MNMncrcnwjr From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 308 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8268 times:
With the announcement of added STL - RDU service is there any solid news on possible concourse changes
From the Recent DL adds RDU service thread ....
Quoting lambertman (Reply 59): Yeah I mentioned that I figured St. Louis would be expanded first, but when I thought about it there is one small problem: gates. In an airport that probably holds the world record for number of available gates Delta is probably at its limits with 41 flights a day.
I think they will eventually move to Concourse C, but neither is budging on the moving costs from what I was last told. Hopefully something gets resolved reasonably soon.
Obviously the A concourse in STL is a bit crowded and lacks any beyond security area for a Sky Club, But the DL gates are close and they do have the ability to utilize 10 & 12 (which would be 7 total gates - 8 if they could reclaim access to 5) and could there be a possibility of UA/CO consolidation that could free up another 1 -2 A gates ...
Now C is a nicer Concourse with added services, but DL would probably be looking at the far end as AA consolidates.
Why wouldn't the unused B concourse be a better area for DL? Yes I know they would need to add Jetways and the cost of renovation .. but they would have their own environment ...
A2, A4, A6, A8 are DL gates, A5 was closed with Starbucks. A10 and A12 can be and have been utilized by Delta. Add them all that's 6 gates, with an average of 8 flights a gate, Delta should be ok, but maybe tight..when AS comes in and is used by Delta personal then it could become even more tight for them.
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BHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1283 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7975 times:
Quoting atrude777 (Reply 2): A2, A4, A6, A8 are DL gates, A5 was closed with Starbucks. A10 and A12 can be and have been utilized by Delta. Add them all that's 6 gates, with an average of 8 flights a gate, Delta should be ok, but maybe tight..when AS comes in and is used by Delta personal then it could become even more tight for them.
Alex, they still have A3 as well. I was thru STL a few weeks ago catching a UA flight to DEN and DL had an ERJ departing to MEM at A3. So that would give them 7 gates, which should be enough for now. A10 and A12 appear to be common use, as there was no signage to be found at the gates. From what I remember at A, CO has 2 gates, US has three and UA the three at the end of the concourse. With CO and UA merging I'm not sure if CO will be giving up any gates to consolidate operations, but if so they would be a good opportunity for DL to pick up an extra gate or two.
With the gate consolidation I don't believe B is an option anymore. IIRC Lambert shut it down to cut costs, maybe someone in the know can pipe in here for sure.
Concourse C will be the best bet for any DL expansion, but as stated in previous threads no one wants to pay for the move over there
steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1423 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7497 times:
Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 7):
Don't be so sure about that...space is not an issue re: building a SkyClub in STL...
Correct, it's been stated that DL is working on a SkyClub "Lite" concept that would most likely see its first use at STL. Evidently they are looking at putting the facility in the former NW crew/staff lounge located just before A3 as you enter the concourse.
The rumors I've read elsewhere also say that DL is indeed studying the feasibility of adding both BOS and LAX to STL. No clues on frequency or aircraft type, but judging by the LGA/DCA/RDU adds, I would imagine BOS to be a minimum of 2x daily on CR7/CR9/E75 (2x E75 seems likely to me). In the case of LAX, 1x daily seems more likely and my guess is an Airbus.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21217 posts, RR: 19 Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7350 times:
Quoting steex (Reply 8): No clues on frequency or aircraft type, but judging by the LGA/DCA/RDU adds, I would imagine BOS to be a minimum of 2x daily on CR7/CR9/E75 (2x E75 seems likely to me). In the case of LAX, 1x daily seems more likely and my guess is an Airbus.
Delta failed at BNA-BOS with zero competition - how are they going to make STL-BOS work against WN?
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MoMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7074 times:
My exceptionally poor opintion of the St. Louis Aviation Authority aside, it's good to see DL expanding their operations at STL. It would make sense that DL could move to the "C" concourse and potentially use the old TWA international club as a lounge. I can see the potential for DL to make a nice focus city operation out of the business community in STL whom have been through hell for air service (routes being dropped, downgraded, etc) for the past 10 years.
The airport would probably be better off tearing down A, B, and C and rehabbing D since it already connects to E.
tsugambler From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 302 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7008 times:
I think there's definitely some potential for demo/reno of the "A" concourse, but I wonder what could really be done with "B"... to my eye, there isn't that much space there. Of course, that's probably why it's not being used currently. If DL were to make STL a focus city and moved to "C," would there be any reason for some of the smaller or less frequent carriers to move to "B"? I have to admit, it would give me no small feeling of schadenfreude to see AA shunted to "B."
I have to admit, it would give me no small feeling of schadenfreude to see AA shunted to "B."
B was the old AA concourse back in the 60's, 70's early 80's before TW and OZ took over B for awhile while D was being constructed. Since AA now has less service at STL than they did in the 70's...why not, cost aside. And they don't have to share it with Frontier MK1. Then STL could have Star on A, oneworld on B and Skyteam and all non-WN on C. D could be turned into a bowling alley....
nwa757300 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 298 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6971 times:
DL moving to C would be the best option, but apparently the city of STL does not want to pay for the move. I don't blame them as there is no guarantee from DL as to maintaining a certain level of service. There would be more space, better concessions and IIRC there's club space available in the middle of the concourse where TWA had an Ambassador's club.
Last I heard from station persoel, DL got A10 for sure.
tsugambler From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 302 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6943 times:
As a St. Louis expatriate, I'm a little bemused by the decision not to pay for DL's move to C. If I were in charge, I would take every opportunity to expand the amount and level of service available at Lambert, even if it means plunking down some funds to facilitate the move for DL. I would definitely want to give DL the opportunity to expand there, since it's pretty obvious that AA won't.
MoMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6896 times:
Quoting tsugambler (Reply 15): As a St. Louis expatriate, I'm a little bemused by the decision not to pay for DL's move to C. If I were in charge, I would take every opportunity to expand the amount and level of service available at Lambert, even if it means plunking down some funds to facilitate the move for DL. I would definitely want to give DL the opportunity to expand there, since it's pretty obvious that AA won't.
Unsure why you are bemused? The STLAA has done nothing, nada, zip, zero, zilch to promote air service to the area. It's really an embarassment to the city, region, and state. The STLAA should be bending over backwards to accomodate DL and their expansion efforts.
TOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6172 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6889 times:
Quoting MoMan (Reply 16): The STLAA has done nothing, nada, zip, zero, zilch to promote air service to the area. It's really an embarassment to the city, region, and state. The STLAA should be bending over backwards to accomodate DL and their expansion efforts.
I'm very happy to see DL possibly doing more expansion at STL. AA really blew it.
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I disagree. AA did what was best for AA and I can't blame them for that.
Quoting MoMan (Reply 16): The STLAA has done nothing, nada, zip, zero, zilch to promote air service to the area. It's really an embarassment to the city, region, and state.
They've really done a poor job in trying the get more service and keep the airport in good shape, while wasting time selling pork to the Chinese or whatever.
Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 5): .and then push out the lower level to create a central security and connect A and C to make one long linear concourse.
That would be nice wouldn't it. The renovated check in area is very nice, but the baggage claim level is as dark and dingy as ever. But whatever happens to STL will probably have to happen in stages since I can't see them getting money for some grand master plan, especially since some people mistakenly hold the new runway against them.
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jmy007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 591 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6794 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 18): That would be nice wouldn't it. The renovated check in area is very nice, but the baggage claim level is as dark and dingy as ever. But whatever happens to STL will probably have to happen in stages since I can't see them getting money for some grand master plan, especially since some people mistakenly hold the new runway against them.
The baggage claim area in the Main Terminal is looking brighter and cleaner and modern that it ever has. It's a vast improvement from what it was, short of a complete renovation.
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lambertman From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2040 posts, RR: 38 Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6761 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9): Delta failed at BNA-BOS with zero competition - how are they going to make STL-BOS work against WN?
I suppose the WN factor mitigates this, but St. Louis-Boston is roughly double the size of the Nashville-Boston market. With more passenger numbers comes greater premium traffic, but I do agree, it wouldn't be a lock. I also thought it to be a good idea, but WN is such a game changer you never know with them on any route.
I rally do wonder about AS on SEA. Is there enough room for two carriers year round? I doubt it, but hope I'm wrong.
Quoting tsugambler (Reply 12): I think there's definitely some potential for demo/reno of the "A" concourse, but I wonder what could really be done with "B"... to my eye, there isn't that much space there. Of course, that's probably why it's not being used currently. If DL were to make STL a focus city and moved to "C," would there be any reason for some of the smaller or less frequent carriers to move to "B"? I have to admit, it would give me no small feeling of schadenfreude to see AA shunted to "B."
There's really no reason to open up B. They put Air Tran over there to let them grow if need be and outside of that, it really hasn't served much of a purpose for years. I think it will eventually be razed, or it should be, anyway
Quoting MoMan (Reply 16): Unsure why you are bemused? The STLAA has done nothing, nada, zip, zero, zilch to promote air service to the area. It's really an embarassment to the city, region, and state. The STLAA should be bending over backwards to accomodate DL and their expansion efforts.
I'm pretty sure they are. It's not the same regime that Hrabko was. Our AD knows what shes doing and landed AS, a major feather in a midwest airport's cap. And its not as if DL is going to come in guns blazing with 20 more flights a day. We've seen incremental service additions....or basically as much as we could hope for.
Quoting nwa757300 (Reply 14): DL moving to C would be the best option, but apparently the city of STL does not want to pay for the move. I don't blame them as there is no guarantee from DL as to maintaining a certain level of service.
I think there's a strong likelihood DL ends up with a 45-50 flight a day station out of STL when its all "said and done". The fact that they won't pay for a move to concourse C indirectly reveals their plans. They're going to add seats, but it isn't going to be anything crazy as long as WN isn't in town.
Speaking of WN, I like to play the "what if they never entered STL" game when I'm bored at work. Endless scenarios....
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21217 posts, RR: 19 Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6269 times:
Quoting lambertman (Reply 20): I suppose the WN factor mitigates this, but St. Louis-Boston is roughly double the size of the Nashville-Boston market.
I don't know that I buy "twice the size" - for more than ten years, STL has had a lot more service to BOS than has BNA, and BOS-BNA has never had low fare service. I'll grant that it's larger, but it also has 274 daily seats.
In general, I think WN will be an impediment to DL success at STL. STL's 10 biggest O&D markets are, IIRC, CHI, DAL, MCO, WAS, NYC, DEN, LAS, LAX, ATL, and PHX (in approximately that order). Of those, WN serves 7 or 8 (depending on whether you count BWI as WAS), and I suspect they'll be in STL-LGA when they get more LGA slots. DL currently serves or has announced only three of the top ten, and I can't see them flying MCO, DEN, LAS, or PHX. That leaves them outside looking in to the the three largest markets - that's probably a tough pill for the business traveler to swallow, especially when WN has three hubs or quasi-hubs within 300 miles.
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I would bet/think MCO would come before DAL/CHI (even though i bet alot of Delta fans would take DFW.....oh how i miss that hub). I wouldn't be shocked to see DL start the same markets they are starting from RDU along with LAX.
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DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8770 posts, RR: 13 Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6058 times:
I'd be very surprised to see Delta add STL-MCO. RDU-Florida isn't horrible with an RJ - 534 miles to MCO, 587 to TPA. On the longer end for a CRJ ride, but I have done GSO-MCO many times on the CRJ and it wasn't the worst RJ ride.
STL-Florida would require a two-cabin product (given Delta's new product standards of F on all flights over 750 miles) so that rules out CRJs. I don't see Delta putting a CRJ-700/900 on STL-Florida - those planes are going to the business markets, and STL-MCO/TPA is not in that category.
I have heard rumblings of STL to Boston on a -900 or -175 sized plane. 1-2x/day. Fits in with the STL strategy of going to key business markets. I don't foresee STL-LAX happening unless AA was to drop off a bit on that route, though it's being considered.
I'd expect Boston and Cancun to be in the next round of stations added to STL (CUN with the typical Sat-only narrowbody).
As for the SC, exact location is TBD. DL is also making the old NW counters a SkyPriority area (and the AS counters). Recharge stations also most likely coming to STL as well. No moves to C/D though. D Concourse has been ruled out completely.
25 deltal1011man: eh really, i could see 1x E75 to MCO, wouldn't shock me at all. Big Delta city ect. but i don't think it'll happen IMO the only two citys i expect to
26 usafret: As a weekly STL user, the airport is in a sad state of affairs. The baggage claim is better than before, but "C" is about empty on the AA CRJ side. AA
27 Cubsrule: For sure - but I don't think any of the 3 will happen in the next 5-10 years.
28 davescj: This would be a plus to the DL SC system. But what would a SC 'Lite" be? Small? PHL isn't exactly big, neither is the SC in MKE. But Both fit the mar
29 Cubsrule: Did they get rid of the premium line at the C/D checkpoint?
30 jetlanta: Cubs, for the record, BNA-BOS was actually a good market for DL. It just wasn't a strategic priority at the time and there was a significant aircraft
31 BHMNONREV: I would also agree that Ms. H-N knows what she is doing, little by little the airport is starting to see some more options especially for the busines
32 SkedGuy: I can absolutely assure you this is not the case. Just because you don't hear about it in the newspaper doesn't mean the airport isn't out promoting
33 Cubsrule: Does Delta drop profitable flying? It's not like they have - or had - a shortage of regional aircraft.
34 jetlanta: When it is a non-strategic, seasonal market like BNA-BOS the may indeed drop profitable flying. And they do indeed have a shortage of regional equipm
35 FlyPNS1: Why would DL be dumping RJ's if there was such a shortage? There's plenty of RJ's looking for a good home, so if DL has a shortage (which they don't)
36 deltal1011man: Delta isn't dumping any RJs save the F8 aircraft, and that has to do with F8 not meeting its contract. They are dumping SF3, which need 50 seat back
37 TVNWZ: How would you pay for it? Not true at all. I know from first hand experience they are beating the bushes trying to come up with anything that would w
38 cassman: New to this forum, but have always checked it out here and there. I only decided to respond as I had something relevant to add. I live in PDX and Delt
39 peanuts: Welcome to a.net. Heaven on earth for airline armchair CEO's and a few who actually know what they're talking about. What you hear regarding STL-AMS/
40 jetlanta: There is a shortage because they are getting rid of 100 of them and the strategic value of doing that is more important than markets like BNA-BOS. It
41 tsugambler: I've done a lot of STL-based flying in the past, and my AAdvantage membership has benefited a lot. However, I just used the last of my AAdvantage mil
42 SurfandSnow: First of all, before we get too excited here, let's see how all the new flights (LGA, DCA, and now RDU) do before we start pondering further expansion
43 777STL: It was there back at the end of July, so if they did get rid of it, it's been within the past month. I'll report back next week, when I'll be flying
44 Cubsrule: You'd think so, but AA never did. Your chronology is off. Delta last flew BNA-BOS in the summer of 2007 (I think they announced it for 2008, but it d
45 BMI727: That's probably what it will take, and I highly doubt it will happen. AMS or CDG might work, but London would be a much better bet although Delta wou
46 777STL: Is there a Dunkin Donuts somewhere in E or A? I had heard somewhere that they were going to put one in, but I haven't flown an airline other than AA
47 steex: Dunkin Donuts/Baskin Robbins has opened in both A and E. The location in E is next to the Burger King across from E16 (left of security as you enter
48 jetlanta: I know. There was a shortage at the time as well. I just sort of rolled it up in the explanation because the reasoning was the same.
49 SlcDeltaRUmd11: IMHO I really don't think STL will ever see service to Hawaii, Alaska, Asia, or Europe ever again unless someone remakes it a real hub. I dont see a
50 BMI727: I've heard O&D between STL and Europe is in the neighborhood of 300 people. You might be surprised, depending on corporate travel policies. There
51 BHMNONREV: Unless things have changed dramatically since the TWA days, the lack of paid premium passengers will keep any T/A flights from happening unless subsi
52 PITrules: With 2.8 million ppl in the metro area, St. Louis will have service to Europe in the future. Remember B.Cal had service to STL as well. Since there is
53 SlcDeltaRUmd11: How valuable LHR slots are now i just think that is not even a remote option How few o&d passengers there are a day to CDG or AMS is the main conc
54 BMI727: No they won't. But I think that STL can support a transatlantic flight without a subsidy at least seasonally. I think that LHR is the only transatlan
55 777STL: Nothing DL does or tries surprises me anymore. I won't bet against them, but then again, I also doubt that they will get any subsidies or revenue guar
56 lambertman: Not true, or at least I hope not (seems highly unlikely). That figure was reported from the notoriously over matched St. Louis Post Dispatch reporter
57 Cubsrule: OK - but why cut BOS-BNA rather than HSV or LEX-MCO?
58 777STL: AB Inbev will do absolutely nothing for an international route. ABI already has its North American HQ set up in New York for precisely this reason -
59 lambertman: Yeah, I had heard that St. Louis was on the ropes as far as executive offices. I had two friends in IT/IS that were laid off and now work for Express
60 BMI727: It isn't like there is a whole lot of reason to stay in St. Louis.
61 TVNWZ: St. Louis' Largest International Companies* 1. Emerson . 2. Monsanto Co. 3. Energizer Holdings Inc. . 4. Boeing Integrated Defense Systems 5. Solutia
62 777STL: We did actually gain a F500 company in the past year, here in STL. Not that it means much. Apparently not enough to support a daily flight to Europe.
63 SlcDeltaRUmd11: I do not see BA flying STL-LHR EVER. They would have entered immediately after AA left if they had interest in the market, wouldn't they? Again if the
64 PITrules: But its not just O&D numbers to CDG or AMS that matters, its total O&D from STL to all of Europe and beyond that matters.
65 Cubsrule: The picture in STL really isn't much different from BDL, PIT, RDU, or your home airport - SLC. In each case, if the business community is willing to
66 davescj: I would see DL going to AMS or CDG rather than LHR for one reason: hub connection. But, DL has a flight to CDG from ORD (AF operated codeshare). DL f
67 lambertman: Thank you for the useless comment. If you want to be ass, do it somewhere else. Did we "gain" one or did we have one move into the top 500? I never r
68 SlcDeltaRUmd11: I really enjoy this discussion, and again i am pulling for STL i just dont see Europe or Asia being flown Yes its totally different those cities could
69 777STL: One moved into the F500 - Centene. I'm not sure about Reinsurance Group. The entire merger has been nothing but lies. "Oh, we're not cutting any jobs
70 PITrules: Yes, there will be a connection necessary, but the difference is a flight to CDG or AMS gives the ability to get to dozens of markets in Europe, Afri
71 SlcDeltaRUmd11: I would bet you the o&d to cities worldwide not served non stop from jfk,ewr,iad,atl,ord,lax yyz or sfo is really small. Even India or the middle
72 BMI727: That's easily STL's best bet. I don't see much of a chance at all for any other combination of airlines or destinations to succeed. That is the only
73 Cubsrule: You missed my entire point. DL didn't start SLCCDG until SLC paid a subsidy. DL didn't start PITCDG until PIT paid a subsidy. NW didn't start BDLAMS
74 davescj: Don't forget, WA has a hub in SLC, do DL did inherit SLC a bit, which helped. Further, no one has enough of LAX to push anyone else out. Hence, why D
75 lambertman: What does possessiveness have to do with making a comment like you did? I'm merely pointing out the level of idiocy associated with you post. Nobody
76 PITrules: I disagree here; I would say that if there was a STL-CDG flight about 50% of the people on board would be going to these secondary destinations in Eu
77 deltal1011man: Delta is getting paid for both SLC-NRT and SLC-CDG. That is the only thing that isn't the same. The only thing i have to say is Delta was going to fl
78 SlcDeltaRUmd11: The airport would never cover the entire cost! I dont think you understand how incentives work SLC isnt "paying for the flights" they offered an ince
79 deltal1011man: When i said STL i meant anyone/everyone who lives in STL and wants CDG flights(or TATL for that matter). I don't really believe that will happen, but
80 N670UW: Loads were at 68 percent, actually. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10072/1042540-28.stm From the article: The conference, in a report to the Alleghen
81 Cubsrule: Yes and no. I think the bigger problem in St Louis is a generally anti-business environment, not the level of air service. Nissan North America recen
82 stl1326: Is Delta currently building a SkyClub in STL or is it in the planning stages? Should we be expecting an announcement from Delta stating they are addi
83 jmy007: I think this argument for European service from STL is missing a big key piece, the 787. Obviously the 757 doesn't have the range, and the 767 is too
84 777STL: I believe it's in the planning stages. DL is looking to utilize a "SkyClub lite" concept. Apparently, there's an old NW crew rest/lounge in A termina
85 SlcDeltaRUmd11: I dont think thats a factor at all. Isn't the 787 suppose to be in between a 767 and 777 in size? Its at least the same size if not larger for most v
86 WesternA318: Isnt DL one of the first customers for it, or did they cancel the order?
87 777STL: I highly doubt it. It's still too much airplane regardless of operating efficiencies.
88 cassman: Wow! Lots of chat on this since I posted the other day. I will ask my friend out of curiosity why they are looking at this possibility, but here's my
89 BMI727: That won't make a difference. It will be a very long time before a 787 is scheduled into STL, if ever.
90 tsugambler: I'd love to see 787s at STL, too, but at this point, I'd settle for any widebody airliner to anywhere. *Just a side note: I remember years ago my gra
91 MoMan: I don't think that Delta would use an expensive 787 to service a marginal route (STL-CDG). If anything, they would replace a high-profile route with
92 stl1326: Delta had its inaugural flight to LGA from STL today....here is the news story on the expanded service. I hope these flights do well and Delta continu
93 lambertman: It's pretty funny to hear new outlets throw around the "h word". I'm not sure if they hadn't noticed, but the era of hub establishment is over. Way,
94 deltal1011man: ehhh not sure if agree with that one, but i do agree that its over for STL. In just the last 10 year Delta has built a true hub at JFK.....so Its not
95 stl1326: Since they seem to be focusing on adding major business destinations to STL, BOS and LAX seem to be perfect additions and with Southwest the only car
96 atrude777: I flew Delta/Comair to JFK yesterday, and indeed there was quite a hoopla! Was nice to see LGA for Delta as part of the new flights on the departure b
97 dldtw1962: Just thinking here. And I know that gets me in trouble allot as per my wife. But, could DL be building up STL to replace CVG as a small or mini hub? I
98 MoMan: No. Delta would be foolish to drop CVG for STL, the main factor being the lack of LCC competition in CVG along with a more vibrant business community
99 bobnwa: The 787-8 version which NW/DL has on order is the same size as a 767-300.