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Goodbye Mexicana - Operations To End 8/28 At Noon.  
User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 748 posts, RR: 7
Posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 42390 times:

Just announced... Grupo Mexicana is saying all operations of all carriers will end tomorrow 8/28 at noon.



Mexicana suspended its operations indefinitely
The current administration was the company for seven days within a Bankruptcy process and in a state of technical bankruptcy
The financial deterioration and lack of agreement the Mexican group to stop flying
Mexicana Group deeply regrets the inconvenience to its passengers generated
Mexico City, August 27, 2010 .- New Air Group, SA de CV ("Grupo Mexico"), reported this morning that the serious financial deterioration in which the company is unable to reach agreements that give future viability their operations to adequate funding, have forced Mexicana to suspend the operations of Mexicana Airlines and Mexicanalink Mexicanaclick after noon (12:00 pm) tomorrow Saturday, August 28, 2010.

Unfortunately, several factors have combined to make possible the continuity of operations of Grupo Mexico. These include:

The financial deterioration of Mexicana has been aggravated after almost four weeks of flying and incur operating costs without receiving financial flows inherited by the decision to suspend the sale of tickets.
No substantive agreements were reached to give viability and long-lasting companies of the Group.
No crystallized the benefits of the precautionary measures ordered by the Bankruptcy Judge to make available to the company financial funds to continue operation.
The fact that pervades Mexicana has led to multiple vendors, whose services are essential to fly, require payment in advance for the provision of such services.
The measures announced today are painful for every one of the 8,000 members of the family of Grupo Mexicana, the largest aviation company in the country and has been the pride of Mexicans from 89 years ago.

Air New Group at all times will continue to seek ways to give long-term viability of the company and continue providing quality service and our passengers deserve. We hope soon to combine the elements necessary to operate again and appreciate the support of all those who have joined this process.

All passengers who are scheduled to fly with airlines owned by Grupo Mexico, that is, passengers who have a confirmation code and ticket paid, they reported the following:

All airlines owned by Grupo Mexicana (Mexicana de Aviacion and Mexicanaclick Mexicanalink) indefinitely suspended all its operations from the midday (12:00 hours) on Saturday August 28, 2010. The airlines began gradually to reduce operations from 00:00 hours on Saturday 28 August. The flights whose departure itinerary is scheduled after noon on Saturday will be canceled.
Mexicana Group deeply regrets the inconvenience this will mean for their clients. We ask for your understanding, continue to make every effort to minimize inconvenience to our passengers. In the case of passengers who began a stretch of their journey with Grupo Mexico, and have scheduled to fly after the date and time indicated, please visit the websites and telephone numbers at the bottom. Priority is given to unaccompanied minors, people traveling with children under 3 years and people with special needs.
For passengers who have not started your trip, we recommend carefully explore other transportation alternatives.
The application procedure is described in refunds mexicanainforma.com (Tickets purchased in the U.S. and Canada - Tickets purchased in Mexico and elsewhere) as well as in the following Helplines:
in Mexico City

from anywhere in the Republic

for the United States and Canada

"Sonny, did we land? or were we shot down?"
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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 11588 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 42371 times:

Just heard it on BBC, too.
How sad, particularly when its a company with a 89 year old history.

User currently offlinepink77W From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 42334 times:

what kind of aircraft will they b putting on the market? B767 ?

User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 748 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 42321 times:

I find it sad when it has such a rich history, and seemed to be putting a new brighter face forward... they were barely going with oneworld, had a new identity/livery... rebranding of Click and establishment of Link... so sad. I always personally thought they were a step above the "other" well established carrier in Mexico....

"Sonny, did we land? or were we shot down?"
User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8970 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 42275 times:
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The news seems to have caught oneworld off guard , as of a couple of minutes ago there is no info on the main OW website other than an old press release from three weeks ago . The MX homepage simply advises :

Mexicana Airlines (Grupo Mexicana) suspends its operations indefinitely

The current administration received the company seven days
ago under Business Reorganization (Concurso Mercantil) and
technically bankrupt.

Financial deterioration and lack of agreements force Grupo Mexicana to stop flying.

Grupo Mexicana deeply regrets all inconveniences caused to
its passengers.

[Edited 2010-08-27 14:31:22]

Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
User currently offlineMayaviaERJ190 From Mexico, joined Jan 2008, 391 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 42097 times:

"Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 205): (from the Mexicana In Trouble thread)
(Memories) They're a heck of a lot better than the reality"

They sure are. I just still can't cope with being more sad for Mexicana than what I ever was for my last pet dog when she died.

From the DC-6, DC-7, Comet 4c, B727s and on, I was just cut short of flying their A330s.

While KLM suspended operations during WWII, and Qantas and Avianca changed their names, Mexicana was the oldest continuously-operating single-branded and still flying its inaugural route (MEX-TAM) airline to date.

Does anyone have any idea, rumor, or whatever info on the future of the Mexicana's flight museum at MexicanaMRO? If so please tweet me @HolaMexicana so that we can support its preservation any way possible.


My other plane is an A380.
User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8970 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 42021 times:
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Quoting MayaviaERJ190 (Reply 5):
While KLM suspended operations during WWII

One part of KLM , their domestic ops in what was then the Dutch East Indies , continued to operate throughout the war , so technically they have been continuously operating ( but I know what you mean )

Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 480 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 42015 times:

Wow, just heard this....quite amazing. I thought the controlling majority group would somehow restructure. With their recent aircraft acquisitions and expanded long haul services coupled with their new livery it seemed that the new Mexicana had a strong backing regardless of their current economic state.

User currently offlineMayaviaERJ190 From Mexico, joined Jan 2008, 391 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 42015 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 4):
The news seems to have caught oneworld off guard

Not just 1w, but American Express too as I just got my AmericanExpressGold-MexicanaGO card application in the mail today.... What the...

My other plane is an A380.
User currently offlineorbis From Mexico, joined Dec 2003, 244 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 41932 times:

Quoting MayaviaERJ190 (Reply 200):
And how about our memories and feelings?

Those are very alive and well kept.

For me, the good memories and feelings regarding Mexicana ended in 2006. Afterwards, realizing (as a very frequent flyer), what mexicana was turning into, I burned all my FF miles and gave all my business to the "other airline". (which btw is rapidly following MX steps regarding customer service)


we should live our lives as if we were really alive!!! H.M.
User currently offlineGlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 41819 times:

Sad day indeed. This is up there with the end of PA, TW (AA merger), EA, and others (WA to DL, OZ to TW, PI to US, etc.).

I wish all of the employees the best in their post MX life.

AM, CO, and AA will benefit from this.

User currently offlineNetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 41750 times:

I was hoping they'd get to celebrate their 90th birthday next June..... sad, just sad

Got a feeling Mexicana de Aviacion meant as much to Mexicans as PANAM meant to Americans

User currently offlinemrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 41599 times:

Wow, that's awful. Makes me wish Avolar had been able to stick it out just a few more years.

Best of luck to all employees and customers of this great Lindbergh project. Mexicana, you will be missed.

"The strength of the turbulence is directly proportional to the temperature of your coffee." -- Gunter's 2nd Law of Air
User currently offlineGlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 41553 times:

We've seen "suspending operations" in the US. Have any of them come back (except Spirit)?

User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 19415 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 41558 times:

I wonder if Slim is kicking himself right now....

E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 2660 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 41313 times:

Sad day when such a historic airline meets its end. I saw my first MX plane in person just 10 days ago, and I figured it might be the last. Looks like it was. Shoot, I was still seeing MX commercials on TV earlier this year. I wish the best to the employees.

User currently offlineN809FR From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 186 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 41244 times:

Very sad to hear this, I always loved seeing their planes sitting in DEN! I was flying to STL once and captain for the MX 757 several gates down was talking to me for 20 minutes prior to having to go to work, what a great airline and a sad ending.

User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5778 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 41201 times:

What a sad day indeed...I loved Mexicana, especially in their DC-10 days! What a blow....

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User currently offlineAviacsa737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 41130 times:

So does this mean Liquidation?     I cant believe the Mexican government is not going to step in and Bailout one of the largest airlines in MExico, do they hate labor that much? Maybe i should encourage my family to vote PRD or PT if this government is going to allow Mexicana to go under and let 8,000 people lose their jobs.   They owned them once before, they can do so again, for the good of the workers.

User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 41077 times:

Is this it? The final nail in the coffin? Damn I hope not.   

At any rate watching the news while here in Mexico I don't feel sorry for the flight attendants and pilots (of which I actually know a few). They were idiotically reluctant to negotiate with the new owners. I guess they think its smarter to murder your own employer and then not have a job, than to still have a job (furloughs notwithstanding) but with a paycut  banghead . The nasty Mexican labor laws don't make things any easier either.

[Edited 2010-08-27 15:35:22]

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5666 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 41013 times:

I wonder if FL will be interested in Click's 717's? Quite a big number to take all at once though.

A real sad day for aviation. Farewell MX (for now?)

User currently offlineggarrett From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 40843 times:

Huge impact here in the states as well. Mexicana is one of our (Swissport USA) most important customers at ORD. The suspension of 10 flights a day here will require us to now look at our manpower needs carefully, and hopefully move some of our folks around so they can keep their jobs.
Such a shame. So many good, knowledgable and dedicated people that will be affected. I've worked Mexicana flights here at ORD in some form or another since 1994. Each time a carrier stops service, the noose around our industries necks gets a little tighter and tighter. This airport will be missing one of it's "usual" faces without their livery colors cruising around. It will seem weird. =(

"I ain't going if it's not Boeing" ... even though my Grandfather did work for McDonald Douglas.
User currently offlineorbis From Mexico, joined Dec 2003, 244 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 40777 times:

Quoting Aviacsa737 (Reply 18):
So does this mean Liquidation? I cant believe the Mexican government is not going to step in and Bailout one of the largest airlines in MExico, do they hate labor that much? Maybe i should encourage my family to vote PRD or PT if this government is going to allow Mexicana to go under and let 8,000 people lose their jobs. They owned them once before, they can do so again, for the good of the workers.

If for government you mean our beloved and democratly elected leaders, those who wisely administrate our country wealth and respect the people wish , then I vote they do that for MX and for Aviacsa, Aerocalifornia and Avolar, Alma, et al.


we should live our lives as if we were really alive!!! H.M.
User currently offlineAviacsa737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 40754 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 19):
I don't feel sorry for the flight attendants and pilots

I do. They dont make 300,000+ and have huge golden parachutes even if the company liquidates, like management probably does.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 19):
They were idiotically reluctant to negotiate with the new owners

Same thing could be said about management. They idiotically refused to take paycuts on their own and tried to force labor to take it up the rear so they can keep huge salaries. No sympathy for management or the owners thats for sure. If an airline is bankrupt even the new owners should realize its not going to sit well the joe, the worker has to take pay cuts and the owner/management is still entitled to huge income.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 19):
I guess its smarter to murder your employer and then not have a job, than to still have a job (furloughs notwithstanding) but with a paycut

I would do this if a situation like this occured to me. Id sleep better knowing that even though i had no job, the cretins at management are no longer makeing anything either, not to mention the satisfaction of knowing you werent being taken advantage of. Sucks no having a job, but "murdering" your greedy capitalist employer who wont share in the pain, is much better IMO, than being miserable an working knowing that while you had to take a pay cut, management and the owners still make bags full of money.

User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5778 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 40696 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 20):
I wonder if FL will be interested in Click's 717's? Quite a big number to take all at once though

How many are there?

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25 Tomassjc : Perhaps the name will return, but MX as we know it, is gone. I think it will be impossible to get the concessions needed from the Pilots and Flight A
26 Viscount724 : Ironically, MX was a Pan Am subsidiary for many years starting in the late 1920s. Pan Am still had a minority stake in MX until the 1970s or so.
27 awacsooner : Really? So you'd advocate governments stepping in and sponsoring companies that couldn't manage themselves properly? This is a free enterprise market
28 captaink : Well said. This is truly the end of a legacy. Lets hope something is done, and at least a reincarnated version of MX comes around.
29 MaverickM11 : It would be truly refreshing to see a government just let a carrier RIP, and let its many capable competitors succeed.
30 Post contains images trintocan : The end of an era is upon us. Mexicana de Aviacion - an icon in world aviation, loads of history and heritage now coming to an end. It is very sad ind
31 laxboeingman : I heard that operations are ending at mid-night tonight. Best of luck to all of the employees.
32 Post contains images Aviacsa737 : No, i advocate governments stepping in and making sure these people keep their jobs. They shouldn't have to pay for managements incompetence or the i
33 balkantodelta : But it says they will come back after they restructure ? Why the goodbyes already ?
34 Post contains images Fly2HMO : So, you rather jump of a cliff, with a string attached to upper management to drag them down with you. Or put yet another way: shoot yourself in the
35 MaverickM11 : Those 5 carriers will keep AM in check; don't you worry. And MX' international network isn't much to speak of outside of its scattered North American
36 Post contains images Aviacsa737 : Yes i would. Thas my choice and opinion. Do i think thats what all the MX employees wanted? No. But im sure some did. My choice. Comes from geting sc
37 FWAERJ : You hit the nail on the head in both areas. MX didn't deserve to die. But there were too many things not in its favor, most notably México being dow
38 sr117 : Which in this case would mean us taxpayers footing the bill. Management played a huge part in this bankruptcy, however the unions are not blameless i
39 Post contains images Aviacsa737 : All im going to say on this particular subject, is that, is it really so bad that some of your tax pesos go to helping some one else keep their job?
40 sr117 : "Socialist" Europe let Sabena go under... Please allow me to remind you that bad decisions and policy are not a monopoly of capitalism. Exactly, same
41 sr117 : If it meant being part of a definite solution, of course. But lets be serious here, MX was not profitable and it hasn't been for a long time. It's mu
42 msp747 : I thought they've been saying all along that Click was not affected by troubles of Mexicana and has continued to operate as normal. My guess is that
43 mrskyguy : It may not be that simple.. perhaps the free-and-clear assets of Click will be used to pay down Mexicana's enormous debts.
44 Post contains links C010T3 : Well, RG's demise took years. MX's took no longer than a month. Do you know that RG entered chapter 7 only last week? Read about it: http://oglobo.gl
45 kiwiandrew : Sorry , but it looks as though Click will also be "suspending" ops .
46 WesternA318 : Are they ever?
47 orbis : Really, does anyone knows that for sure??? Not so long ago, someone around here categorically claimed that MX was in a much better financial shape th
48 PPVRA : Yes, it would be a HORRIBLE idea to prop up something that is unsustainable. It's a pain in the short term, but the best solution long term. And it i
49 orbis : But politics and "principles" that give origin to such bad decisions are........
50 sr117 : Either way, with MX out of the way they will have some breathing room. If they can't make it now without MX, they probably weren't going to make it a
51 737-990 : Could this be like AeroMexico in 1988? Back then AM had a huge blotted staff, it shut down, declared bankruptcy was sold and reopened. It only rehired
52 LipeGIG : Sad but expected due to the fact that in aviation nowadays, with internet, bad news spread so quick that become a huge barrier for a potential recover
53 Aviacsa737 : Yeah, in MOST cases they are Blameless.. Demanding that people who get ridiculous sums of money for doing nothing give up some of it to the people wh
54 Post contains images sr117 : One could probably fill many many posts of bad politics and principles from every side of the spectrum ! One of the worst cultural and economic horro
55 Post contains images Aviacsa737 : Severely reduced pay. "Severely reduced pay for every one!" I dont understand this obsesion with "the company" who benefits from a stonger company? T
56 CX flyboy : I believe that the final nail in the coffin was to be featured in the Airliner World article several months ago. That magazine seems to be the kiss of
57 smoot4208 : While I don't think the government should bail MX out (because MX needs a new business strategy not just someone throwing money towards a losing cause
58 KLAM : I bet Mr. Azcarraga is now riding his fancy car home, to take a relaxing shower, and then sleeping like a baby, while Pilots and Cabin Crews are on th
59 THEGRINCH : That could very well be the case, never say never in Mexico. Much like AeroNaves de Mexico died and Aerovias de Mexico now exists something similar c
60 klkla : I flew Mexicana LAX-PVR four times in the last year and their service standards had really improved since Posada took over. This is sad. I remember my
61 flymd : Wow! Only flew Mexicana once as a child heading to Acapulco for vacation. There is a huge Mexican population in and around Chicagoland and that will d
62 einsteinboricua : Wow...I saw this on my Facebook page and couldn't believe it. I've never flown Mexicana nor do I recall seeing a Mexicana jet in SJU, but like it was
63 DesertAir : I am happy to have flown Mexicana during the last 12 months...SMF-GDL and LAX-BJX. It seems like the new financial owners might no have any other opti
64 awacsooner : You expressed your opinion...so here's mine bud: You are sadly mistaken. The demise of Mexicana will not lead to mass crime, suicide and all the othe
65 avionetuss : Man... This is the worst thing I've heard since my brother's death. I love MXA, I'm gonna miss them so much... Bye bye MX!!
66 United_fan : Wow! That really is a shocker. I feel so bad for MX employees.
67 toproy : Mother Russia died a long time ago, move on! Greedy capitalist employer? Who ended up injecting money from their hotel operations to the best paid em
68 toproy : KLAM, I like your thought process, without trying to sound like I am making fun of you, it is very romantic, but at the same time unrealistic. I was
70 1337Delta764 : I wonder if DL will pick up Mexicana's 763ERs, or if US will pick up their A332s. FYI, MX's 763ERs were originally with Gulf Air, and DL operates a fe
71 EA CO AS : Hogwash. Employees benefit by having more opportunities to move up within the company as it grows and expands, not to mention the fact that they'd ha
72 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Everything I've googled under news and 'Mexicana click' states that Click will shut down with the main airline. Reading through FL's quarterly report
73 b707forever : I'm going to avoid the left/right, capitalism/socialism market unfolding argument to remember Mexicana from my days working at LAX for AA and seeing t
74 ltbewr : Like many 'legacy' airlines, labor and retired employee costs, competition, greater freedom of access to the home country were the long term reasons f
75 skyone : Sad to see MX go under! But I also understand that if a company doesn´t make sense financially because it can´t compete with its cost structure and
76 Post contains images Aviacsa737 : Why not? Thats the same principle Management, the investors and the owners operate in. Only they want to do it, WANT to do it at the cost of the empl
77 rikkus67 : Shades of Braniff and Pan Am?
78 skyone : think whatever you want. If MX comes back, it wont be with ASPA and ASSA ultra highly paid contracts. That is a bye bye high salaries for Crews!!! Be
79 fly727 : The initial media attention on Mexicana's situation was caught several weeks by the Management disclosing false and diverted statements, specifically
80 F9Animal : Very well said fly! The employees of any airline that has failed wanted nothing more than to keep their jobs. Labor is what keeps an airline afloat.
81 laca773 : I'm hoping we'll see MX come back like SR (Swiss Air) did to become LX (Swiss International). What is the true outlook right now upon closure of some
82 klm685 : Well It's definately a very very very sad day for aviation. My grandfather was a pilot for Mexicana for most of his life and I grew up (even though he
83 Post contains images ChopChop767 : Really sad I agree with: ThePinnacleKid "they were barely going with oneworld, had a new identity/livery... rebranding of Click and establishment of L
84 DELTA7478 : How about AM, will they pick up their 767's and 717's??
85 OA412 : Shame on those of you turning turning this topic into a petty management vs rank-and-file war of words. This is a sad day in aviation history. One of
86 olli : They weren't kicked out of Star Allinace, they decided to leave. You obviously had bad luck, because Mexicana standars were always good. Of course, l
87 AR385 : Interjet has published a quarter page announcement on most Monterrey newspapers this morning, saying that they are offering a special fare to "everyon
88 PPVRA : It's not unusual in these circumstances. Of course, interjet is also trying to win over some customers.
89 fly727 : Though there seemed to be interest in foreign investors in Mexicana, Mexico's laws do not allow more than a certain share on the business, excluding
90 September11 : I was disappointed with Mexicana's final aircraft livery. Mexicana had a rich history. What happened!!?? Kinda shocking but I am moving on.
91 usflyer msp : Well, actually technically they were kicked out of Star Alliance but that was by MX's design. MX wanted to leave but if they had left by choice they
92 Post contains images Atlwest1 : In regards to the 717's they should if it comes to it find good homes. Id imagine FL would be in the mix to get them but there might be others who wou
93 CF-CPI : The glory days would have to be the regional tails of the early 90s (if you ask me), though the whole Golden Aztec theme was a unique identifier of t
94 laca773 : Perhaps DL might wants some of these birds since they will have a marked loss of a/c when the last of the D9S are gone. This will help make up a loss
95 eugdog : Would this be the biggest airline collapse since Eastern? It should serve as a warning to airline unions around the world that the business model for
96 RCS763AV : Crap. Another sad story of a mismanaged company with a bunch of greedy managers and employees who prefer to see it sink and take a job at those who ta
97 Post contains images F9Animal : Which makes them worth millions in salary? I can't accept any sympathy for a CEO being gone from family, disgruntled customers, and disgruntled emplo
98 KrisYYZ : My friend was suppose to fly with them to MID next Saturday. I know it sounds like a pipe-dream but is there any chance of Mexicana restoring some sor
99 PPVRA : No, it's the owners of the company who decide they are worth millions. Don't forget that those millions is money that won't be paid out to investors,
100 MaverickM11 : I keep forgetting you're the one that wants all employees to be paid like kings, 5 start service in Y, management paid zero if not kicked out on the
101 Atlwest1 : Oh yeah a HAPPY day in aviation. Sure all the thousands of people who will lose there jobs and families who will have to worry and wonder where the n
102 Viscount724 : Swissair was bigger than MX. Possibly Sabena also but I'm not sure.
103 MaverickM11 : This has happened before and it will happen again. Everyone bemoaned the death of VARIG and Aeroperu, but now both nations have much stronger carrier
104 MaverickM11 : Two more carriers whose demise spawned stronger, more profitable carriers. LX is now one of the star carriers in the LH portfolio that even outshines
105 KLAM : I understand it is romantic, and unreal. In any case, the fact that greediness and business selfishness are a reality doesn't make it less sad or wor
106 American 767 : TWA in 2001. TWA got bought by AA but they were going out of business anyway. After Eastern, Pan Am shut down also. Pan Am was resurrected in 1996 bu
107 balkantodelta : Well, I just flew them a few days ago AND THEY GAVE ME A HAND WRITTEN BOARDING PASS, thats when i knew this is it. Also, I should have kept the inflig
108 Atlwest1 : Tam doesnt have half the reach that Varig did. Yes the domestic network is strong but they havent even really picked up what Varig had.
109 MaverickM11 : Some of the (sillier) destinations may not be served by JJ metal, but the international capacity is much larger than RG toward the end. It wouldn't s
110 dldtw1962 : What a shame. Another Old airline gone. Well, I hope AeroMexico han handle the over flow. Their planes will be full and watch the prices go up even hi
111 SurfandSnow : RG at its peak was flying to LAX and then on to Asia (NRT and HKG IIRC). That was on top of all the flying to Europe and the Americas. TAM doesn't ev
112 GlobalCabotage : Is it true that UA and AA are adding flights to DFW, LAX, and ORD to fill the void?
113 olli : So far only UA will fly daily LAX-MEX from October. AS is adding a second daily LAX-MEX flight. In the coming days we will hear new routes and frequen
114 MaverickM11 : Like I said, some of the sillier flights like GRU-JNB-BKK-HKG, or GRU-LIM-LAX-NRT haven't been reproduced but with good reason. I'll have to check bu
115 F9Animal : Is there anything left flying for Mexicana? Also, anybody have any pictures of the hub, and what they are doing with the aircraft?
116 rj777 : According to CNN, the owners are hopeful of being able to resume ops. So this is a suspension of service, not an actual shutdown.
117 LH498 : Aeromexico, Volaris and Interjet are offering special one-way fares to passengers holding a Mexicana ticket subject to space. They begin at MX$1199 (
118 chrisair : Didn't Eastern say the same thing?
119 Post contains links F9Animal : No they did not. Sadly, they were forced to liquidate. Here is an interesting article released the day of the shutdown. http://www.nytimes.com/1991/0
120 orbis : I hope they were allowed and I would´ve love to hear the actual radio transmition....
121 Post contains links LH498 : After listening to the recording again, yes indeed they performed a fly-by over MEX. A sad historic photo opportunity, hopefully someone had the chan
122 LipeGIG : Yes they have now more capacity than RG ever had. 25 widebodies and some A320 used for South American flights Sad to say, but after an airline ground
123 klm685 : Well that has already started. The main problem will be with flights to the US. Let's not forget Mexico is FAA Category II and that the US was MX str
124 awacsooner : Count me on the list of doubters. I'll believe it when the wheels leave the runway.
125 mrskyguy : Survival of the fittest, bud. It serves nobody any good to keep a dying company alive especially if it has no hope of reaching profitability in the n
126 skyguyB727 : I think everyone knew this day was coming the moment MX stopped selling tickets. A business can't operate for long when it suspends all sales of its p
127 Revelation : For every Sabena there were the Alitalias and Olympics allowed to become the walking dead...
128 Post contains images lightsaber : I do not know about the rules of FAA cat2. Does anyone have a good link? I'm asking as I do not fully understand the restrictions on the Mexican airl
129 LTU932 : Too bad about MX. My only flight to Mexico was on MX 378 and it was also my first flight on an Airbus (an A318 to be precise). Apart from the false in
130 Post contains images MattRB : Got a few pics of XA-MXI parked here at YYZ last night (sorry for the blur):
131 LipeGIG : Thanks for sharing! The airlines from the United States can do it. We will see, if become possible, additional services being launched, specially fro
132 einsteinboricua : Question: if an airline suspends operations indefinitely, would it still be a member of an airline alliance or would they suspend their membership? Do
133 san747 : I took my girlfriend to Imperial Hill at LAX for the first time, and as it got dark and we drove off, we passed an MX A319 in the current colors parke
134 adriaticus : That's correct, Carlos, although Mexicana had transferred MEX>TAM to its subsidiary Click a couple of years ago. A bunch of us enthusiasts went ap
135 F9Animal : Amen to that statement! I am very very hopeful that they can get airborne again very soon. Question for our buddies in MEX!!! Any pics of the fleets
136 navega : Thanks for your information here Adriaticus, I am so tired of Aeromexico employees giving false one sided information that it is refreshing to read y
137 enilria : I would expect one of the LCCs to buy the name.
138 AR385 : The media reported today that about 37,500 passengers were stranded just yesterday all over the MX system, and that by next week that number could be
139 Post contains images Fly2HMO : She seems more interested in racketeering and her 5 minutes of fame than the welfare of her fellow F/As. Such a drama queen too. (But what woman isn'
140 AR385 : At least ASPA had the intelligence to realize that no Lizette Clavel type behavior, emulated on Alejandra Barrales guidelines, of course, would get th
141 PlunaCRJ : I am very saddened to see MX go. I can´t believe they are not flying any more, I have so many memories of them. True, but you are forgetting one big
142 RayChuang : I'll say that AeroMexico and Mexicana will merge within the next 2-3 months to create a new, stronger carrier. Don't be surprised that the new carrier
143 ghost77 : I said I would retire from A.net Civil Av forum if MX go. It's gone for now and I will keep my promise until they (hopefully) restart operations. It'
144 UALORD : Since MX suspension could VX take advantage and take over some west coast-mexico routes mexicana has left? and also would it free up slots and gate sp
145 steeler83 : If that is the case, then this could be a sad, yet good lesson to unions. This is a good example of why unions can be a very bad thing for a company.
146 laca773 : Since UA-CO are going to merge, I could see CO picking up some of these routes dropped by MX (where it's allowed) since CO is the stronger one by far
147 GlobalCabotage : VX can start ORD tomorrow if they want. VX just doesn't want to pay for T5 rates.
148 TOLtommy : Why would they need to merge now? AM can buy the pieces from the company that purchased MX in bankruptcy. Since the MX unions went for all or nothing
149 Mexicana757 : They can start the routes, but does VX have the airplanes to do it? It would free up slots, the gate space freed up would be at terminal 5, the termi
150 EddieDude : Doubt it. He's way too busy with other more meaningful deals at the moment. If any, he must be a little sad like all of us, but I am sure he is happy
151 AR385 : Oh comme on Ghost, your opinions here are priceless. Don´t sadden this forum by you too leaving!
152 MaverickM11 : How 'bout we nominate someone to leave in your place? How do other carriers get slots at MEX? How do they apply for them? I don't think they're for s
153 Mexicana757 : I dont think they are for sale. Not that I have read about it anywhere. I think carriers have to apply for slots. When both Aviacsa, AeroCalifornia w
154 AM001 : Speaking of slots and route authority... AFAIK the landing rights and routes belong to the "Compañía Mexicana de Aviación, S.A."... which, by all l
155 adriaticus : No. The landing rights and authority belong to the Mexican state; they are just temporally assigned to CMA for as long as it exists and fulfills all
156 MayaviaERJ190 : Pinky Ric, do babation, uei. You are THE Mexicana insider here. I know I don't post a lot, but I read you, always. Yes, no one's happy with CMA's rea
157 AR385 : I really don´t understand your post. Ricardo for years has been an invaluable figure here. Logical, insightful posts that actually explain things an
158 laca773 : I too want Ghost77 to stay! You're a great and intelligent man. I've learned many things from you over the last several years and always look forward
159 skyone : No way you are leaving us, you are so well regarded in this forum!!! And also, we need all the feedback and insider knowledge you give to this forum.
160 ghost77 : Guys, I'm speechless to the whole situation. I see everyday it's getting worse. I feel bad for the Category II of my country. I feel bad and know AM w
161 fly727 : AM's incapability to cover for all or most of MX's operations is due to lack of frames and crews. Though as far as I know, they started and will keep
162 ghost77 : That's my point! AM needs a lot of capacity and crews. Now, lets play the the single flag carrier game here. If everyone here understood the situatio
163 MaverickM11 : Oy. I was joking that we nominate someone--no one in particular--else to go instead of ghost77. My bad if I didn't get the right emoticon in there. P
164 Post contains links and images PHLBOS : 25, all of them former-YX birds. IIRC, FL took the majority the former-TW birds (TW had 30 of them) in a very short period after AA returned them; so
165 ghost77 : 2060nm vs 2300 from the E190, ok. But you have 18500lb vs 21000lb thrust on the 717. 717 is perfect for hot and high Mexico. g77
166 EddieDude : I thought they were going to start MEX-CTM and Interjet ended up grabbing that one. I may be wrong, and if I am, correct me please, but doesn't AM al
167 GlobalCabotage : No VX at T5 in ORD. CO/UA gave WN slot leases at EWR, but did not offer anything up at ORD. If CO/UA offered up a couple of gates at ORD, VX and B6 wo
168 AR385 : No. I sincerely apologize for taking it the wrong way. It was more a matter of me being overly-sensitivie and mad at the whole situation, so I overre
169 laca773 : I agree with you, Eddie. The only thing is, it will take sometime to get 739ERs into the fleet and with there being many 75s in storage, it will be a
170 EddieDude : True. I don't want to sound pessimistic, but I don't think AM is even considering this alternative. Do you think it would be possible to pick up some
171 skyone : I think AM is doing quite the correct thing with its fleet. They learned the hard way and made huge mistakes with the 737-700 and ERJ 145 s. Now they
172 mayaviaerj190 : Ghost, nice to read you here. You almost got the whole anutters union go get you back here. ¿Ya ves? If you're doing the accounting, then take in cou
173 BOACCunard : Pan Am ... for decades the brand in this industry. Not to mention VARIG, Swissair....
174 Post contains links skyone : What a shocker, now Aeromexico wants to negotiate contracts with ASPA and ASSA to bring slaries down in order for them not to go under like Mexicana.
175 toproy : It is asking for an access code.
176 Post contains links toproy : Excellent article, sorry it is in Spanish. http://www.actualidadesmexico.com.mx...do-o-estrategia-para-desparecerla/
177 MaverickM11 : Seems like the government for the most part is against rescuing MX outright; is that a fair conclusion?
178 toproy : Yes, it is interesting because the nation union leader with Mexicana said that it was utterly false that the pilots were making all that money but no
179 toproy : Well so ASSA (the union for the flight attendants) is due to present a new collective contract offer to Tenerdora K (the new owner of Mexicana). They
180 EddieDude : Didn't Tenedora K say that they were giving up on MX?
181 Post contains links toproy : "Flightglobal reported on 27 August - only a few hours before Grupo Mexicana announced it would suspend all operations from 28 August - that Mexicana
182 EddieDude : Sadly I don't. Thanks for the link to the article. I wonder if this proposal will actually be submitted to Tenedora K. It would appear by the way thi
183 OP3000 : From an outsider's view Tenedora K seemed even more like opportunists who didn't have much to lose and a lot potentially to gain. But just as clueles
184 toproy : Grupo Omega the other half of Tenedora K controls some terminals at some airports and has a bunch of duty free shops called Dufree. That is about as
185 OP3000 : I wonder if now that MX seems out of the picture if that will lead WN to speed up its USA-Mexico plans. It would be the right time, as there's now eno
186 AR385 : WIth all due respect either you read the article wrong, or the article itself is wrong. Banorte is a commercial bank, just like Banamex or Bancomer.
187 multimark : Where are the A-Net images of the idled Mexicana fleet? I thought someone would've posted by now.
188 navega : Someone please post a picture of Mexicana aircraft sitting in MEX.[Edited 2010-09-05 18:32:16]
189 Post contains links mexicana757 : Here is a link to the picture posted during the week in the Mexican aviaition thread. http://homepage.mac.com/helipilot/PPRUNETWO/MexicanaFB.jpg
190 Post contains links and images mrskyguy : WOW. Echoes of Braniff @ Dallas Ft-Worth:
191 adriaticus : Interesting to see the A330s and B767s are still there... Weren't the A330s supposed to be returned to the lessors by the third week of August? ___Ad
192 WALmsp : Is there a reason that the Policia Federal Preventiva aircraft are sitting there with the Mexicana planes? Is/was the PFP part of Mexicana?
193 OP3000 : Those 727s used to be MX planes, but were sold to the PFP years ago. IIRC they use that part of the tarmac at MEX when idle and receive maintenance f
194 Post contains images F9Animal : Oh my.... That just breaks the old ticker...
195 goldenstate : In addition to the aircraft pictured outside the maintenance base, I saw at least another 8 to 12 A319/A320 aircraft on the RON pad directly across th
196 Post contains images mexicana757 : Yes, from what I read too, the A332s were suppose to be making their way back to the lessor and then on their way to Air Transat. I know how you feel
197 mrskyguy : Who would have thought the Mexicana fleet would join the ex-Avolar fleet, same fate?
198 skyone : Me too, I would love to see them increse their salaries to the sky thinking that is not the problem. Then going outside and publishing higher fares t
199 mrskyguy : Airlines in the past have spun off profitable divsions in BK, especially large technical operations.. Aloha Techops, Avios, and Ansett come to mind. W
200 AR385 : I agree with you. I was making a point to the poster from reply 178, but to be honest, BANORTE has never been very distinguished by its Corporate Ban
201 skyone : You seem to know a lot about Mexican Corporate Banking. I completely agree with you. Sad to hear both banks might be loosing their loans. But it scar
202 Post contains links skyone : Well, looks like the rental companies will be able to take their airplanes from MX this week. This article states that the United States government an
203 OzGlobal : Perhaps a newer, leaner and more dynamic Mexican carrier will rise. As for 'benefitting' from this, what a shame the US airlines are not similarly su
204 AR385 : if you read the thread on "Why did VASP died" it is mentioned that the way the aircraft were returned to the lessors by VASP in some way damaged Braz
205 AR385 : There seems there will be no phoenix from MX´s ashes. What a sad, sad, thing.
206 Fyano773 : MX fleet is being disbanded. Yesterday 6 319 left the fleet for a total of 16 planes seized or repossed by owners and lessors: A319-112 XA-MXG seized
207 skyone : take the A318, not the A319s !!! LOL If MX is to restart operations, the A318 better not be the plane to do it with! I never understood why they aske
208 cslusarc : I hope these abandoned A318s get leased by BA and deployed on Cityflyer routes between LCY and EDI/GLA
209 mrskyguy : Optimism is good, but Mexicana is toast.
210 Atlwest1 : Braniff Eastern PanAm ATA and a host of others with FAR larger scope and size have been allowed to failed and not propped up. Sometimes its the luck
211 skyone : I totally agree with you. But many friends in Mexico still think there is a chance of Mexicana´s airplanes returning to the sky in the near future.
212 viasa : A320-231 N347TM returned to MAF 28aug10 now in MZJ Than I ad three more planes to the list: A319-112 N618MX returned to lessor 7sep10, in DHN A319-11
213 navega : Sorry to dissapoint you MRSKYGUY, but Mexicana will be back in November. Please read todays articles in Aviation Daily.. Looks like there is now ligh
214 mrskyguy : Who's disappointed? If that happens, that'd be spectacular.. but I'll believe it when I see it, bud. Many years spent in this industry has left me le
215 kiwiandrew : So what is happening with Oneworld ? It is more than 2 weeks since MX ceased all operations , there is no sign at this stage of them coming back and y
216 Post contains links EddieDude : http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...tructuring%20Plan%20Trims%20Routes So, according to the article, MX would drop all mainline domestic service an
217 kiwiandrew : Thanks for that , is MEX slot controlled at all ? I notice that a lot of carriers are picking up services formerly operated by MX and affiliates , I
218 LAXintl : And one wonders how much of its US routes would be profitable without a comprehensive domestic network to connect to? Virtually every time I fly, a g
219 navega : I believe the article posted by EddieDude refers to the actual Mexicana domestic flights which they did fly but does not refer to the flights by Clic
220 LJ : The article does refer to Click and Link. It mentions that banruptcy plans put forward for these two divisions "do not intend any immediate return to
221 JAL : Why doesn't BA make a run for Mexicana?
222 Mexicana757 : The reason why BA or other foreign investors haven't made a bid for MX is because there are restrictions to how much can be own/controlled by foreign
223 MillwallSean : The other reason is that Mexicana as a brand is dead. Brands don't come back that easily from the dead and Mexicana will struggle alot even if it gets
224 JAL : Any updates on the status of Mexicana or it's membership in OneWorld?
225 United_fan : Any idea what the plan is for their fleet? Stored,awaiting the future I imagine.
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