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DL 1: Why Consistently Delayed?  
User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 866 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7099 times:

Hi All,

Sorry if this has been answered in another thread. It seems that for the past few days DL 1 JFK-LHR has been consistently delayed from 9:00 p.m. until about 10:30 p.m. Why is this? Is DL short a 767-400, the aircraft scheduled to fly this route?


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User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7061 times:

I'd suspect, but this is without data, that the problem is the JFK construction. It is making havoc with everything.

Dave



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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3541 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6787 times:

"I'd suspect, but this is without data, that the problem is the JFK construction. It is making havoc with everything."

There's no construction going on at JFK to cause these delays.


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1965 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6730 times:

I think the combination of DL and JFK is enough of an explanation.

User currently offlineBlueman87 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6652 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 2):
There's no construction going on at JFK to cause these delays.

there completely done with the bay runway?



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User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3045 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6643 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 3):
I think the combination of DL and JFK is enough of an explanation.

Ha, I was thinking the exact same thing. The departure time is really more a ballpark time...not set in stone.


User currently offlineB6A322 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6610 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 5):
The departure time is really more a ballpark time...not set in stone.

I think that pretty much goes for any airline at JFK (with the exception of very early/late departures).



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User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3045 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6584 times:

Quoting Soxfan (Thread starter):
Sorry if this has been answered in another thread. It seems that for the past few days DL 1 JFK-LHR has been consistently delayed from 9:00 p.m. until about 10:30 p.m

Are the flights arriving at LHR on time though?


User currently offlinesancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6386 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 7):

It shows an ETA for 1047 27 Aug 2010



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User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 717 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6372 times:

I fly DL a lot and find their schedules are generally a reasonable guide for the time you need to be arriving at the airport, not departing on a flight so I don't see anything too unusual about a 90 minute delay. (Yes, DL may have just gone one step too far this week with me to keep my business)

User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3541 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5871 times:

"there completely done with the bay runway?"

The main portion, yes. JFK has 4 operational runways and can use standard configurations now.

4L will close for a bit as construction of 31L progresses through the intersection, but that isn't until Oct (Slow season)


User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5740 times:

I have taken ATL-LHR and we left 1 1/2 hours late due to strong tailwinds. The Captain explaned that if we left ontime in ATL we would arrive to early at Heathrow and that London would "fine" them for getting there to early. We still did arrive ontime not sure if this could be the JFK issue also just a thought.


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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2894 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5740 times:

Quoting Blueman87 (Reply 4):
there completely done with the bay runway?

The construction schedule was set up to ensure that the main portion of the runway was done by the "busy season". The displaced threshold on the approach end of 31L (inbetween 4L and 4R) and the intersection that takes out 4L still need to be finished. Here is the pic of the new runway with the 3 largest carriers at the airport:


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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1027 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5284 times:

Evening/night is also JFK's busiest time of day with a majority of the international flights arriving and departing at that time with other airlines.


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User currently offlinedldtw1962 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4761 times:

I know that we left late out of DTW for LHR in early August. And because of 100 + tail winds we arrived in LHR 20 min. early. And even then we had to circle for about 30 minutes before we could land so DL wound not get finded as per the
Captian.

Chuck


User currently offlinenyc77k From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4657 times:

I was on DL 1 last Sunday night (Aug 22), pushed back pretty close to on time. Pulled back in, electrical problem with FO panel, had to power down several times. 1.5 hour delay to fix problem during some pretty intense T Storms over the airport. 50 minute wait for a fuel truck, pushed back about 11:30. One hour in line for takeoff, lifted off at 12:30.

Probably not the normal as there was both a mechanical and weather delay.I heard a flight attendant say it was usually a 2 hour trip from gate to takeoff on that flight.

On the topic, I was curious about how DL rotates the 764 on LHR routes from the States, as in where does DL 2 go after its gets into JFK at 8:30 every night?


User currently offlinetristarcrazy From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3243 times:

I connected through JFK a few weeks ago on a FRA-JFK-ATL and to my shocking surprise we arrived 20 min early into JFK and the flight to ATL left ontime. The taxi time out was fairly quick and we arrived into ATL 30 min early. What a shock!!


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User currently offlinebrettdespain From United States of America, joined May 2005, 178 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2739 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 3):
I think the combination of DL and JFK is enough of an explanation.

Wow, it only took the third comment until someone made a snide remark with absolutely no redeeming value. Incredible.



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User currently offlinefanoftristars From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1609 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2448 times:

Quoting brettdespain (Reply 17):
Wow, it only took the third comment until someone made a snide remark with absolutely no redeeming value. Incredible.

I don't think it's snide as much as it's actually reality. JFK is a disaster and any schedule there is a rough guide only. I'm less than 20% on time for flights through or to/from JFK being on time. Should they close it down? Of course not. Do operations at JFK have room for improvement? You'd better believe it. I think DL's new terminal will help some of the problems, but there's still a long way to go. I'll be flying into JFK on Wed... I'll post back how late we end up being...



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User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2646 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2371 times:

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 11):
at Heathrow and that London would "fine" them for getting there to early. We still did arrive ontime not sure if this could be the JFK issue also just a thought.

Yes, if you arrive too early - is it before 5:30 AM - maybe 6:00 AM - there is a fine.



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4520 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2174 times:

Quoting nyc77k (Reply 15):
Probably not the normal as there was both a mechanical and weather delay.I heard a flight attendant say it was usually a 2 hour trip from gate to takeoff on that flight.

Wow. This is totally, completely unacceptable.


User currently offlineflyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 995 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2080 times:

Quoting tristarcrazy (Reply 16):
I connected through JFK a few weeks ago on a FRA-JFK-ATL and to my shocking surprise we arrived 20 min early into JFK and the flight to ATL left ontime. The taxi time out was fairly quick and we arrived into ATL 30 min early. What a shock!!

I have had similar experiences. Have flown through JKF recently with DL SLC-JFK-TXL and then a few weeks later, TXL-JFK-SLC and all flights in both directions left on time or even early. Also flew with AA a month before DFW-JFK-LHR and those flights all flew ontime as well. Perhaps its just good luck, but to me JFK has been delay free.



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User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1965 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2044 times:

Quoting brettdespain (Reply 17):
Wow, it only took the third comment until someone made a snide remark with absolutely no redeeming value. Incredible.

You mean it took three comments before someone stated the truth in simple terms. JFK is a delay-prone airport, and DL has longer delays than average (for domestic flight data) at JFK in 2010. Really there's nothing else to say about it unless we get to specifics. In that case we can look at where DL is losing time, and that's taxi time, which falls back to DL and/or its terminals. Still no redeeming value in that?


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4927 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1894 times:
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Quoting nyc77k (Reply 15):
I was curious about how DL rotates the 764 on LHR routes from the States, as in where does DL 2 go after its gets into JFK at 8:30 every night?

Depends. Some nights, it simply RON at JFK and is used to either LHR or MAD the next evening. Some nights, it turns the same evening and does JFK-DUB (DL164 leaves at 10:40pm). Sometimes when the 764 operating DL001 to LHR has a mechanical, it can also be used to turn back to LHR as DL001.


User currently offlinebrettdespain From United States of America, joined May 2005, 178 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1687 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 22):
Still no redeeming value in that?

Actually, no. The on topic question was/is why is DL 1 late, not why is JFK and DL so screwed up. The problems facing every airline at JFK have been well documented. Nothing really more to say there.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 22):
In that case we can look at where DL is losing time, and that's taxi time, which falls back to DL and/or its terminals

Nope, not even close. Taxi delays in JFK have less to do with the terminals and more to do with the shear volume of airplanes on the taxiways. I flew out of there last week. It took us 7 minutes to push back, start engines and taxi out of the terminal area onto the taxiways. From there it took another 25 minutes until takeoff clearance, and it was a clear, sunny, VFR day! It's not unusual at peak times, especially during the evening rush hour traffic flights to Europe, to see taxi times of 1 hour or more. I had a flight plan out of JFK once that had 90 minutes of taxi time built into it. We were able to get off in less than half of that, but the point is the delay occurred out on the taxiways, not the terminal area. BTW those taxiways are filled with other airlines too, not just Delta plans. Let's be clear, we'll all be glad to see a new DL terminal at JFK, but once an airplane is dispatched from the gate, the majority of the delay time incurred at JFK will be on the taxiways.

Quoting fanoftristars (Reply 18):
JFK is a disaster

Hurricane Katrina was a disaster, JFK is a very busy, congested airport - much like the city it serves.

[Edited 2010-08-28 00:09:15]


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