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United Continental Antitrust Deal And SWA  
User currently offlineSANSCOTT744 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 97 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5187 times:

This deal will allow Kennedy to maintain and secure it's foothold for international service out of New York going into the future. It will suck if your a former Continental employee based out of Newark as alot of those jobs will be lost. Once Southwest establishes a foothold at Newark it will control the domestic route structure into and out of the New York area. The new United Airlines will fortify it's Washington Dulles hub, especiall with the addition of a 5th runway with Newark land locked by dense population for any future airfield expansion....my prediction.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100828/...ge/us_united_continental_southwest

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User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1607 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5155 times:

Quoting SANSCOTT744 (Thread starter):
Once Southwest establishes a foothold at Newark it will control the domestic route structure into and out of the New York area.

Who, exactly, are they going to get more slots from in EWR?

Yes, CO (soon to be UA) will be surrendering some slots to WN to get this deal done, but not enough for WN to build up to their usual size operation... if WN wants to expand more in EWR they'll have to find more slots somewhere, and I don't think they're going to get them from CO/UA.

That leaves the other domestic carriers operating into EWR, because WN isn't likely to have much luck getting slots with international carriers. So yes, they could eventually get a decent number of flights going there, but nothing compared to pretty much anywhere else in their network.

In the end it will be little different than competing with WN in CLE, DEN, etc...



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2908 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5141 times:

Quoting SANSCOTT744 (Thread starter):
This deal will allow Kennedy to maintain and secure it's foothold for international service out of New York going into the future.

JFK gets the lion's share of international carriers, and EWR is perfectly happy with that as it could never handle much more service (domestic or int'l) than it already does. The airports complement each other nicely by serving vastly different functions:

JFK is a SkyTeam hub (DL and its alliance partners) as well as a oneworld hub (AA and its alliance partners). I use the term "hub" loosely as the airport is very much geared towards O&D pax - with LGA serving most regional and mid-haul traffic, JFK cannot offer a vast array of domestic-domestic or domestic-international connections.

EWR is the NYC metro area's Star Alliance hub, and prominent Star carriers like AC, SK, and TP have consolidated all ops there (that is, they don't serve JFK at all). EWR also handles what I'd like to call "niche" airlines like Porter, OpenSkies, and Iceland Express, plus unique routes like the nonstop SQ service to SIN and a number of foreign markets served exclusively by CO (no n/s service to them from JFK at all). EWR is also the only New York airport that can offer seamless connections between domestic markets large and small and international markets. Airlines like AA and DL often have to route pax into LGA and out of JFK, which can be harrowing to say the least!

Quoting SANSCOTT744 (Thread starter):
It will suck if your a former Continental employee based out of Newark as alot of those jobs will be lost.

EWR stands to grow from the merger. Those new 787s will bring foreign markets like JNB, BLR, IST, etc. into easy (and profitable) reach. Only the folks in CLE will have to worry about their jobs being lost.

Quoting SANSCOTT744 (Thread starter):
Once Southwest establishes a foothold at Newark it will control the domestic route structure into and out of the New York area.

WN will not be able to "establish a foothold" with 18 slots. They will merely be a small fish in a huge pond just like they are at LGA. They will hardly gain traction in the New York market against AA, UA/CO, DL, and B6 with such limited presence at LGA and EWR, let alone "control the domestic route structure into and out of the New York area". WN may be top dog when it comes to smaller markets like Reno or Louisville, but they are hardly controlling anything out of major markets like LA, Chicago, Philadelphia, or Houston where the legacies remain tough competitors on key routes..

Quoting SANSCOTT744 (Thread starter):
The new United Airlines will fortify it's Washington Dulles hub, especiall with the addition of a 5th runway with Newark land locked by dense population for any future airfield expansion

IAD will absorb as much connecting traffic as possible to relieve EWR, but that will allow the airline to add more O&D flights (primarily long hauls), which will mean growth at the hub..



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5141 times:

Quoting SANSCOTT744 (Thread starter):
It will suck if your a former Continental employee based out of Newark as alot of those jobs will be lost.


As I wrote in the other post, my main concern with this merger is job losses. Any idea of the job loss count after the deal is official and the swap share has taken place and the two airlines become "United"?
Although the deal looks like it is sealed I am a no-merger supporter.



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User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 637 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5029 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
Any idea of the job loss count after the deal is official and the swap share has taken place and the two airlines become "United"?

Just guessing, but maybe 1,000+ redundant or meaningless management positions will be lost. Operations-type workers, like the ramp or ticket counter, will not be much affected.


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3680 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4957 times:

A little bit off topic but do you think UA/CO will have to give up slots at DCA and will WN grab them too?


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User currently offlinetimberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4632 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 5):
A little bit off topic but do you think UA/CO will have to give up slots at DCA and will WN grab them too?

No as the DOJ has approved the merger with the CO/UA slot lease to WN at EWR.



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User currently offlinePI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4506 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):

Excellent reply young man! You know your stuff and I was impressed with your very knowledgable overview of this market and its impact on UA. Its market share will be huge in the Northeast for the first time and I believe it will fight to become the new "New York" airline.
I suspect there will be few job losses at UA or CO in the NYC/EWR/IAD field operations.
I know this is a stressful time for all UA and CO employees. I've been there, and I understand how difficult your days at work can become. Focus on doing your job to the best of your ability, take good care of your customers and keep a positive slant on everything that comes down the line as a fresh change or a new challenge or opportunity. As my wise and Beloved Grandmother once told me (during my stress of a merger) "This too shall pass".

Good Luck folks, and thanks again SurfandSnow for a great commentary.
Thomas



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User currently offlineseven3seven From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 319 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4432 times:

The first post and subsequently the entire thread should have been deleted as it was just the poster's opinion without any real facts.

The 36 slots we acquired were United slots. CO employees in EWR won't lose a thing due to WN taking them over.

If UA and CO want to downsize operations there it has nothing to do with WN. And we aren't exactly going to be able to build up a huge presence in NYC unless other airlines want to specifically downsize.

But hey let the free market system and capitalism win out. Oh wait, slots wont let that happen.



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4378 times:
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