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Could Ohio Downtowns Support Service?  
User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3676 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

With Ohio having three major downtown airports...Lunken, Rickenbacker & Burke (alright, I know LCK isn't actually downtown) could they support some kind of intra-Ohio commuter service or are people just happy to drive?


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5221 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

It's been tried before with Central States.

Drive times within much of Ohio renders intastate air service marginal at best.



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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6194 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2164 times:

How is Rickenbacker downtown? Port Columbus is closer and has a freeway 670 and 40 leading right into downtown. Also, CMH isn't overwhelmed with traffic. Personally i'd give service there as a business airport a 0% chance.

Burke, I think will always just be a corporate airport with an airshow. If CLE downtown business thrived more, it would be wonderful to see some type of commuter to LGA,MDW,etc.

Lunken, your guess is as good as mine. I am not familiar with this area as it's Bengals territory.  



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User currently offlineisitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2009 times:

The downtown-2-downtown worked at Burke in the 60's until Tag dumped one on the frozen lake January of 1970.
Burke-DET(detroit city) sported two airlines, Tag and Wright. They did ok.
COEX tried it in the 90's for while, about the same time ProAir was flying out of DET.......then it died.
safe



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User currently offlineMLD9S From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):
It's been tried before with Central States.

Central States actually served Cuyahoga County Airport in the east-side suburb of Richmond Heights. They operated from Cuyahoga County to Detroit City and Cincinnati Lunken.

Northcoast Executive Airlines operated out of Burke Lakefront Airport in Cleveland and linked several downtown airports. The routes included:

Dayton General to Detroit City.
Detroit City to Burke Lakefront.
Dayton General to Burke Lakefront.
Dayton General to Chicago Midway.

Both airlines operated around 1990-ish.

In addition, Comair operated Delta Connection service between Burke Lakefront and Detroit City between 1986 and 1990. Although the frequency changed occaissionaly, there were always roughly a half-dozen roundtrips a day. An oddity, since neither station linked to any other DL/OH cities.

Finally, since Midway Airport is often considered Chicago's downtown airport, it is interesting to note than when the original Midway Airlines started operations in 1979, its initial Cleveland operations were at Burke Lakefront with multiple DC-9s from Burke to Chicago Midway. This was short-lived, however, and by the end of their first year, Cleveland operations had been switched to Hopkins.

Quoting isitsafenow (Reply 3):
COEX tried it in the 90's for while, about the same time ProAir was flying out of DET.......then it died.
safe

Safe, I have no doubt that you are correct, but I have gone through a dozen CO timetables from the mid 90s through 2000 and I cannot find this service anywhere. The closest relevent thing I can find regarding Continental Express, Cleveland and downtown airports, is CO Express service from Hopkins to downtown Chicago Meigs field in the early 90s.


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1789 times:

Quoting MLD9S (Reply 4):
when the original Midway Airlines started operations in 1979, its initial Cleveland operations were at Burke Lakefront with multiple DC-9s from Burke to Chicago Midway. This was short-lived, however, and by the end of their first year, Cleveland operations had been switched to Hopkins.

Thanks for the info...why did Midway move to CLE? Operational issues? No pax?



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User currently offlineMLD9S From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1737 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 5):
Thanks for the info...why did Midway move to CLE? Operational issues? No pax?

I chatted with someone online one day who worked for Midway when they first started flying and he worked at Burke. According to HIM....it was some sort of operational/safety issue. IIRC.....something to do with runway length and more than once potentially dangerous situations.

Again, that was according to someone who was there at the time. I don't know if that is true or not.


User currently offlineflyerboy1990 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1706 times:

Being a NEOhioan, I have always wondered whether Cincy, Columbus, and Cleveland could support airline service between them.

1) I don't know much about Cincinnati, but Columbus has been under a semi-recession-proof bubble. Cleveland isn't doing so well but because of how the city's economy was before, it didn't have much room to fall.

2) The driving distance between the cities isn't so bad. My university (half hour from Dayton) is just 2:45 from my home south of Cleveland. That distance is traversing a lot of the state with not much more distance either way to the borders.

3) Like what has been said, Port Columbus is pretty easy to get to from downtown. But I will say that when I have had to travel there, traffic was a bit crazy. I'm not sure if Burke could handle the service. It can handle a 738 since there was one at the airshow a few years ago!

My parents work for the city bus company in Akron and there is a charter bus schedule specifically catered to people who travel between Akron and Cleveland (45 min journey). Maybe high speed, high capacity helicopters between the major cities???



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User currently offlineisitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1466 times:

Quoting MLD9S (Reply 4):
MLD9S

Hey, I forgot about Midway. Thx for that.
Yep, COEX did fly I believe 1900D's between DET and Burke. They made the news because they featured the
"on board comedian" cracking jokes while in flight.
Its on the net someplace. Seek and Ye shall find......
safe



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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6194 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1348 times:

Quoting MLD9S (Reply 6):

Don't know how long the runway was at the time your friend worked, but currently BKL is 6,200, which is plenty for any regional service. I'd lean more towards lack of passengers. IMHO.



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