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Fight Attendants' Time Before Boarding A New Fligh  
User currently offlinePcancelli From Italy, joined May 2000, 96 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

I have always wondered how much free time flght attendants get when they travel to remote destinations...
Do you have a clue, for instance, how long they stop at destination after a 10-15 hour flight?
And what happens if the Airline onfly flies that destination once a week.

Years ago I flew SR from Milan to Beijing via Zurich and after at least 3 days I met my flight attendants along the streets...
It must be fascinating, for a while, to get to see that much, especially if you get a 3-4 days break.

Recently I met a guy that flies Intercontinental destination for Alitalia...he told me that usually (since AZ doesn't have a very comprehensive network, and most flights are not daily) they stop 4-5 days.

Another girl I met used to work for Virgin in London..she would stop for up to week when fying to the Caribbean...that would be great.

Do you have stories?

Thank you
Paolo

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User currently offlineSwiss-airplane From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 591 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1514 times:

Hi I have some infos. Last year I flow from Zürich to Kuala Lumpur with Malaysian Airlines and the crew told me that they had a one week stay in Zürich this is very nice. But the crew told me also that it depends sometimes in Zürich, sometimes they have 3 or also only 4 days stay. A friend of mine who was Flight Attendant for Swissair told me that she had twice a 5 days stay in Hong Kong but once with a short flight from Hong Kong to Manila. But Swissair's flight Attendant who are flying to the East Coast of the USA have only a 24 hours stay there. When I flow from Dallas to Zürich this april with American Airlines the Flight Attendants told me that she has also only 24 hours stay in Zürich. The same thing told me a Northwest Airlines crew member when I asked her on my flight from Minneapolis to Amsterdam. She said me that Northwest Crew have mostly only a 24 hours stay in Amsterdam.
Greetings
Mike


User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1491 times:

On 5-10 hour flights AirNZ Flight attendants get to stay in the country they land in for 3 days.
If the flight is 11-15 hours they stay in that country for 1 week. I was told this by One of my Friends who work for AirNZ as a FA!!
They get 1000 dollars to spend at the destination! They also get allowances for Meals and Laundry. They get a Hotel room aswell!

If the flight is between 2.30-4 hours, then they stay there for 11 hours, and then have to fly back!

Cheers
mikey


User currently offlineGive it a GO From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1479 times:

If an airline flies into a destination once a week only - which is rare, but does happen, then eiter a) The entire crew will position back on another carriers flight, or, b) They take the week off at destination, with the previous weeks crew flying the aircraft back straight away. Then in a weeks time when another aircraft lands, that crew fly it back, and the inbound crew get a week off etc...

It varies greatly. But usually there won't be a lay over on shorthaul. At Go, there are are some 'split shifts' - they don't really qualify for a stop over because the crew fly the late night flight inbound, park the aircraft, then go to a hotel for minimum rest and 5 units Smile, then fly the (very) early morning flight back!


User currently offlinePcancelli From Italy, joined May 2000, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1471 times:

When I flew back from Chicago to Milan in April the attendants told me thay would get only 24 hours in Milan and that usually they fly on the Chicago-Itaky (MXP and FCO) twice a week....

How come there is such a difference between US carriers and the others?
ciao
Paolo


User currently offlinePcancelli From Italy, joined May 2000, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1467 times:

When I flew back from Chicago to Milan in April the attendants told me thay would get only 24 hours in Milan and that usually they fly on the Chicago-Itaky (MXP and FCO) twice a week....

How come there is such a difference between US carriers and the others?
ciao
Paolo


User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1470 times:

Because US cARRIERS ARE stally!!
J/k!!!

Cheers
mikey


User currently offlinePcancelli From Italy, joined May 2000, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

One more..
I flew to Santo Domingo with Lauda Air in MArch and thee attendants stayed in our hotel for a couple of days...not bad either


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1446 times:

It really depends on the route and the regularity of it. For example my girlfriend works Houston > Paris and she flies once a week, arriving for example on a Monday morning in Paris and spends the day and night in Paris and flies home on the Tuesday morning. Then has the rest the of the week off.... oh and some people have real jobs

Jer


User currently offline767-322ETOPS From United States of America, joined May 2001, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1436 times:

Do they get to stay in decent hotels? I notice a lot of foreign flight crews stay at the Penninsula hotel here in NYC - not a fleabag, but not top of the line either.

Are layover conditions/accomodations part of the collective bargaining process?


User currently offlinePcancelli From Italy, joined May 2000, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

Usually they do get to stay in 5 star hotels...depends on the destination.
Here in Milan at least they get to stay down town and some times when you go out at night you meet crews having fun at bars and restaurants..


User currently offlineMatt From Canada, joined May 1999, 700 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1428 times:

It all depends on the airline and the regularity of the flight.

For Air Canada, for example, international layovers (Europe and Asia) for example, are usually about 24 hours. Occasionally, they are 2 to 3 days, but that is more the exception than the rule.

In some cases, layovers to London can be as short at 14 hours! Here's an example of a such pairing at Air Canada (real example of a 767 January 2001 pairing):

Day 1
AC 869 YYZ-LHR 0900-2110 (layover in London of 14:20)

Day 2
AC 861 LHR-YYT 1130-1340
AC 861 YYT-YHZ 1425-1535 (layover in Halifax of 25:25)

Day 3
AC 627 YHZ-YYZ 1700-1820

(YYZ Toronto, YHZ Halifax, YYT St.John's)



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User currently offline777-500ER From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 480 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

I was on-board UA900 SFO-FRA this summer and a flight attendant told me that they would be taking only a 24h layover. Airlines cannot afford the costs of long layovers for crews.

Michael SFO
 Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineMatt From Canada, joined May 1999, 700 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1405 times:

You're right. That is the case with AC. Minimize layover times for two reasons: save money and to offer more days off at base for the flight crews. Spending a week at destination on a layover is wasted time and not counted towards your total monthly working hours.


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User currently offlineJetstreamer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 329 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1379 times:

There are some trips that have short stays and some that have long stays:-

East Coast USA & Florida = one night stop

West Coast USA = two night stop

Johannesburg = one night stop

Hong Kong = two night stop

etc etc etc etc etc

As for routes which are not daily, sometimes we are required to position to another destination. For example, St Lucia flights only operate once a week, but the crew do not stay for a week. On arrival in St Lucia we position to Antigua and operate the return flight from there.

Hope this helps............


User currently offlineLMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1356 times:

F/A's do get to stay a week if the airline only flies there once weekly. There are airlines however that dead-head crew back home after a few hours rest, then do the same to operate the inbound trip. It saves precious hotel expenses and layover allowance on otherwise long stays. Besides the crew can then be utilised on other flights. Don't beleive everything you hear regarding allowances. It is hard to beleive that crews are paid 1000 dollars PER DAY !! And you expect fares to keep getting cheaper?

User currently offlineIcebud From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1350 times:

Does anyone know if flight crews take a stopover on short-haul flights e.g London - Rome which is probably about 2-3 hours? If so, how long do they get and what do they do?

User currently offlineMatt From Canada, joined May 1999, 700 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1324 times:

No, on such short flights (London-Rome), there are no stop-overs per se. The crew usually continues on back home. At Air Canada, for example, turnarounds are very common. The maximum number of hours scheduled varies from 13:30 to 14 hours. It is, for example, possible for a crew to fly YYZ-LAX-YYZ no problem.


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User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1319 times:

Stop over at some exotic spots sound appealing at first, but I'm not quite sure I'd want to spend a week at a place I've been to numerous times before. I'd take days off at home anyday over stop overs (...if I were a flight attendant).

User currently offlineTriStar From Belgium, joined Oct 1999, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1290 times:

While many of you have made some very good points in this thread, I would have to contradict the statement that layovers (aka nightstops) are not quite that uncommon for short to medium haul flights.
The time away from the base (i.e. the length of time the crew spends at the foreign destination) for these (and basically any other) flights depends on several elements. Frequency is also a factor on these sectors (as compared to long haul), but also the rest time the crew will need. Among other things, this will depend on the length of the flight and whether they have done a flight before the one going out to a nightstop.

Also, you have to consider the fact it's impossible for a carrier to have all its aircraft return home in the evening. Where would they park all of them, right? (I know it may sound silly, but it's a fact.)
And the early morning flight out of the remote destination (into the hub/home base) will have to be ensured. All of this is possible through equipment and crew layovers.

I hope that helps to shed a bit of light on the topic. At any rate, nightstops after short flights are not uncommon at all. You may even have a nightstop after a 30 minute flight. In fact, I've had plenty of those.

Best regards,

TriStar.


User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1292 times:

There are two types of layovers. There is the short layover which is under 24 hours...unheard of for international flights, and then there is the long layover.

Short Layover
The minimum layover time is atleast 8 hours in the hotel. Lets say that a crew arrives from IAD to SFO at 10:00am and they are based in IAD. If they have a short layover, they will go to an airport hotel, and probably work the 10:00pm redeye back to IAD.

Long Layover
This can be anywhere from 18 hours to a week. The flight attendants on a long layover get put up in nicer hotels...usually in downtown of what ever city they are at, instead of the airport hotels for those who are working the flights that have a short layover.

United's crews working the SFO-SYD trip get 52 hours(i think) in SYD. Thats not quite 3 days, but close. Some of the things that airlines take into consideration when doing crew layovers is how long was their day of flying, and how much of an operation they might have in a certain city. A crew might fly at night into BDL, and be the first ones out. There are multiple variables that determin the layover length.

Senior crews choose to work a lot of the long hauls, because of the amount of per-deim that they would make. They get paid for every hour during their layover. Its not the same that they would make during the flight, but e trip, some crews can take home as much as someone who works a 40 hour week...and they would have done it with 20 hours of flying, and 3 days laying over.

I L U V 7 6 7


User currently offlineMatt From Canada, joined May 1999, 700 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1267 times:

I agree with TriStar. There are layovers after short flights, especially when an early morning flight from an outstation is planned. However, at AC, there is a DPG (Duty Period Guarantee), which means that the airline tries to ensure at least 4 hours of flying per day for its crew memebers just to be feasible. In the case where pilots don't fly the four hours, they are paid for them. But it does happen that there are layovers after short flights. It's unavoidable is some cases.


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