a mileage announcement, they announced the addition of first class to some or all of the CRJ700s. The STL-RDU flights, according the source above, will be operated with the CRJ100.


User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13713 times:

Quoting flyCMH (Reply 5):
Also, with this latest addition, Delta will be up to 41 peak daily departures from CMH.

That's excellent! I flew in there last week and when I landed on 10L I saw 3 ERJ-145s and 1 CRJ pulling in. Good things keep coming out of CMH.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4654 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13694 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 8):
Was a nice turn . . . very productive.
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 8):
CMH and BDL have a shot . . . a long shot

I noticed the BDL flight will turn into the DTW flight... right now the DTW flight is shown as a 738, but if you match up the times, my bet is next week you will see the 738 turn into an E175... currently that aircraft as a 14 hour layover in BDL, the other is just a CRJ RON in BDL, so relatively low risk. Good aircraft utilization.

PVD has a similar long aircraft layover from DTW would be nice if they would get something similar to work.



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User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13693 times:

Quoting mrSTL (Reply 9):

I do not remember a mileage announcement, they announced the addition of first class to some or all of the CRJ700s. The STL-RDU flights, according the source above, will be operated with the CRJ100.

I found it, it is 750 miles.

Delta Air Lines Inc. said Thursday it plans to offer first-class seats on all domestic flights longer than 750 miles — about two and a half hours — beginning this fall.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=10878503

So STL-RDU does not fall under this requirement.

Alex



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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3804 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13695 times:

And I bet the RDU contingency still feels underserved.

User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1527 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13657 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 8):
Eagle tried both of these with ERJs. Routing used to go LGA-RDU-MCO-RDU-LGA. Was a nice turn . . . very productive. But you don't make $$ on full RJs and cheap fares.

Sure, Eagle/American couldn't make any money. But are they not one of the highest cost regional carriers out there? Perhaps maybe with a lower cost regional carrier, Delta can make these flights work.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13636 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
The new service will begin on Nov. 11, 2010 and will add a total of 14 daily flights. The expanded schedule brings Delta’s total daily service at RDU to 54 peak-day flights to 15 nonstop domestic destinations.

I actually wonder if this is more fall-out from the aborted US-DL deal. Certainly that's where the planes appear to come from looking at the timing. I'ts not much of a leap to imagine that they put the planes just down the road from CLT to continue the argument with US.


User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 881 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13593 times:

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 1):
Last time I regularly saw CRJs at MCO they were handled by Comair at the regional gates (60A-Q). I'm sure now they'll park at jetbridges.

I doubt they'll use jetbridges, gates 60 A-Q are unused now and are available. They also belong to Delta in their airside. My bet would be that they will jsut go back to using these gates.


User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13534 times:

We'll take it but there's more work to be done....
After all, everyone knows these routes won't last



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User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1904 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13477 times:

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 16):

I doubt they'll use jetbridges, gates 60 A-Q are unused now and are available. They also belong to Delta in their airside. My bet would be that they will jsut go back to using these gates.

I'd be very surprised if they did that. I moved from Orlando shortly before they closed down the 60 gates but I noticed the last few times I've been through that terminal when visiting that the 60 gates are now shut off. I took this photo in November 2008 two months after they closed down the area and laid off the Comair employees:




Notice all the computers ripped out, signs off the wall and counters ripped apart. Again, I'd be surprised to see them reopen this area for 3 flights a day.


User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 881 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13416 times:

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 18):
computers ripped out, signs off the wall

Wiring is still there, it wouldn't take them more than a few hours to put everything back. I was in the DL SkyCub last week at MCO, and I was surprised that they put back the signage to gates 60 A-K (only) in the elevator. One elevator out of the 2 goes down to those gates the second is dedicated only to SkyClub.


User currently offlinesancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13369 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 4):
What's the mileage for the F Class Cabin routes Delta was touting? Is it 750 miles? As STL-RDU is over 500 but under 750 so I wasn't sure what DL's mileage was.

Alex
Quoting enilria (Reply 15):
I actually wonder if this is more fall-out from the aborted US-DL deal. Certainly that's where the planes appear to come from looking at the timing. I'ts not much of a leap to imagine that they put the planes just down the road from CLT to continue the argument with US

What fallout? US DOT said to both DL and US that they had to divest slots for approval.. Both declined and as such, the slot swap did not go through as neither wanted to give any up. So what does DL have with US to argue about?



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6603 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13326 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 15):
I'ts not much of a leap to imagine that they put the planes just down the road from CLT to continue the argument with US.

But how does this really affect Charlotte? RDU isn't a good substitute for CLT and it's not like DL will be flowing a lot of connecting traffic through RDU.

I do agree that this may be tied to the fact that since the slot swap failed, DL has more RJ capacity than they know what to do with. Originally, the RJ's were supposed to go to LGA, but now DL needs to find a new home.

The reality though is that most of these routes are doomed to fail and DL knows it. We've seen time after time where P2P RJ routes fail. The economics just aren't there.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13259 times:

Quoting sancho99504 (Reply 20):
What fallout? US DOT said to both DL and US that they had to divest slots for approval.. Both declined and as such, the slot swap did not go through as neither wanted to give any up. So what does DL have with US to argue about?

If you have followed the OAG threads you noticed that DL and US both rescinded long-standing cross slot leases at DCA and LGA causing both to have to reshuffle their schedule substantially. Also, US went with to UA to trade Brazil slots with rather than DL. Anyway, the conventional wisdom is that DL is peeved that US did not work hard enough on the original slot deal and revoked the sub-lease of slots at DCA as a result. That's a sub-lease that dates back 10+ years. US then retaliated by revoking the slots it was leasing to DL at LGA.

Anyway, all those slot swaps take place around the time this starts and it left DL with extra RJs. That also explains why they would fly MCO-RDU with CRJs which is a dumb plane CASM wise for that route.


User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13223 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 12):
I found it, it is 750 miles.

Delta Air Lines Inc. said Thursday it plans to offer first-class seats on all domestic flights longer than 750 miles — about two and a half hours — beginning this fall.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=10878503

So STL-RDU does not fall under this requirement.

Though they are offering it on CR7/CR9 flights such as PHX-SLC which is 507 miles, so RDU might get lucky.


User currently onlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1627 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13152 times:

Quoting BD338 (Reply 23):

Though they are offering it on CR7/CR9 flights such as PHX-SLC which is 507 miles, so RDU might get lucky.

Flight like PHX-SLC are getting CR7/CR9 flights due to the higher overall demand, not to mention some premium demand for connections through SLC. As most of the RDU routes are primarily to utilize planes on thinner O&D routes, the likelihood of larger RJ's is much smaller.


25 Indy : This is good news for RDU. Was this an expected or unexpected addition?
26 sancho99504 : I see. I don't follow OAG threads. I didn't know US and DL were cancelling each others sub-leased slots, but I see where your coming from.
27 deltal1011man : Dude....one more time Delta could NOT help US with this even if they wanted too. DL has 14x movable Brazil rights. 7x ATL-GRU 7x ATL-GIG. Under the s
28 Post contains images SANFan : Small planes aside, naysayers aside, seasonality aside, I'm impressed with a DL commitment of this scope to a smaller station (do we call RDU a focus
29 Post contains images DeltaRules : Good stuff, keep it coming to CMH! One could argue the same for CMH. In the last few months, we've picked up CUN and RDU, seen resumptions of DCA and
30 ERJ170 : Oh My Gawd! Listen to all this up here.. Delta is adding RJ service where it was previously removed. They are just replacing American Eagle flights on
31 BMI727 : There is probably a fair amount of traffic from the various banking and financial companies on this route.
32 FlyPNS1 : If these routes had been profitable, AA wouldn't have dumped them. Profitable routes are hard to come by in this industry especially for AA. Yes and
33 B4REAL : I poked at the schedule for RDU-CMH-RDU. The timing sucks! RDU-CMH Delta 4432* 12:05pm -1:55pm CMH-RDU Delta 4432* 2:20pm - 3:53pm
34 RDUDDJI : This is the news I've been waiting/hoping for. I knew something was coming. I'm a Medallion on DL and lately they've been sending me all kinds of surv
35 OzarkD9S : Profitable or not, these markets do not fall under AA's new "cornestone" strategy, focusing on LAX/DFW/ORD/MIA/NYC. As AA realigns, we will see, and
36 steex : Just to clarify based on this and a few prior posts, STL is shown starting 2x CRJ daily, not 1x CRJ.
37 SESGDL : Routes that were profitable would have been garnered in as exceptions to any cornerstone strategy. Profitable routes are hard to come by; AA wouldn't
38 OA412 : Exactly. If they were profitable, AA would have held on to them. Airline's simply do not drop profitable flying.
39 MAH4546 : Airlines absolutely drop profitable flying. Sometimes, airlines need to reallocate assets elsewhere. It's called opportunity costs. I'm not saying th
40 Post contains images RL757PVD : Lets not forget AA doesnt exactly make it easy for themselves to be profitable
41 sancho99504 : IIRC, DL has one of the best inflight products for economy of the legacies and in some cases, most LCCs,. which was derived from Song, not a complete
42 SESGDL : I don't disagree with that. I stated that airlines only drop profitable routes when they are in favor of more profitable ones. Undoubtedly AA had bet
43 OA412 : Fair enough.
44 lambertman : I would say that this has an excellent chance of working if not for Southwest being on the route, but who knows? Maybe there is enough tech and biote
45 RDUDDJI : You are correct. My bad.
46 flyCMH : The CMH-RDU market has been served nonstop for decades. It has been served near-continuously with American and Midway except for brief hiatuses in ea
47 Kcrwflyer : Come on now, You act like they're still flying around 37 seat jets or something.
48 AirlineEcon : Well played Delta. Beefing up at RDU gives thems more dominance in the southeast (ex Florida). They have ATL, MEM, CVG (northern Kentucky is the south
49 FlyPNS1 : You don't need to start a new airline to learn that people like TV. Have you seen the CASM of DL's CRJ's? There's not a big difference in cost betwee
50 AVLAirlineFreq : Does DL have a strong corporate contract presence in the Triangle?
51 Cubsrule : That's all well and good, but how, exactly, is expanding at RDU a good strategy for retaliating against US? Or, maybe putting it a different way, is
52 atrude777 : I am slightly confused by this statement, WN already flies STL-RDU, did you mean, you don't think WN will add a 2nd daily STL-RDU or what? Alex
53 OA412 : Exactly. I simply don't see this as a competitive response to US. Adding a few RJs at RDU isn't going to affect US's operation at CLT at all.
54 Cubsrule : Yes, sorry. I should have said EXPAND STL-RDU.
55 thegreatRDU : If that's it...those times are laughable...this service lose money simply because of those times... They've been trying to lock some up...
56 TOMMY767 : One route AA had for several years was RDU-EWR which lasted from 2001 all the way through 2008. I wonder if DL would start that route up again?
57 MNMncrcnwjr : first off .. The way DL is rationalizing A/C usage and "rightsizing" flts every week, Mgmnt is looking at city pair traffic and sees, thru the data, t
58 lambertman : Yeah I mentioned that I figured St. Louis would be expanded first, but when I thought about it there is one small problem: gates. In an airport that
59 Kcrwflyer : 50-37 seat RJ economics, anyway you slice it, only go from bad to worse. Given DL's presence at LGA and JFK, I figure DL will keep all flights from R
60 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : I cant believe that DL hasnt brought SLC-RDU back. The flights were operated for years and seemed to do good loadwise. Im sure it was mostly connectin
61 Cubsrule : The other 'issue' with STL is that it's not in as good a location for utilization flying - besides STL, none of the routes ex-RDU is longer than 550
62 smoot4208 : Would any of this be flying that DL is being forced to fly? Are they cutting elsewhere that they need to maintain min. block times with regionals, or
63 ERJ170 : I would guess DL sees it as this.. they now have LAX at RDU.. the SLC-RDU O&D traffic is probably pretty low and most were transferring to west c
64 TravisNC : And I'll bet the CRW contingency still feels jealous.
65 RDUDDJI : Having worked in Rev Mgmt for two airlines, I can tell you that statement is completely false. Airlines quite often drop profitable routes, sometimes
66 deltal1011man : I mean it can be done, (ATL is like 13 flights per day) but its really tight. If Delta can get a 8th gate i wouldn't be shocked to see it.
67 B4REAL : That's what Delta.com has for the RDU-CMH-RDU flight with the one aircraft. As a passenger, I'd want a non-stop for something like that to land befor
68 TOMMY767 : I wonder why because IND, which is similar to RDU as a DL station has a daily nonstop LAX 320 flight and a daily SLC M90/319 flight. They seem to mak
69 MaverickM11 : It's incredibly rare. It's not quite as mythical as the "relief hub" but it is rare nonetheless, especially for an asset as numerous and fungible as
70 enilria : You still miss my point on that. There was a deal between US and DL to get US into GRU which is clearly what they want more than GIG. The deal fell t
71 RL757PVD : Why would DL have hurt feeling about US not getting their GRU slot? The only thing Delta wanted out of the whole deal was LGA slots. AA has a lot mor
72 deltal1011man : They are. Because Delta couldn't help them. LOL thats what you don't get. yes, because US wants both, the idea with Delta was they got NRT on top of
73 FlyPNS1 : Exactly. It would be more common if it were a carrier where all (or most) of your routes were profitable. Then, you might be forced to cut profitable
74 Cubsrule : But how is this going to affect US? US doesn't have more than a twenty percent share in ANY of these markets.
75 ERJ170 : So, just wondering. with the introduction of these flights, how many aircraft will DL have RON at RDU? I wonder if they will have spares on the ground
76 MAH4546 : Delta also just uploaded RDU-MIA/RSW Saturday CRJ service, as pointed out in this week's OAG thread by enrinla.
77 RDUOODL : Some nights as many as 14 RONs with no spares.
78 dbo861 : I wonder how long these routes will stick around as DL pulls back Comair's CRJ-100/200 fleet over the next year and a half.
79 FlyDeltaJets87 : Good news, especially for RDU-CMH, as I'll be moving to Dayton and can now look at using this route as a low-fare alternative (and a nonstop) when I f
80 xjramper : On the contrary, they can feed a lot of other routes both into and out of RDU. With LAX arriving at 6am, it most certainly can hit the 715 to MCO, 94
81 cessna2 : maybe on the 3 days this flight operates so less than 50% of the time they wont make money?
82 xjramper : I just used that as an example. Besides if you keep reading, you will see I wrote out all those other cities. Look, I'm not happy we're getting them,
83 cessna2 : confused...im not a high school student...not sure why you would assume that. But is DL gearing RDU for further expansion or is this the climax of it
84 smoot4208 : Under your profile, your age says 16-20, that's probably why he assumed that then
85 cessna2 : fixed...sorry i just turned 21 two weeks ago...
86 ERJ170 : Ohhh.. here's to crossing fingers that Delta or Pinnacle will open a hangar at RDU. We really need someone to have one. Seems live every other airport
87 cessna2 : where is there room to build one? Everytime I go over there seems the airport just gets more and more crowed...specially with the new terminal which
88 ERJ170 : RDU is only on about 10% of its actual area size.. there is plenty of room.. especially to the North of the terminal (Terminal 1 area near Umstead Pa
89 cessna2 : i had forgotten about that...they have plenty of room around the area after they shelved the plans for the fourth runway.
90 thegreatRDU : That is the question...
91 ERJ170 : The 3rd/4th (whichever it is) will be located on the Terminal 2 side..
92 cessna2 : yes but thats not going to happen anytime soon with the demise of the JI hub...I think it would take a sustained hub operation to get that ball rollin
93 RDUOODL : This won't be the end of it.... Hopefully not pinnacle, they are the worst connection carrier to grace the DL gates in RDU. Comair has brought MX to
94 Kcrwflyer : We don't. All's well my friend.
95 cessna2 : What makes you so sure?
96 RDUOODL : Just roll with it....and in a few months you'll know.
97 cessna2 : well I hope you are writing a check that won't bounce when I take it to the bank!
98 ERJ170 : I'm hoping some mainline routes will appear.. the RJ routes are nice, but are quickly cut.. mainline are about 0.5% more safe than RJ routes..
99 cessna2 : Same here...I'm assuming more announcements will come with the opening of the second phase of terminal 2.
100 RDUOODL : Well the day an RJ route is added is much better than the day that any route is cut. It would be nice if DL took the endcap of the D Gates. It's nice
101 ERJ170 : D Concourse = Star Alliance concourse = United, Air Canada, US Airways C Concourse = One World & SkyTeam = American, Frontier, Delta I would expe
102 DeltaRules : ...which is what happened at CMH a couple days ago. CMH-CVG is gone in December.
103 FlyDeltaJets87 : Are US and CO planning to move to the D gates once that half of the terminal is complete? And will that leave just WN, B6, and FL on the other side o
104 ERJ170 : United (UA+CO), US, and AC will move to Concourse D on January 23? or somewhere near that.. WN will move to US gates very soon afterwards and take ov
105 TJM321 : Total shame; I remember when this route was operated by 738's, M88's, and even 752's. It wasn't all too long ago. However, I think it's probably safe
106 garnetpalmetto : Wouldn't surprise me at all to see the route temporarily given over to mainline aircraft for the ASG. Could make for some interesting spotting at RDU
107 cessna2 : You seem to know more than you are telling us...
108 RDUOODL : DL has already expressed interest to RDUAA to lease gates C1 and C3 after UA moves. Not all of the vendors will be open once the concourse opens. The
109 ERJ170 : My hope and desire and utter wishes is that RDUAA would tell AA they can not use the International gates for RJ ops and make them international usage
110 cessna2 : Thus hints more service will be added...
111 ERJ170 : I'm gonna put $2 on any 3 of the following: SEA (5 weekly 738) MSY (2 daily CRJ) DCA (4 daily CR7) SFO (5 weekly 319) JAX (1 daily CRJ) PBI (1 daily
112 cessna2 : JAX, MSY, and DCA...SFO is a strech...I think we would see SJC before. SEA would be welcome but again not quite sure.
113 ERJ170 : Well, my thinking was this.. JAX = Delta "hot" station MSY = sufficient O&D SEA = Delta Gateway, RTRP requested city SFO - RTRP requested city DCA
114 cessna2 : alright ill give that to you...didn're realize RTRP had those as requests...They are probably throwing money Delta's way to start more service...
115 lambertman : Whether they are "hot" markets or not, the demand has to be there for any route to work. I can't imagine that Palm Beach and Jacksonville have substa
116 Post contains images ERJ170 : I was postulating potential locals since there is someone with knowledge who has hinted that more routes are to be announced.. I just listed the most
117 RDUOODL : DL may drop gates C10 and C12, much better to have two more mainline gates than two RJ gates. SEA-could happen, O&D is good. With the codesharing
118 Post contains images cessna2 : I can't seem to figure you out...one minute its DL is going to add service this is not the end of it and the next you make me question it...haha way
119 ERJ170 : I concur.. will all the new destinations start in November? will they all be RJ? would any ancillary services be coming to RDU? I want some details t
120 AVLAirlineFreq : Wouldn't it make more sense for DL just to restart SLC? Did DL ever actually fly this route? I know ExpressJet flew it (and it supposedly did well fo
121 MSYtristar : DL did indeed fly it before Katrina...two daily ERJ flights. I suspect this route will come back in the not too distant future if DL is interested in
122 ERJ170 : well, you can look at that 2 ways.. if they restart SLC, it does allow for connections to SFO and SEA... and would provide feed to other small commun
123 cessna2 : why don't they just bring back SLC along with SFO and SEA...They could easily route one non-stop between SFO and SEA and do a couple of one-stop no pl
124 ERJ170 : that is what they do with ATL, DTW, and MSP.. honestly, there isn't a lot of O&D demand to SLC.. I would rather then fly the non-stops and take t
125 RDUOODL : SEA would be the best option. Geographically SFO is better for west coast connections, but the flights aren't there. The connections available from SE
126 ERJ170 : United doesn't have the loyalty like Delta, American, and US does...
127 FutureUScapt : The O&D is half that of LAX (based on 1Q10 data) and RDU struggles to maintain its LAX flight. Furthermore, the average fare was nearly identical
128 DeltaRules : I'd be interested to see if CMH will get anything else in the near future. Seeing the RDU gate talk reminds me that C50 and C51 at CMH have been open
129 cessna2 : I guess at this point, time will tell....
130 RDUDDJI : SEA, not in the next decade. There may be enough O&D, but not enough O&D willing to pay the premium for Non-stops. Same can be said about LAX
131 Cubsrule : Not much of a stretch at all - RSW and PBI have very similar numbers, though I wonder how the generally more affluent crowd that PBI attracts might a
132 Post contains images ERJ170 : So just to summarize Delta service at RDU.. and kinda wrap this all up.. Raleigh-Durham to: Atlanta = 11/12 daily Detroit = 5 daily Minneapolis/St Pau
133 SurfandSnow : Quite the impressive focus city, if I do say so myself. I sure didn't see this coming, though I guess someone had to fill the void that Midway, AA/Ea
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