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Lufthansa 744 To OAK (8/28)  
User currently offlinevulindlela From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 473 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9466 times:

Saw a Lufthansa 747-400 come into Oakland today. Only stayed a little while and then completed it's flight to SFO. I suspected it was a fuel diversion due to heavy winds. Anyone else know anything? Always fun to see at OAK.


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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9425 times:

Yes, spoke to one of the crew. Plane was inbound from Frankfurt to SFO, LH 454. It was in a holding pattern and was running low on fuel. Divert to OAK to top off and then a hop over to SFO.


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User currently offlinejeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7026 times:

I bet you that at least some of the people on the flight thought "Oh boy, this is going to take us way out of our way," then before they completed there thought they were at SFO.


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User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5573 times:

I guess they probably don't let anyone off. With Oakland easily being in SFO's catchment area I bet there were some people headed to the east side of the bay.

User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5208 times:

I understand diverting due to low fuel, but a 747 diverting to OAK from SFO? Really? It's 8-15 miles apart. Wouldn't a long haul 747 arrival get some sort of priority for landing at SFO?


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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5830 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5146 times:
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Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 4):
I understand diverting due to low fuel, but a 747 diverting to OAK from SFO? Really? It's 8-15 miles apart. Wouldn't a long haul 747 arrival get some sort of priority for landing at SFO?

Just because a 744 is easily capable of making the FRA-SFO easily, doesn't mean the 744 is filled to max capacity in fuel. They are only required to carry enough for 1-hour margin in fuel. With fuel prices the way they are, the amount of fuel to add to the aircraft is probably down to the gallon.

Although SFO and OAK are only a few miles apart, the weather between the two could as different as night and day. Sometimes during this time of year, the on-shore flow can cause some traffic problems at SFO. It's not all that uncommon for SFO to send diversions to OAK and SJC.


User currently onlineAirxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4504 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4174 times:

I bet you there were some people on that flight heading to the east bay that were thinking to themselves "wow I wish I could get off in Oakland!!"


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24320 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3981 times:

If you zoom in on the flight track on the link below you can see LH454 took some inbound holds to SFO and opted to divert to OAK.
Yesterday SFO was experiencing delays due to winds and low ceilings.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...4/history/20100828/0755Z/EDDF/KSFO



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4068 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3821 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 1):



Yes, spoke to one of the crew. Plane was inbound from Frankfurt to SFO, LH 454. It was in a holding pattern and was running low on fuel. Divert to OAK to top off and then a hop over to SFO.

I;m sure you didn't really mean they 'topped off'.


More likely they loaded on about an hours worth of fuel if that.



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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 5):
Just because a 744 is easily capable of making the FRA-SFO easily, doesn't mean the 744 is filled to max capacity in fuel. They are only required to carry enough for 1-hour margin in fuel. With fuel prices the way they are, the amount of fuel to add to the aircraft is probably down to the gallon.

I know all that. Here at WN, for example, if we have flights going to MDW they divert to STL or OMA, but those are 300 miles away from MDW. I just haven't heard of a jumbo diverting so close to the actual airport!



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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3767 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3103 times:

Awesome, the OAK-SFO shows up at 2 minutes!
http://de.flightaware.com/live/fligh...4/history/20100828/2045Z/KOAK/KSFO
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User currently offlineBarney Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 887 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 10):
Awesome, the OAK-SFO shows up at 2 minutes!




.......which, given the fact that they took off on 29 and landed on the 28's, is impossible.



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User currently onlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5997 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 10):

A flightaware.com error. We all know the site as issue's. Average time for a 29 dept from Oakland to a 28 arrival at SFO is 20 minutes. Specially on the routing it flew.

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 9):

There is no landing priority unless min fuel or a fuel emergency is declared and that opens a hole can-of-worms. It doesn't matter how close OAK is, the fact is they were not landing at SFO till their spot came up. By the time LH is scheduled to arrive, we (SkyWest) were still getting 9-10am arrivals that had take 2 hour delays. Actually despite what Wedge say's above, weather at OAK could even be exactly the same as SFO and planes will still divert there for the fact that OAK is not nearly as "busy" as SFO.

The example with WN you give is much different. Flights you exampled will divert because of weather related issue's like area thunderstorms, blizzards, etc. Weather that we don't get on the Left Coast commonly. SFO is just a unique position as a very busy airport placed in a wind driven fog machine. "and no offense to OMA or even STL, but they rarely have 20 planes in holding at once".

Guessing (pure speculation) that LH dispatch and crew looked more at ceiling levels and whether there was rain (not this time of year) in the area while flight planning. And it's not like we were getting +50 mph winds.

They very well could have burned more fuel en-route then planned.



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User currently offlinemikesairways From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2655 times:
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A couple of weeks ago we at SJC got a treat of a UAL 744 that diverted from ICN. After sitting for a bit, it took off 30L straight up the bay to SFO.

Here's a video that was posted to you tube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bztYuTHXVK8

This is not my video - all credit goes to the person that recorded it.



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User currently offlineSevenHeavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1146 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

I suspect its nothing to do with the fact that SFO is marginally farther away than OAK, but more to do with the holding delays and congestion getting in to SFO, whereas they almost certainly were able to drop straight into OAK with no hold.

Also, flight times from Europe to the west coast have been much longer than usual, mainly due to headwinds which are proving difficult to predict. That quite possibly added a few minutes flying time. Throw in a holding delay on arrival and the crew probably found that their contingency / holding fuel was not sufficient to avoid a precautionary diversion.



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User currently offlinepurplebox From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2332 times:

Deleted - posted in error!

[Edited 2010-08-30 13:55:50]


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User currently offlinejetpixx From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

This happens frequently...At FLL, I remember seeing an AZ 777, Polar Air Cargo DC-10, AA 777 and other assorted diversions headed for MIA. These two are a little further apart than SFO/OAK -- but weather can be completely different just a handful of miles away.

User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3698 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2255 times:
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Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 9):
I just haven't heard of a jumbo diverting so close to the actual airport!

I've landed in heavies diverting into RTM from AMS, OAK from SFO and AFW from DFW just within the past few years. There are plenty of reasons beside weather why an airport less than 20 miles from the intended destination is a diversion point.



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User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

Many times we would be closed at DFW while DAL was up and running, 8 miles away.

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