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I'm In JFK T3 . . . What's So Bad?  
User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3628 posts, RR: 6
Posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4340 times:

so I always read the rants about T3. I'm here now . . . Not ultra modern but certainly not the dump a.netters make it to be.clean, roomy, looks like a shopping mall circa early 90s. Shops are nice too.

I just don't get the beef.

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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15839 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4303 times:

Well, you are there a bit after the big rush. When I was there about a month ago and I could barely move around in the check in area and the security lines were terrible (I couldn't find the F line). But if you think T3 is nice now, you should go have a gander at T2.


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4280 times:

-Overly crowded (right now at 930p it's not bad - try going around 5pm and walking from the 4-7 gate area to the 18-20 gate area - it's typical NYC traffic)
-Early 90s was 20 years ago. At JFK and in NYC, that's not competitive to the new facilities that Continental, American and JetBlue all operate, not to mention Terminals 1/4 at JFK.
-Birds flying all over the place in the rotunda
-Lack of shops

Basically, it's a usable terminal at off-peak hours. For use during Delta's major international operation period, the facility gets overwhelmed.


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4265 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Thread starter):

Other than it being to small for the peak rush, the leaky roof and those stupid dots............nothing.

Delta just pushes a lot of PAXs via the building and its to small for peak hours. Delta 2(?) years ago put 100M+ into T2/3 and it looks better.

PS.....if your in T2(never seen them in 3) look out for birds.   ....not joking.



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User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4244 times:

The biggest problem is the crowding during the evening rush. The security line can easily take 30 mins.

User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

Take pictures of the Worldport please! 


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User currently offlinedairbus From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4050 times:
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I am guessing you didn't come in from an international flight. Otherwise, you would of seen "The Cave" as I call it. As much as I love T3 for it's historical value as an aviation buff, I absolutely dread having to go through immigration there.

The other posters are right that during peak hours T3 is barely adequate but it's not that bad the rest of the day.



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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3628 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4004 times:

I will add this. It is very hot in there, the AC stinks. It's not that hot in nyc today either. About 75 F.

Another note, the 70s extension is not bad. The hyped rotunda is a mess, but it is more due to lack of maintenance on the roof than the structure itself.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

What I really dislike is the check-in area. It is so much nicer when I am Medallion or fly business and get to check in in Terminal 2. The immigration facilities when arriving are also kind of bad. Other than that, I don't complain too much. It reminds me of a MEX-JFK-FCO/CDG-JFK-MEX trip my parents and I did when I was a kid with Pan Am.


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User currently offlinexjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2473 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

I flew out of T4 the other day, and besides the bus "service" it really is a beautiful terminal. So here's to hoping the plans go through and T3 gets torn down *raises glass*

I would like to see them keep the rotunda after they tear down T3 just for a viewing area or a connecting walk way between T2 and T4.

xjr



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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4317 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3727 times:

Quoting dairbus (Reply 6):
I am guessing you didn't come in from an international flight. Otherwise, you would of seen "The Cave" as I call it. As much as I love T3 for it's historical value as an aviation buff, I absolutely dread having to go through immigration there.

  

The worst customs facility I have ever been through anywhere, and I have been a few places.


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5855 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 3492 times:

Seconded on the lousy A/C -- I always feel like I'm going to pass out in there.

It also just looks old. 15+ years of huge volumes of passengers passing through take their toll. The place looks worn out, from the bathrooms to the seats to the walls.


User currently offlineMadDogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3386 times:

I have to agree with the OP, have been a medallion flyer through JFK for years now (and pretty sure I have been through every gate between T2 and T3) and don't really see that it's a "huge dump" as people have called it. Far from the nicest facility on the planet, but I don't find it intolerable either.

I will agree that the check-in areas can get overwhelmed easily, especially at T3, but that's why I usually print my boarding pass at home or use T2 (I very seldom go through T3 check-in unless it's an off-hour). It can be a little slow walking from gates 12-15 due to the post-9/11 security partition which narrows the walkway considerably, but it isn't that far of a walk. I also went through the "cave" for customs and immigration a few months ago - it wasn't a terribly unpleasant experience. Lines were relatively short (arrived at 6AM from CAI). Other than the facility looking like it is falling apart with buckets collecting water in places, I really don't see that it's that awful.

The T2 regional operation is a cluterf$ though - I will be happy to arrive there, but try never to depart from there on RJ flights. But that's due more to too many flights in the same space and overwhelmed/unintelligent/rude gate agents.

I will say this about the birds, I am pretty sure they "migrate" around the terminal. I've seen them in T2, the T3 rotunda, and hovering around Gate 6 which is all the way around the 70's extension. I think when they put up the nets post-9/11, they were already in there and just got stuck. I'm actually surprised that in so many years, nobody from DL or the PANYNJ has done anything about this.

I am looking forward to DL's plans to migrate over to T4, but strange as it may seem, I think I will miss T3 and all of the memories I have in that building. I must have spent at least a few days worth of time there over the years...and met some interesting people there along the way too.

[Edited 2010-08-27 06:26:16]

User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6826 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3144 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
When I was there about a month ago and I could barely move around in the check in area and the security lines were terrible (I couldn't find the F line).

If you're F/Medallion, you definitely want to check in at T2 and take the moving walkways over to T3...

Quoting apodino (Reply 10):
The worst customs facility I have ever been through anywhere, and I have been a few places.

You need to get around more...  The Concourse E FIS at MIA is far worse IMHO. BOS Terminal E wasn't much to write home about, either.


User currently offlinepit From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

im sorry but t2 is a dump. head over to the jetblue or american terminal. i cant stand the whole rj maze tent that delta has set up there to.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15839 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2780 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 13):
If you're F/Medallion, you definitely want to check in at T2 and take the moving walkways over to T3...

That's what I ended up doing. But even that is not what it used to be. I was in line chatting with one of the TSA agents and he was saying that T2 has gotten worse since DL started allowing coach passengers to clear security there.



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User currently offlineFrostbite From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2725 times:

Quoting dairbus (Reply 6):
"The Cave" as I call it. As much as I love T3 for it's historical value as an aviation buff, I absolutely dread having to go through immigration there.

Spot on.

It is always interesting, for example, to contemplate the gate where the very first revenue 747 flight departed. Granted, the rain collectors take the shine off things a bit. As for the "Rotunda Sparrows"...T3 is by no means unique in this regard, you will find such birds in many, many airports (and other similar structures, like shopping malls) around the world...pay close attention in the ATL Atrium, for example.

Seriously, as a USA-originating passenger that typically connects through JFK to Europe, the outbound experience is not too bad. But the return experience is flat-out bad. In particular I "like" the narrow down escalators, with low ceilings that literally require a tall guy like me to duck in order to avoid a head-on-concrete interaction. Then, there is the lack of connectivity with other parts of the airport/off-airport. I had the pleasure of making the trek to the Air Train from the international arrivals dungeon of T3 - no small feat if you aren't traveling light.

The whole issue of T3 is a worn-out topic...but T3 itself is even MORE worn out, it is true. At the end of the day, I far prefer the well-oiled machine that is ATL...


User currently offlineskymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 2593 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
I was in line chatting with one of the TSA agents and he was saying that T2 has gotten worse since DL started allowing coach passengers to clear security there.

I came through T2 yesterday, using the Priority line, as there was quite a queue in the other line. However, the priority line moved much slower since the TSA did NOT have one of its scanners working opposite that line and we had to merge in at an awkward angle. I asked a TSA supervisor and was told "it's the airlines fault for putting too many passengers through"!
HUH????
Are we not paying for security operations with our ticket? TSA simply fell down on the job, blamed the airline and told me very brusquely to take a hike.

(but they did not get my toothpaste!).



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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3985 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

Flew through T2&3 earlier this year (connecting from LHR to BGR). Honestly, to a foreign visitor, it is a terrible first impression of a great city (got a 6-7hr stopover and went to see NY!)

User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3628 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 2514 times:

"Flew through T2&3 earlier this year (connecting from LHR to BGR). Honestly, to a foreign visitor, it is a terrible first impression of a great city (got a 6-7hr stopover and went to see NY!)"

Then we will not talk about the hot, third-world country like dump that the VS terminal is at LHR.

The waiting room (yes they won't give you a gate so you stay in a retail waiting room) looked (and I would assume felt) like an immigrant's trip through Ellis Island. Sights, smells, and oppressive air included.

It seems that old, great cities such as NYC and London have things in common, huh?


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15839 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 2357 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 18):
Flew through T2&3 earlier this year (connecting from LHR to BGR). Honestly, to a foreign visitor, it is a terrible first impression of a great city (got a 6-7hr stopover and went to see NY!)

Can't disagree with that, but I don't think that is as bad as the immigration agent I saw in the jetway as I was leaving a flight. She looked completely disinterested with her head resting on her hands. Welcome to America.



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