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Virgin Blue Adds A330s, VA Drops Africa, Thailand  
User currently offlineQF744 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 415 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 22509 times:

Big news for Virgin Blue Group.

Below is from Travel Daily..

QF744


V Australia to operate to Abu Dhabi - drops Africa and Thailand

Virgin Blue has just announced a $21.3 million net profit for the year to 30 Jun, as well as revealing a "major new partnership" with Etihad Airways.

The deal will enable V Australia to launch non-stop services to Abu Dhabi in 2011, with the two airlines set to offer a joint network of more than 100 destinations from 01 Oct.

V Australia will operate three weekly Sydney-Abu DHabi services per week from Feb 2011, as well as three Brisbane-Abu Dhabi flights by February 2012, while the agreement will also see DJ customers able to access the EY network of 65 destinations.

Reciprocally, all Virgin Blue services will available to Etihad customers, with the agreement also integrating the Etihad Guest and Velocity frequent flyer programs.

Virgin Blue ceo John Borghetti said the alliance would allow the carrier to redefine its long haul operation and unlock a "genuine global network.

"This is a real game changer and positions us as a truly global player," he said.

Borghetti also announced the second phase of the Virgin Blue network review, which will see Virgin Blue add two wide-body A330-200 aircraft to its domestic fleet to provide "additional flexibility, capacity and product opportunities to better penetrate both the leisure, corporate and government markets".

V Australia will also suspend its flights to South Africa and Phuket, in addition to the previously announced withdrawal of its Fiji services. The Johannesburg and Phuket services will cease operation in Feb 2011, Borghetti said.

More information in today's Travel Daily.

Source

[Edited 2010-08-26 04:32:01 by ManuCH]


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User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 22403 times:

This is huge.

First Airbus for Virgin Blue. I thought they were allergic to them!

And maybe the seed of a new global alliance????

[Edited 2010-08-25 17:35:41]

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13548 posts, RR: 100
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 22365 times:
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I think the title of the tread needs to be changed to "Virgin Blue Partners with Etihad" Wow!

Quoting QF744 (Thread starter):
Virgin Blue has just announced a $21.3 million net profit for the year to 30 Jun, as well as revealing a "major new partnership" with Etihad Airways.

Very understated...

Quoting QF744 (Thread starter):
Reciprocally, all Virgin Blue services will available to Etihad customers, with the agreement also integrating the Etihad Guest and Velocity frequent flyer programs.

Wow!    Full interline. That is the major step.

Questions (I'm being serious, as I do not know):
1. Does this include VS?

And yes, "3 weekly" isn't a game changer, but this alliance is a big deal. At least from my perspective looking at it from LA.  

Lightsaber



Societies that achieve a critical mass of ideas achieve self sustaining growth; others stagnate.
User currently offlineflyingroo From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 22313 times:

So what does this mean for QF's codeshare arrangement with EY?

Looks like VA/DJ with John Borghetti on board is definitely making life more difficult for Qantas, interested to see how this develops.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7002 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 22192 times:

I wonder where the two A330s are coming from? Used or new? Owned or leased?

User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 22117 times:

Pretty disappointing about them dropping JNB. Shouldn't they have at least tried MEL-PER-JNB if MEL-JNB wasn't viable on its own?

I wonder why -200s with the A330s?

Also, I wonder how they are getting the A330s into their gates at SYD?


User currently offlineDJ748 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 22119 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 4):
I wonder where the two A330s are coming from? Used or new? Owned or leased?

Rumour has it they will be leased, and ex Emirates aircraft. EK are going to be starting to rid themselves of their A330-200's, and DJ have stepped in to take some (or atleast 2 at this stage) on lease. They should be initially be used domestically on routes they need to bolster capacity on - SYD-MEL-SYD, SYD-PER-SYD, and SYD-BNE-SYD to a lesser extent.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 22054 times:

So, nothing new in terms of branding...

User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1584 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 22060 times:

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 6):
Rumour has it they will be leased, and ex Emirates aircraft. EK are going to be starting to rid themselves of their A330-200's, and DJ have stepped in to take some (or atleast 2 at this stage) on lease. They should be initially be used domestically on routes they need to bolster capacity on - SYD-MEL-SYD, SYD-PER-SYD, and SYD-BNE-SYD to a lesser extent.

Yep, the 737-800's don't cut it on those routes at peak, also IMHO PER is still short of peak capacity since the withdrawal of the QF 747-300's

A new phase in the Australian aviation battle commences.



BV
User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 21931 times:

And sending a narrow body to PER from SYD or MEL isn't that attractive to pax and can't carry enough freight.

With only 2 A332s I do not see how they could consider wasting them on SYD-BNE.


User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 21849 times:

The statement talked about the A330s for travel between the west and east, where QF already uses A330/767 exclusively form SYD/MEL. DJ is obviously trying to get more of the business market by offering a similar product. It is interesting, given previous discussion was about east coast capacity, but maybe they'll expand if successful with the AirBii to Perth?

Apparently the QF/Etihad agreement will be terminated within months.


User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 21838 times:

With the A330s, Virgin Blue is looking more and more like a serious airline.

Just two suggestions from me to help this process:
a. Stop charging passengers for check-in bags (makes them look too LCC)
b. It's time for a more professional livery.


User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 21789 times:

This is very exciting and is going to make Virgin Blue into an even better airline


Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7002 posts, RR: 63
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 17803 times:

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 6):
Rumour has it they will be leased, and ex Emirates aircraft.

Thanks.


User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1584 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 21641 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 9):
And sending a narrow body to PER from SYD or MEL isn't that attractive to pax and can't carry enough freight.

With only 2 A332s I do not see how they could consider wasting them on SYD-BNE.

Nope, I won't fly SYD-PER narrowbody

They should move them around the routes to see what works operationally and get more A330's as and when, no one stays with only 2 A330's



BV
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 21510 times:

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 14):
as and when, no one stays with only 2 A330's

So you think they will breed!!!   They might be like the two rabbits that our neighbours once released when they moved, now we are "covered in" rabbits.

What a strange turn of events.


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5826 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 21348 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 2):
1. Does this include VS?

No

Unless the press release said so, why would you think VS was involved?  

Gemuser



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7002 posts, RR: 63
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 21076 times:

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 14):
I won't fly SYD-PER narrowbody

My first ever Ansett flight was SYD-PER on an A320. I rather enjoyed it.  


User currently onlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20973 times:

Very interesting indeed, I am not to familiar with these kinds of deals but is this simply interlining with frequent flyer reciprocal benifits? Does QF currently have this plus a codeshare with EY? I always thought it would be QF who would enter into this kind of deal with EY, not VA. Maybe borgehtti made some friends at EY during his time at QF? Lol Shame MEL will only see three weekly services to LAX I thought Jo'burg was doing well, guess I was wrong lol.

I wonder if these A332 will feature some kind of buisness class? These will certainly be a nice addition to the Australian skys! I do echo the sentiments of above that they now more than Virgim need a new paint scheme, new uniforms wouldn't go astray either!

I hope we see some form of response from QF (I doubt we will, however I still live in hope Joyce is a bit more daring then Dixon) simply for competitive purposes, better products, more flights, more route, all the sort of things that get our A.netter juices flowing!


User currently offlineqf772 From Australia, joined Aug 2006, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20971 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 15):
So you think they will breed!!!

Isn't that why they got a breeding pair?



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User currently offlinedldtw1962 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20938 times:

Is this person going to shut down V Australia? Sounds like it to me. Where else are they going to be flying to besides
the LAX?


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3029 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20908 times:

Very dissapointing news.

Looks like they will be dropping MEL then, as I can not see ultilisation for 1 77W on LAX services alone. There is no mention of AUH from MEL either, so Its confusing. Maybe NRT might on on the cards 

AUH is such a strange choice, considering that EY already have strong connections frrom Australia already, with their own metal. Such increases will really just take things up to around daily on BNE-AUH and 2 daily on SYD-AUH. There is really going to be a struggle to get increase frequencies past that, so unless VA end up taking over some EY frequencies, it seems a strange decision for any longer term route growth, unless they plan to move onto MEL-AUH in future also.

As for MEL, its a big unknown.


User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 20343 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 14):
So you think they will breed!!! They might be like the two rabbits that our neighbours once released when they moved, now we are "covered in" rabbits.

Hope the pair then are indeed a female and a male.... And how do you distinguish the two?  


User currently offline747m8te From Australia, joined Aug 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 20126 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 16):
My first ever Ansett flight was SYD-PER on an A320. I rather enjoyed it.

yeah...but that was Ansett...very different to flying on a DJ 737...

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 11):
With the A330s, Virgin Blue is looking more and more like a serious airline.

Just two suggestions from me to help this process:
a. Stop charging passengers for check-in bags (makes them look too LCC)
b. It's time for a more professional livery.

   these would be a good start into making them a serious airline...

A330s are a good start, though I realy do hope they overhaul their entire product, DJs premium economy is still not at a standard to take on QFs J class, and the regular economy seats are just too uncomfortable, and the PTVs in the seats are far too small and of poor quality.

Quoting QF744 (Thread starter):
V Australia will also suspend its flights to South Africa

I found this news quite disappointing indeed...anyone know what the loads were like?



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User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1584 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 19968 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 16):
My first ever Ansett flight was SYD-PER on an A320. I rather enjoyed it.

The only A320's going there these days fly for Jetstar and thats another no!

I miss the QF Jumbos on this route, do you think that we will ever see a A380 on SYD-PER?



BV
25 IndianicWorld : Loads actually seemed quite high, but yields may be a different story. It just seems JB (CEO) really did not see a point in taking on QF and SA on a
26 DavidByrne : There may be more to come on the withdrawal of VA from the MEL-JNB route. It was recently revealed by an NZ insider on the New Zealand thread that NZ
27 pugsley : Does this mean that the flights to Abu Dhabi will be similar timings to the current Jo'berg flights, and simply one day in Feb the plane will swap th
28 Post contains links and images 9mmpd : I beelive the pax version is the female View Large View MediumPhoto © Darren Koch And the MRTT version is clearly the male lol View Large View Mediu
29 smi0006 : I initail thought this was simply marketing hype from VA, and EY was simply turning into a codeshare whore with FF benifits, however from the EY websi
30 koruman : I think that what we are seeing under Borghetti is Virgin Blue positioning itself further and further away from Richard Branson and global Virgin. We
31 Post contains images behramjee : Ok this is what I can make out from this new venture: 1. The 2 A 332s would be initially WET LEASED as Virgin Australia arent compliant with A 330s un
32 thegeek : The 77E would have only have made sense if it could have gotten second hand aircraft, IMO. Why would you pay all that money for a new build for somet
33 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Bring on Air NZ AKL-MEL-JNB.. We are waiting
34 ZuluAlpha : Yes. QF does have a codeshare with EY through to AUH and Points beyond. It will be interesting who pulls the plug first on this codeshare, EY or QF.
35 lightsaber : There is a reason I phrased it as a question. I personally think this tie up between EY and VA is a big deal. It certainly was a surprise. So my firs
36 Airvan00 : If the 77W was too big, Air NZ with a 744 would be even worse, but at least would be able to fly direct. See:
37 gemuser : Would you like to explain, give sources for this? My understanding that under Australia New Zealand EDTO rules the requirement are basically the same
38 Airvan00 : Virgin Group is only a 25% owner of VBA, so yes, I expect they will be a bit rogue, but will continue to keep the Virgin Group, as well as the other
39 IndianicWorld : I agree. In the NZ thread I also made my points about that, but with a more direct routing, it would allow for a more competitive offering to be deli
40 tayser : 77Es are no good to VA for MEL-LAX.
41 kiwiandrew : While I understand your point of view I have to say that one thing I have learned over the years in this industry is to never say "never" . 30 years
42 Boof : Well I'll chime in and say that I'm happy with the DJ/VA changes. I can understand the problem with JNB and the ETOPS rules, but I didn't pick the EY
43 anstar : yet..... I cant see a big red A330 in current DJ colours.. Of course they will - if this works.... I would then expect to see a few more internationa
44 gemuser : I am sure you are right in most cases. I specifically said "over the Southern Ocean" for a reason. This is one of, if not the most isolated and hosti
45 Baroque : Hope so, they are a really nice plane to fly in. Would Mr Leahy be a party to anything different. And how you tell, is WAIT. I am sure the Airbus sit
46 PA515 : Air NZ has ordered five 77W's and has options on two more. The fourth is due in Nov 2011, the fifth in Feb 2012. PA 515
47 kiwiandrew : To be brutally honest I think much the same would apply to an aircraft going down in the open ocean anywhere in the world - has there ever been a rec
48 kiwiandrew : Interesting to take just 2 A330s , that seems a pretty small subfleet ... I wonder whether there will be more to come ? or whether they are just seen
49 Post contains images PM : If the rumours about them being ex-Emirates are true then the answer is...
50 anstar : Well a 2 class A330 with a DOM type business would be a better suit to HKT. There will be more - this is just the start.
51 NZ1 : Not sure where the AKL-JNB rumour has come from. I can tell you right now, that the 2 744's being kept, are NOT for flights to South Africa. NZ1
52 Post contains images kiwiandrew : It has come from the innate human tendency to speculate when there is an absence of concrete information .... and since you aren't allowed ( yet ) to
53 Ben175 : Wow! Go Virgin! So excited to see how this airline turns out in 5 years. My question is though... where the hell is PER-AUH!?
54 6thfreedom : Given that PER-HKT is going to 3pw, I wouldn't be surprised if DJ stuck this out. Possibly operate as a 1 stop via Darwin. Reduces the need to backtr
55 mariner : I'm not sure where the "rogue" idea is coming from. Virgin Group is still the largest shareholder in Virgin Blue and Sir Richard is heavily involved.
56 Post contains links tayser : http://www.theage.com.au/business/vi...blow-to-qantas-20100826-13sxo.html EY & QF have severed their codeshare relationship.
57 Post contains images Baroque : Re engines If not engine to produce a PM they would be much more limited would they not? The T700 must be a great earner for RR and with a life that w
58 StickShaker : Definitely - the whole point of going to a wide bodied aircraft is to catch more of the premium traffic which is now returning after the GFC. The aqu
59 sunrisevalley : In what way? EDTO applies equally to all routes. The difference between these operators and VOZ is that they are probably limited to 180-min . VOZ is
60 6thfreedom : I wonder how they will carve up the SYD flights. My view is that EY will increase EY454/455 from 4 to daily, and then operate 4pw 450/451 This would a
61 sancho99504 : Why not keep the current EK cabin and just install DJ seat covers and replace the EK logo bulkheads with DJ logo bulkheads? That would be a cheap alt
62 Baroque : The other interesting part of this is it suggests that the A330 "era" if that is what it is, has some way to go before it is eased out by the 787/350
63 Post contains images Zkpilot : deal with NZ as has been anticipated likely. Possible NZ may take a stake in DJ has been rumoured quite vigorously of late. An NZ 744 is a better air
64 Marara : The whole airline is about to be relaunched. Gate lounges, check in halls, lounges, cabins, uniforms and even the livery are being changed. Would har
65 airbazar : And above all, cost. It has nothing to do with the psychological nature of flying over a large body of water. It's the fact that to circumvent the tw
66 kiwiandrew : I am well aware of that , perhaps if you read my post again you will see that I was actually responding to Gemusers contention that the Australian au
67 TN727 : With the dropping of Africa, does that have any implications on QF, was the renewal codeshare agreement with SA only approved because of V Australia e
68 BoeingVista : You have to ask yourself if or when the 787 will be available to open new routes in this fashion, ok these A330's will be leased but HA has shown tha
69 sunrisevalley : I must be missing your point. The same rules apply. Essentially the only difference is the lack of a MRU/RUN-JNB leg which is not EDTO constrained. V
70 kiwiandrew : From my understanding under full EDTO rules they would not be required to make that deviation at all , they could take the most direct path regardles
71 Post contains images PM : Ah, the Dart... Memories of my childhood watching - and listening to - Viscounts, Argosies (Argosys?), 748s (no, not that one!), F.27s, Heralds... Wh
72 Ditzyboy : If it is the EK 332s being leased, I'd be very surprised if they started ripping out seats and IFE system. Standard practice is to re-badge the existi
73 Post contains links QF744 : DJ will introduce business class on the A332s... see this... While Borghetti declined to comment on the product to be offered onboard, he did say gues
74 Post contains images Hamlet69 : I don't know if you can draw any conclusion one way or another from this move. If these planes do end up being sourced from EK, then IMO it suggests
75 gemuser : That would only be allowed as a temporary measure by CASA. (Unless the crew & maintenance people & organisation had Australian certification,
76 koruman : I think that Borghetti should actually consider three-class 737 services, as follows: 1. Business Class available only by purchase or by using points
77 QF744 : Here's more news on the A332s on Travel Daily... DJ A330s from EK VIRGIN Blue’s new wide-body domestic operation (TD yesterday) will utilise two A33
78 StickShaker : If DJ dont allready have delivery slots assigned to them for the 787/350 then it will be late in the decade before they can get their hands on any fr
79 QF744 : At the press conference yesterday, Borghetti said DJ "wasn't looking at the 787 or 350"...
80 SCL767 : I agree with your statements; twins will eventually fly across the Southern Ocean. Hopefully QF will take delivery of some B787s by 2012 -2013 in ord
81 Baroque : Looks that way With DJ If I can be forgiven that one. Displacing the A330 might not be as much of a lay down misere as it first seemed. OMG. Had not
82 747m8te : Well the 743s have been gone for a few years now...but QF won't be getting rid of all the 744s...the will be keeping a couple of the newest 744s (I h
83 Post contains links and images jetfuel : Seat plan for EK A332 2 class config http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Emi...irlines_Airbus_A330-200_2class.php 278 seats total
84 SCL767 : Thanks for that update. Indeed, QF and LA may continue to operate the B-744s and A343s on their respective routes between South America and Australia
85 IndianicWorld : Im alittle skeptical that the A330's are a great idea. They can only really run on East Coast-Perth routes domestically and the config will be differe
86 mariner : I think it's great. As Mr. Borghetti said, PER-SYD is longer than some international flights. mariner
87 eta unknown : or they could relaunch NAN and HKT. Personally, I'm not convinced for the need to have product standardisation in the back of the bus.
88 IndianicWorld : I agree that its an interesting idea, but the way that it is being executed seems strange. THe product onboard will be completely different to the re
89 mariner : I don't know that it will be completely different once Virgin Blue introduces a genuine business class on the airline. Some difference, I'm sure, but
90 alangirvan : No reason why the first two planes should be exclusively domestic planes. Saturday evening is a very quiet day for travel on domestic legs - would yo
91 mariner : I really don't know, I have no idea what their scheduling issues might be. This is what they have announced, and I can only guess what their future p
92 jetfuel : The distances to AUH and LAX are almost identical so I see no reason the 773ER wont be suited for the routes. The issues of headwinds is almost the s
93 Post contains images sunrisevalley : Bang on! This from a VOZ pilot from another site.....quote....Just did LAX-MEL in the -300ER. 365PAX 18.5 tonnes of Cargo, 15 knots on the nose avera
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