N49WA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11417 times:
I know that the majority of airlines from around the globe store retired aircraft in the deserts of the USA. Mojave, Victorville, etc.
I'm wondering if any Russian aircraft, IL-62's/TU-154's and others are stored in the American deserts, or does Russia "take care of their own?" I've never seen photos of these birds at one of the above mentioned airports.
I would love to take a road trip and photograph a Russian airliner at one of the US desert locations. Thanks in advance for your replies.
fn1001 From Moldova, joined Sep 2008, 227 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11262 times:
- In 1961, a disappointed Soviet pilot flew his Sukhoi Su-9 interceptor to Abadan, Iran. (...) Su-9 was transported to the USA (...)
- In 1966, Iraqi Captain Munir Redfa flew his MiG-21F-13 to Israel. Two years later, Israel gave his MiG-21F-13 and two MiG-17F to the United States for evaluation under the code-name "Have Donut" (for the MiG-21), and "Have Drill" (for the MiG-17).
- On September 20, 1993, a Cuban pilot defected in his MiG-21bis to NAS Key West, Florida.
pylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1392 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11255 times:
I have never heard or seen Russian made or even leased aircraft stored in the US.
Here at DME I saw Transaero Boeing-747-200 this winter which were not in use during winter season.
Those were covered by snow.
But they fly again this summer - most of them are near end of utilization.
I guess that cold winter and snow (and that was the winter we had this year) are as good for storing as desert.
pylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1392 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11163 times:
I think cargo planes like AN-12 or IL-76 might be in the US or anywhere in the world.
There are too many of them.
And many outside Russia and having not Russian registration (say, for IL-76 it should be RU-76... - and serial number).
As to Ukranian tanker - it's sad. I guess Ukranian AF don't need it much.
atcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 801 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11093 times:
There are some Russian MiGs at the Pima Air Museum near Tucson...which is an outstanding museum with a truly world-class selection of historical aircraft. I don't know if you were looking for airliners or Russian aircraft in general, but that's all that I'm aware of.
I live near Phoenix and my county airport, Pinal Air Park (MZJ), is one of the better known boneyards. Although it's about 80 miles from where I live (Arizona has some gigantic counties), I'm down that way fairly regularly. While there are former airliners from all over the world stored there or left for dead, I've yet to see a Russian aircraft. It's nearly all Boeing, Douglas, and McD with several Lockheed L1011s, a few old NW Airlink RJs, and occasionally a few Airbus...but those aren't too common and they don't stay long.
However, it's still a great place to take pictures, Russian aircraft or not! I have a great time going down there to take pictures and catch the tail number to find out its story...some airplanes have pretty cool stories to tell too. When I was down there a couple years ago, I saw a Royal Brunei 777-200 on the flight line fresh from the paint shop with a UA registration. It was one of the early 777 deliveries to UA (around 1995). It was mothballed at GYR, brought back to service, leased to Varig, then went back to UA (but not back to service) and was in the process of being leased to Royal Brunei but it fell through. It was never delivered and I have no idea what happened to it, because Royal Brunei didn't get 777s until recently and they came from Singapore. It was a beautiful aircraft with a nice c/s and when I taxiied right next to it, it made my Warrior look like a joke!
flyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 978 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10734 times:
Quoting pylon101 (Reply 3): I guess that cold winter and snow (and that was the winter we had this year) are as good for storing as desert.
I doubt that, in a desert the amount of corrosion taking place is limited. I cannot possibly imagine the same would be true for a winter with snow and ice, which melts and refreezes. Not to mention that upon the arrival of spring the aircraft would thaw.
"None are more hopelessly enslaved, than those who falsly believe they are free" -Goethe
pylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1392 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10617 times:
This truly amazing to see OK IL-62 in North Carolina.
There is obviously some history behind it.
Quoting flyorski (Reply 8): I doubt that, in a desert the amount of corrosion taking place is limited. I cannot possibly imagine the same would be true for a winter with snow and ice, which melts and refreezes. Not to mention that upon the arrival of spring the aircraft would thaw.
Right, right. But most charter airlines in Russia store their aircraft at home during the winter period.
Like Transaero, VIM, Red Wings and some others I saw at DME.
canyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 389 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10015 times:
If I remember correctly there is at least one MIG (I think it's a MIG-21) on display at the Boeing Field History of Aviation Museum in Seattle. Great place to visit - they also have a Concorde and an Air Force One 707 that you can walk through there.
falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5878 posts, RR: 28 Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9935 times:
I saw an AN-2 at YIP a few months ago. It looked like it had not moved in a long time.
Quoting fn1001 (Reply 1): Thes plane should be somewhere in the US.
There are no shortage of Soviet fighter planes in the USA. The USAF museum in Dayton has several. There are also a number of them at museums around the country and several that fly. I saw this MiG 17 fly into YIP in June. I have seen it out on the ramp there a few times and it is a regular airshow visitor.
I was at Laurenburg-Maxton airport looking at a 1957 Cessna 172 for sale (I bought it!) a few weeks ago. The IL-62, Air France 707-320 and Intercontinental Airways DC-8-33 have all been scrapped, sad to say. Russ Farris
pylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1392 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3395 times:
I thought the thread was about storing aircraft during periods Russian airlines didn't utilize them?
Information about old fighters is very interesting though.
If we look at desert airfields, we will not see any considerable number of aircraft from Asia.
And not so many from Europe.
I would prefer if great IL-96-300s of the former Domodedovo Airlines and some other remainings of the unlucky AirUnion are kept in better conditions than on DME termac. While waiting for outcome of that long and slow restructuring.
As to Transaero Boeing 747-200s, their remaining value is so low that keeping them in US deserts would be unreasonable.
By the way. It would be great idea for Egypt or Israel (or rather both, for obvious reasons) to build same facilities.
It would close. It doesn't need big investment.