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CSA Czech Airlines Winter Schedule  
User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7983 times:

CSA Czech Airlines released their winter schedule.
These are the most important changes:

1). Total withdrawall from the UK, abandoning LHR and MAN. Very sad, since OK was serving London 72 years 
2). CSA abandons MUC, CGN and BRQ.
3). Flight to MRS, SKG and VCE will pass to be seasonal only: operated only during summer months
4). Decrease of frequencies to BLQ, OSR, BTS, ZRH, HAM, CPH, OSL, STR and VNO.
5). On the other hand, an increase in ATH, BEY, BEG, BRU, LED and CDG.

The worst news is the dropping of LHR, which is extremely sad. The main reason was the money got from the selling of the slots. MAN was unprofitable. The same was MUC and CGN. However, I don´t understand BRQ, since those flight were very full.
MRS, SKG and VCE passing to be seasonal is a good move, since those flight were profitable only during the summer months.

It will be an interesting schedule, hope that the decrease in frequencies will stop and hope to see new routes in the summer schedule od 2011!!

Cheers!


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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7971 times:

Sad to hear about LHR and MAN. As a result I find it difficult to see how a European airline can be considered a significant carrier when it doesn't serve the UK.

User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7957 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 1):
As a result I find it difficult to see how a European airline can be considered a significant carrier when it doesn't serve the UK

Exactly what I think!!! I really dont understand, because the flights to LHR were pretty full, so no-one can say they were not profitable. The temptation of the money from the slots was stronger than logic... MAN is a different story, but they served it in a bad time and maybe keeping 3 or 4 frequencies a week could´ve made the route profitable...



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User currently offlineN809FR From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 182 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7917 times:

What does the schedule look like to STR right now and then for the winter? I wish they flew their Airbus' there, I would have taken advantage of that.

User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7629 times:

Quoting N809FR (Reply 3):
What does the schedule look like to STR right now and then for the winter? I wish they flew their Airbus' there, I would have taken advantage of that.

I am not sure about STR, but I know that HAM will get a A319 instead of a ATR, but just one frequency a day. Flight time will decrease by 20min. I will check on STR.



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User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2775 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7591 times:
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Does anyone know who bought those LHR slots and how much they paid for them?

Very good news for BEG, the frequency stays the same as for the summer season which came as a pleasant surprise!
A friend of mine flew them to Helsinki from Larnaca and she said that their service was horrible and that she does not intend on flying them again. Can someone tell me if she was overreacting or is that true. She said that both the service and crew were horrible.
I am supposed to fly from LCA to ARN and OK is one option so I don't know if I should take them...


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7554 times:

Quoting Checo77 (Thread starter):
2). CSA abandons MUC, CGN and BRQ.

MUC/Brno return in January
http://airlineroute.net/2010/08/27/ok-w10/

Quoting Checo77 (Thread starter):
1). Total withdrawall from the UK, abandoning LHR and MAN.

Not so long ago (early-mid noughties) they served LHR, STN, BHX, MAN, EDI and GLA. How times change



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User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7322 times:

Quoting Checo77 (Thread starter):
5). On the other hand, an increase in ATH, BEY, BEG, BRU, LED and CDG.

Really interesting, what will be their new frequency and equipment to LED?



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User currently offlinecgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7214 times:

Sad and surprised to see OK leave CGN. I enjoyed their ATRs to/from PRG plus I could earn Skymiles too.


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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7125 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 6):
Not so long ago (early-mid noughties) they served LHR, STN, BHX, MAN, EDI and GLA. How times change

For a while I believe OK also served LGW in addition to the other airports you mention.


User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5300 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6972 times:

Quoting Checo77 (Thread starter):
However, I don´t understand BRQ, since those flight were very full.

Very sad indeed to see them leave here, but i do understand why. Brno - Prague has a 40x daily busservice, very comfortable and modern( incl free wifi, food and drinks, movies and good legroom.), and within 2 hours you are at PRG airport from the Brno city centre. OK continues to sell PRG-BRQ as a connection, but operated by bus.


User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6534 times:

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 2):
Exactly what I think!!! I really dont understand, because the flights to LHR were pretty full

CSA leaving LHR is tragic news. Everytime I flew with them the flight was full.

They also had a very novel marketing strategy on the route. They would price high compared to BA. BA would fill up first, naturally, and then CSA could charge even higher fares for those people desparate to travel from Prague to London. Or at least that's what I guessed was their strategy.

I got caught out a number of times. No joke on a Czech salary.


User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3186 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6504 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 1):
Sad to hear about LHR and MAN. As a result I find it difficult to see how a European airline can be considered a significant carrier when it doesn't serve the UK.

Although it's sad to see that apparantly OK isn't in a good position, I didn't consider them to be a significant carrier for a while now. Abandoning long-haul flying and ditching the A310s was a first step, and now this; they've shrunk to a "normal" regional carrier, serving one airport.

Although they sure seem to be the first legacy carrier to completely abandon Europe's largest air travel market.

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 2):
Exactly what I think!!! I really dont understand, because the flights to LHR were pretty full, so no-one can say they were not profitable.

But you don't know how much these people paid for the seats.

Their flight schedule only allowed for one-day trips from London to Prague, but not the other way around. Of course, the early morning departure from LHR is necessary for the PRG hub, but a major problem is that they could not offer a one-day trip to London from Prague, their home market. So the high-yielding business traffic FROM the Czech Republic, people who might well choose OK over BA on a similar offering (because of corporate contracts, FF-miles or just because of it being Czech) was destined for BA...

Then also, even if you have slots, LHR is an expensive airport to operate from, not only for landing and handling fees, but also because of the congestion, block time is rather high.


Quoting babybus (Reply 11):
They also had a very novel marketing strategy on the route. They would price high compared to BA. BA would fill up first, naturally, and then CSA could charge even higher fares for those people desparate to travel from Prague to London. Or at least that's what I guessed was their strategy.

I have the impression that more carriers try this strategy when competition gets hard, but it doesn't work. For the simple reason, that the competitor isn't stupid either: BA doesn't sell out all seats weeks ahead, but keeps a small number of seats available for these last minute-travellers. And as they can offer a higher frequency, they might even get more of these travellers after all.

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 2):
The temptation of the money from the slots was stronger than logic...

Depends on how much you need the money.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6412 times:

Ah CSA another sick man in Europe.

Quoting ju068 (Reply 5):
Does anyone know who bought those LHR slots and how much they paid for them?

I do know THY had put in a bid for £8mil on the CSA slots and was not the winner.


Also Czech Technics the maintenance division is being marketed around for sale also.



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User currently offlinemdavies06 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6328 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
Quoting ju068 (Reply 5):
Does anyone know who bought those LHR slots and how much they paid for them?

I do know THY had put in a bid for £8mil on the CSA slots and was not the winner.

In the below thread, it was speculated that some of the slots are being used to launch LHR-GOT for BA...

British Airways Launches LHR-GOT!


User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6136 times:

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 7):
Really interesting, what will be their new frequency and equipment to LED?

I will definitely be a A319, no other possibility   I don´t know the times yet

Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 8):
Sad and surprised to see OK leave CGN

Indeed, the competition in form of Germanwings was big, they fly to PRG with their A319, which is more confortable than the ATR. Plus, they are cheaper.

Quoting joost (Reply 12):
Although it's sad to see that apparantly OK isn't in a good position, I didn't consider them to be a significant carrier for a while now. Abandoning long-haul flying and ditching the A310s was a first step, and now this; they've shrunk to a "normal" regional carrier, serving one airport.

CSA wants to start longhaul service after the restructuralization program, somewhere in two years. They are targeting the east, HAN, PEK, BKK. We will see what happens.



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User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1692 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6014 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 5):
Can someone tell me if she was overreacting or is that true. She said that both the service and crew were horrible.

Have flown CSA, LOT and Malev in the last 8 weeks and would rate them as follows:

1 - MA
2 - LO
3 - OK

This based on airport/onboard service; cabincrew was the grumpiest of the above 3 (still giving that East-European 'feel' on board)...

sorry, not to be more positive about OK...



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User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3186 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5876 times:

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 15):
CSA wants to start longhaul service after the restructuralization program, somewhere in two years. They are targeting the east, HAN, PEK, BKK. We will see what happens.

What's the buzz with HAN recently? First LO, and now OK apparantly thinking about it. And that's when AF is withdrawing service, and keeping a cooperation with VN.

I can see a PEK-PRG flight in a few years, but in that context, I expect many European airports to get a connection to PEK in the next few years, including MXP, DUS, BCN, OSL, WAW, etc.


User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5747 times:

Quoting MH017 (Reply 16):
Have flown CSA, LOT and Malev in the last 8 weeks and would rate them as follows:

1 - MA
2 - LO
3 - OK

This based on airport/onboard service; cabincrew was the grumpiest of the above 3 (still giving that East-European 'feel' on board)...

sorry, not to be more positive about OK.

Ok, it was your experience and your opinion is completely valid. But I must say, that in the last two or so years CSA changed a lot for the better. Specially on-board service and the crew. I invite you to try CSA again in the near future and maybe you will be surprised  
Quoting joost (Reply 17):
What's the buzz with HAN recently? First LO, and now OK apparantly thinking about it. And that's when AF is withdrawing service, and keeping a cooperation with VN.

There is a huuuge Vietnamese community in the Czech Republic. HUGE! Everyday, half of the morning OK flights to FRA and CDG are people connecting to HAN. I don´t believe a daily flight would be ideal, but OK would be able to fill a A330 or B767 completely with a 4x or 5x weekly frequency.



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User currently offlineslz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5731 times:

Quoting Checo77 (Thread starter):
an increase in ATH, BEY, BEG, BRU, LED and CDG.

According to

http://airlineroute.net/2010/08/30/ok-w10update2/#more-24236

BRU will be REDUCED from 23 to just 18 times weekly.


User currently offlineGoMEA From France, joined Jan 2004, 202 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5614 times:

Does this mean the 2x daily flight to BEY will be kept at least a few times a week?


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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5588 times:

I think its time for OK, MA and maybe LO to drop their pride and become a close working airline alliance or even completely merge all three airlines. I know the three airlines are in different alliances but I really can't see OK or MA surviving too long on their own. An SAS sort of deal would work and would allow them to restart long-haul ops via one hub or a multi-stop flights.


Just an idea,

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5428 times:

Quoting slz396 (Reply 19):
BRU will be REDUCED from 23 to just 18 times weekly

Will check that

Quoting GoMEA (Reply 20):
Does this mean the 2x daily flight to BEY will be kept at least a few times a week?

Yes!

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 21):
I think its time for OK, MA and maybe LO to drop their pride and become a close working airline alliance or even completely merge all three airlines. I know the three airlines are in different alliances but I really can't see OK or MA surviving too long on their own. An SAS sort of deal would work and would allow them to restart long-haul ops via one hub or a multi-stop flights.

It is not a bad idea, but it will never happen...



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User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 972 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5374 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 21):
I think its time for OK, MA and maybe LO to drop their pride and become a close working airline alliance or even completely merge all three airlines. I know the three airlines are in different alliances but I really can't see OK or MA surviving too long on their own. An SAS sort of deal would work and would allow them to restart long-haul ops via one hub or a multi-stop flights

That's like asking AC to merge with UA - not talking about the size of the airlines. When will a national carrier give up their identity? Never, that's why you have Swiss and Austrian fly under their national flags and names even though they are really LH.


User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5313 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 21):
An SAS sort of deal would work and would allow them to restart long-haul ops via one hub or a multi-stop flights.

And we all know how successful SAS is.....

IMO if you put three ill persons together, then it won't be one healthy person, the same goes for airlines.

They've to cut back seriously and focus on their regional network, long haul only works from WAW to a few destinations, can't see it happening profitably for BUD and PRG.

Quoting Checo77 (Thread starter):
It will be an interesting schedule, hope that the decrease in frequencies will stop and hope to see new routes in the summer schedule od 2011!!

What will they do with the aircraft, store them?



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25 Checo77 : OK is getting rid of their Boeing aircraft, all 734 are going for the russian airline UT Air, the 735 are going to be phased out soon as well. Howeve
26 joost : Looking at Airbus' orders & deliveries sheet, they have still 8 A319s left to be delivered, ordered by or for OK. Of course, they might source ad
27 bjorn14 : They really need London in their network. What national airline worth their salt doesn't fly to London? Maybe they can start STN or LTN or even SEN.
28 LondonCity : That is exactly what I said earlier. No European carrier can be considered important if it fails to serve the UK which is, after all, Europe's larges
29 joost : If it isn't profitable, why serve it? Usually, airlines that continue to fly non-profitable routes because of prestige reasons, end up in liquidation
30 bjorn14 : So which is it? As stated in this thread previously the London flights were full.
31 joost : Being full doesn't equal being profitable. Looking at their website, they're advertising LHR-PRG-VNO r/t for GBP 159. That's GPB 39,75 per passenger
32 fpetrutiu : Do you guys think that some market moves of OK could be influenced by Tarom joining SkyTeam? Is OK realigning itself so they can now work together to
33 icna05e : Regarding Far East and long-haul fleet availability,maybe they should entice other Skyteam partners to start PRG and codeshare witht them. Along with
34 cgnnrw : Not necessarily. I compared OK & 4U and the difference in price was insignificant. I also chose OK because I could get a few extra Skymiles. Plus
35 Severnaya : For those kind of connections SU will grow over the next few years with their new terminals being finished in the next few months/year at SVO and the
36 BY738 : Yes, for the non believers- not so "alleged" now... " a CSA spokeswomen verbally confirmed tthe carrier's UK flights will cease from the start of the
37 330lover : I flew them some 4 years ago, BRU-PRG-ATH and v.v. and was very much surprised by the high level of inflight service and catering. One of my best exp
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