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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1319 posts, RR: 15
Posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 19677 times:

We have passed 250 posts in the last thread, so it is naturally time to open this one. Discussions from the previous thread:

3 Q400s will be kept until April 2011 under the current plan. 2 will fly, and one will be spare. They will operate ASE, COS, and Durango. This occurred as a lease deal fell through for these aircraft. They will operate on the Republic certificate.

Frontier will operate 1X weekly service on Sunday to LIR. This route has been discussed for some time.

DEN-LIR
F9 flight 80
Dep: 0825
Arr: 1435
A319

LIR-DEN
F9 flight 81
Dep: 1525
Arr: 2010
A319


In addition, it was reported that N866RW will be the E170 to leave the fleet next month.

LIR is the first piece to be put in place for next year. With 6 new A320s coming in 1st Half next year, we should see some schedule changes for sure. Should be interesting.


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User currently offlinenorcal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 19672 times:

Quoting FRNT787 (Thread starter):
3 Q400s will be kept until April 2011 under the current plan. 2 will fly, and one will be spare. They will operate ASE, COS, and Durango. This occurred as a lease deal fell through for these aircraft. They will operate on the Republic certificate.

Still curious how the October 1st launch date will happen because there have been no RAH pilots going through Q-400 training or any Lynx pilots getting re-certified or going through RAH basic indoc. Does RAH even have an approved training program for the Q-400 yet? Any instructors? Check airmen? etc.


User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2038 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 19626 times:

Quoting norcal (Reply 1):
Quoting FRNT787 (Thread starter):
3 Q400s will be kept until April 2011 under the current plan. 2 will fly, and one will be spare. They will operate ASE, COS, and Durango. This occurred as a lease deal fell through for these aircraft. They will operate on the Republic certificate.

Still curious how the October 1st launch date will happen because there have been no RAH pilots going through Q-400 training or any Lynx pilots getting re-certified or going through RAH basic indoc. Does RAH even have an approved training program for the Q-400 yet? Any instructors? Check airmen? etc.

Can't they (REJET) transfer the Lynx employees over? IIRC something was said about massive amount of paperwork need to move staff from F9 to RJET.



Side note thread now at 13. Wow I think I know more about F9 than any other airline that I have not worked for.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 19629 times:

Kinda bizarre timing on the LIR flight without ability to make connections. Are there enough folks in DEN to make this work on its own?

Either way good to see another flight to Costa Rica's Pacific Guanacaste coast which continues to see growing tourism and real estate development.



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User currently offlinenorcal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 19601 times:

Quoting sunking737 (Reply 2):

Can't they (REJET) transfer the Lynx employees over?

That process is ongoing for the pilots, but until the master SLI is complete (the merger of F9/Lynx/YX/RAH) no flying on any RAH certificate can be done by anyone but RAH pilots.

So in about 30 days they'll need to train enough RAH pilots on the Q-400 to operate these aircraft (probably in the neighborhood of 20-30) AND get the new captains 100 hours in type and ASE certified. That is simply impossible for any training department let alone one that is bringing on a new type.

My guess is they'll try and bring on Lynx pilots (after getting the re-certified and/or sent through basic indoc) and violate the scope clause portion of the RAH pilot's contract.

I don't know if RAH even plans on transferring any of the back office Lynx employees to Indy. My guess is they'll be laid off otherwise there'd be no point in getting rid of the Lynx certificate in the first place.


User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1319 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 19565 times:

Quoting norcal (Reply 4):
I don't know if RAH even plans on transferring any of the back office Lynx employees to Indy. My guess is they'll be laid off otherwise there'd be no point in getting rid of the Lynx certificate in the first place.

That was the plan. That is why they are transferring the necessary Q400 employees over to Republic. The exact timeline that will occur, I am not sure.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 19470 times:

Since we did not have any pic posted in the first post.... I'll offer this pic.... (This is my OWN picture, BTW......)

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt204/airframef9/Frontier%20Misc%20Photos/Lucy.jpg

Quoting kingcavalier,reply=261, Frontier thread #12 ]AA MIA-LIR.................................................7x
AA DFW-LIR...............................................2x
DL ATL-LIR.................................................9x
CO IAH-LIR...............................................11x
CO EWR-LIR..............................................1x
US CLT-LIR.................................................1x[/quote]

What do the Mexican carriers have daily?

[quote=FRNT787
(Reply 5):
That is why they are transferring the necessary Q400 employees over to Republic.

Well, the ground employees (Not the FA's nor pilots) do wear F9 uniforms.... It would have made more sense and saved money by making the Lynx folks F9 employees.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 19430 times:

Quoting norcal (Reply 4):
So in about 30 days they'll need to train enough RAH pilots on the Q-400 to operate these aircraft (probably in the neighborhood of 20-30) AND get the new captains 100 hours in type and ASE certified. That is simply impossible for any training department let alone one that is bringing on a new type.
Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 5):
That was the plan. That is why they are transferring the necessary Q400 employees over to Republic. The exact timeline that will occur, I am not sure.

I'm sure F9/RAH pilots might take a pass on the Q400s, IMHO I don't think too may pilots want to go from jets to propellers...again so they will leave it to the Lynx guys and gals.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 19413 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 7):
IMHO I don't think too may pilots want to go from jets to propellers...

I still consider the Q400 as a jet as it does use two turbine engines......with propellers though....



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User currently onlinekingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1302 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19383 times:

AirframesAS - There aren't any Mexican carriers that I know of that fly from Costa Rica to the US. You might be thinking of TACA, but I don't see any carriers except US carriers flying from LIR to the US.


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25009 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19312 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
Kinda bizarre timing on the LIR flight without ability to make connections. Are there enough folks in DEN to make this work on its own?

I'm just very happy to see LIR on the route map.

If SJO was a gamble, then I think LIR is more so and - hopefully - will be as successful. I could speculate on the timing but I assume it to be quite deliberate and it intrigues me that there is no service to LIR from anywhere further west than (now) DEN.

Here it is (in Spanish) in La Nacion, which seems a tad confused about the aircraft type:

http://www.nacion.com/2010-08-30/Eco...ia/UltimaHora/UH0830-FRONTIER.aspx

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The Boeing will fly only once a week, every Sunday.  

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User currently offlinenorcal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19242 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 7):

I'm sure F9/RAH pilots might take a pass on the Q400s, IMHO I don't think too may pilots want to go from jets to propellers...again so they will leave it to the Lynx guys and gals.

Really you sure about that? F9 pilots have nothing to do with this btw, this is solely RAH pilots who are the only ones (currently) legally allowed to fly on RAH certificates (Chautauqua, Republic, Shuttle America). Since the Q-400s are being put on the Republic certificate only pilots on the RAH seniority list are allowed to fly them. If SLI was complete between Lynx, YX, F9, and RAH pilots than there would be no problem but since it isn't yet they are all separate. (which is why only F9 pilots are flying F9 aircraft and RAH pilots are only flying RAH aircraft).

There are many senior RAH FOs and displaced Captains itching for a left seat anywhere so they can get their PIC time and move onto mainline carriers. There will be serious labor problems if RAH management tries to bypass these guys by illegally bringing in former Lynx Captains to staff these flights. I'm sure out of a seniority list of over 2000 there are 20-30 RAH pilots who wouldn't mind flying the Q either to get a left seat or fly out of DEN for a bit.

Further the union will not allow any relief on scope, they do not trust RAH management. If RAH management wants the union to play ball the company will have to give up something in return.


User currently onlinekingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1302 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 19139 times:

Quoting norcal (Reply 11):
There will be serious labor problems if RAH management tries to bypass these guys by illegally bringing in former Lynx Captains to staff these flights.

If the Q400's are only around until April is it not possible mgmt has worked out a letter of understanding with Republic union leadership that Lynx pilots will operate the Q's? There has been a lot of discussion about this on here and I agree with everything being said if the Q's were going to stick around.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 19140 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 10):
and it intrigues me that there is no service to LIR from anywhere further west than (now) DEN.

I want to say HP/US tried or was about to try from PHX once. TACA was also going to run a LIR-LAX a couple years back but with the fuel run up in '07 that idea died.

The Guanacaste and Tamarindo region has a bit of weird sales patterns from the US. For whatever reason the American's with dollars that want the nice resorts tend be be East Coasters, while the West Coast crowd tends to be the free spirit, young surfer crowd that don't bring much money. The regional tourism folks have been pitching the region strongly here on the West Coast but sadly it has not taken off. I know currently there is also a bit of struggle in the hotel industry with lower occupancy result of several new properties opening and the global recession all occurring the same time.

I'm quite keen on the region since my first introduction in the early 90s when had to endure an adventures drive from San Jose.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25009 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 19121 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
I'm quite keen on the region since my first introduction in the early 90s when had to endure an adventures drive from San Jose.

I'm fairly keen on the region, too. I assume that this is pretty much it for Costa Rican destinations, though. I doubt we will ever see service to the Caribbean coast - Limon, say. Well, I can dream, perhaps.

As to the timings, it seems to me they miss out on connection capability at one end or the other.

If they delay the DEN departure by a couple of hours, then the return is also delayed - until 10.30 pm - and isn't that a bit late for onward connections?

Neither is ideal, perhaps, but this is possibly the lesser of the two evils. Pax may accept some inconvenience going there - but coming back, generally, they just want to get home.

Eventually - assuming LIR works - I suppose it could be done another way, the timings could be different, and then KingCavalier and I would both get our wish - SJO-LIR-SJO. But that is looking a long way down the road.

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User currently offlinenorcal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19022 times:

Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 12):

If the Q400's are only around until April is it not possible mgmt has worked out a letter of understanding with Republic union leadership that Lynx pilots will operate the Q's? There has been a lot of discussion about this on here and I agree with everything being said if the Q's were going to stick around.

There has been no indication of this, the only chatter from RAH and Lynx pilots has been, "How are they going to do this?"


User currently onlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2741 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18993 times:

Over in another thread

"DOT Launches DCA Slot Proceeding"

is this

The DOT today has commenced slot proceeding to reallocate former 7 Midwest Airlines DCA slots.
Initially DOT is soliciting applications for two Vision-100 'within perimeter' slot pairs currently used by Frontier on DCA-MCI services.
....................
Additionally there are 5 other ex Midwest slot pairs where the department will conduct a separate proceeding for.
Submittals are due September 30th.
OST-2000-7182
JetBlue has already indicated to the department that it will solicit for all 7 of these slots.




Is F9 loosing its MCI-DCA nonstops? Is OMA involved as well?

It's going to be kind of a blow if F9 in fact has to give up these in order to satisfy conditions for the consolidation.

[Edited 2010-08-30 16:53:14]

User currently offlineN809FR From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 182 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 18776 times:

That only seems fair, give WN a bunch of new slots at EWR while at the same time taking Frontier's slots at DCA. My guess is that WN is awarded all of the slots since they seem to be so cozy with the DOJ.

User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18676 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
Caribbean coast - Limon, say. Well, I can dream, perhaps.

As much as I would like to see that it would be a miracle since LIO only recently reopened (2006) their airport after repairing it from hurricane damage and is still struggling getting up to int'l standards. The runway is only 5900' while DEN-LIO is 2,452nm. Maybe as an addon from SJO.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25009 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 18488 times:
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Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 18):
The runway is only 5900' while DEN-LIO is 2,452nm. Maybe as an addon from SJO.

I don't think it will ever happen. I'm not sure that there is the traffic for the Caribbean coast and I don't know if there is sufficient tourist infrastructure.

The most I am hoping for - eventually - is that Frontier does a deal with one of the teensy Costa Rican airlines, similar to a code share, say, a tourist pass, maybe.

Sansa flies the route - SJO-LIO - but they're already associated with TACA. Hmmmm.

http://www.flysansa.com/

mariner



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 18450 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 19):
I don't know if there is sufficient tourist infrastructure.

I do know they have a terminal at the port for cruise ships....at least that's a start. Beaches are OK. Ecotourism is the thing.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 18360 times:

Quoting N809FR (Reply 17):
That only seems fair, give WN a bunch of new slots at EWR while at the same time taking Frontier's slots at DCA.

For me, I would prefer NOT to have WN at DCA for any reason.



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User currently offlineN809FR From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 182 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 18279 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 21):

For me, I would prefer NOT to have WN at DCA for any reason.

I completely agree, I'm not entirely sure though why Frontier cannot hold the seven slots up for grabs. If anything I think F9 should receive compensation in the form of slots at other slot-controlled airports. Give them a few more LGA slots, or some of those EWR slots WN just picked up. I can just see WN launching DEN-DCA to drive F9 out of one of their most important routes they currently operate.


User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1359 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 18245 times:

If you read the DCA slot thread they have to give them up because they were YX's at some point and are not transferable.

They can't bid for them back because the bidder has to have less than 20 flights a day (in addition to other requirements) and Republic has around 100 flights a day.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25009 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 18215 times:
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Quoting ADent (Reply 23):
They can't bid for them back because the bidder has to have less than 20 flights a day (in addition to other requirements) and Republic has around 100 flights a day.

Hmmmmmmm. That may be, but I'd love to hear an informed legal opinion.

I've stayed out of this because I don't understand the complex legal in's and out's of it all and, reading that thread, there is some confusion even among people whose brains I very much respect.

As far as I understand it, Frontier - Republic - does not intend to lose the slots that easily, but I don't know how they play this because I'm not a lawyer.

I assume the DOT is acting completely within the letter of the law, but the law and justice can be two different things

And at the very least, I think the possibility of losing this service would be quite unjust - as in unfair - to the good people of Kansas City and - eventually - Omaha.

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25 Post contains images AirframeAS : I wonder if this can be contested in a court of law. If UA/CO gets to keep slots at an airport and NW/DL gets the same, why can't RW/F9/YX? Something
26 Antoniemey : 2 of the slots (or slot pairs? That part's not clear, but I would assume they're pairs, as in 2 arrival slots and 2 departure slots) are not transfer
27 ScottB : The difficulty most likely lies in the fact that when the Air21 slots were created, the government/Congress never expected an arrangement wherein a r
28 mariner : It is a very real possibility. Battling the DOT, as with any bureaucracy, is like punching jello - it wobbles but it does not change shape. In this c
29 Post contains images AirframeAS : That is what I do not understand. If the DOT allowed RW to continue to fly these routes for over a year, why is the DOT making it a big deal now?
30 ScottB : I believe it's because no other carrier asked for the slots, and they were still being used for the originally intended small/medium hub service. If
31 Post contains images mariner : As I said, I am deeply cynical about all this. It is either "illegal" - in the sense of being outside the regulations - or it is not. On an unrelated
32 point2point : I don't know if "illegal" is quite the right term here, but I'm assuming that there is a process to be followed if certain events happen, and as cert
33 AirframeAS : We need all the A320's we can get! Like you, I am still waiting to see an A321 on the property!!!! I also heard a rumor from a few F9 folks on FB....
34 Post contains images mariner : I qualified the definition. LOL. I haven't heard that. And Frontier already flies to EWR. mariner
35 LAXintl : The DOT notified Republic in November 2009 about the inability to assume the Midwest slots, but also informed them they could continue operating the
36 AirframeAS : Actually, that is on RW metal, not F9 metal. They are 14XX flight numbers. So, technically that is not us doing those flights even though they appear
37 mariner : What happened to "We are one"? Is that out the window now? mariner
38 AirframeAS : Ok, how about this: This is on RW aircraft, an ERJ operated by CHQ and not on an Airbus operated by F9.
39 mariner : You call it what you want. But as far as I am concerned, Frontier flies to SBA and LGB. And Frontier flies to PIT and RDU - and EWR. I'm not going to
40 Post contains images AirframeAS : I'm just saying what frontierairlines.com says.
41 mariner : That's right - frontierairlines.com. You cant go to Republic to book it, you can't go to Chatauqua to book it. You go to Frontier to book it. We are
42 Post contains links point2point : LOL, didn't take you long eh? On another note, DEN supposedly is scheduled for some UA/CO cuts due to the merger according to an attorney suing to bl
43 Post contains images AirframeAS : I fail to see why we are arguing about this. I am not Eniliria. I hope you are not having a bad day, Mariner.
44 mariner : LOL. Why would you think that? As far as I cam concerned, Frontier flies to EWR, that's all. mariner
45 Post contains links and images mariner : The folk at OMA should be happy - LAX, SAN, MCO - and PIE: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fronti...ounces-bw-2891203356.html?x=0&.v=1 "Frontier Ai
46 loggat : I think this will give better access to the SRQ catchment area too. I assume we are going to see the DEN and MKE flights (and the OKC flight if it co
47 FRNT787 : Well, this looks like the beginning of part of the non-hub expansion. Hopefully these should do well. Having the E190 in the fleet makes Frontier qui
48 ScottB : It strikes me as being very odd unless the plan is to move all Tampa Bay service to PIE. Why would they open a new station for a grand total of 28 ro
49 Post contains images SANFan : I beg your pardon Mariner; what about us folks in San Diego?! Some of us might be happy at this news as well... Interesting announcement. Unexpected,
50 Post contains images AirframeAS : Another rumor I am hearing from my F9 mechanic friends in MKE: "Go to MCI for the c-check.... Oh, wait.... go back to MKE." So, I ask: What's going on
51 Post contains images mariner : I hoped you would be happy and certainly the folk at PIE, but OMA gets the several destinations and since they may be about to lose OMA-DCA, I though
52 Post contains links adamblang : Effective November 18th, all MKE-TPA flights will be MKE-PIE. http://frontierair.tekgroupweb.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5223
53 FRNT787 : They did not say anything about DEN-Tampa. Maybe that is coming soon...
54 Post contains images mariner : As noted above, I have my fingers crossed for that. mariner
55 FRNT787 : As do I, it would make sense. I just hope they dont try to keep both, I dont think that would make sense at all.
56 point2point : Looking at a map, it seems like TPA and PIE have sort of a similar situation as do SFO and OAK, right across the bay from each other, and not that far
57 oflanigan : A great choice for Frontier. Hopefully they see the opportunity to expand service out of PIE. Does anyone think WN and FL who are based at TPA will fe
58 ScottB : Nope. Except for more population in the SF Bay Area with more business demand, as well as far worse traffic.
59 mariner : I'm wary of parallels. If there is one here it may be closer to PHF v. ORF, but I don't think even that is exact. Who knows what airlines will do in
60 USPIT10L : No other scheduled service. Other airlines have tried to use it as an "alternative" to TPA, but what for? TPA is uncongested and has no real dominant
61 PlanesNTrains : If they have had success at PHF, and they are feeling good about BKG, and the move to HOU makes sense, perhaps they are looking throughout the system
62 TVNWZ : MKE-PIE is a very good tactical move to blunt FL in TPA and SRQ IMHO. Instead of going into both you can go into PIE and be close to both. Many MKE pa
63 AltairF28 : The traffic is worse but I'm not sure it's far worse-ever been here and tried driving on Dale Mabry or 275 South (the two main routes to the airport)
64 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Perhaps, but for F9's purposes, WN would be a primary competitor with FL also in the mix. I don't know about you, but that would be a strong one-two
65 mke717spotter : I seriously doubt that FL/WN would consider moving all their ops to PIE just because F9 did. They have a much larger operation at TPA compared to F9'
66 USPIT10L : But they were never considered large stations for either airline. USAir never put airport maps of TPA in USAir Magazine, even though they had well ov
67 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Well over 100 flights a day? They might not have called it a focus city, but it's clear that they had a large operation by any measure. But I get you
68 Post contains images mariner : I have a whole focus city going on in my head for Frontier at PIE - not a hundred flights, but much, much more than they intend, I'm sure. mariner
69 Post contains links mariner : For anyone interested in the business side of things, there is a remarkable interview in Businessweek with Michael O'Leary (MOL) - CEO of Ryanair: htt
70 point2point : Thanks I'm wondering if both TPA and PIE could be kept by F9? The only real added expense is the airport costs, since I think that personal could be
71 Post contains links point2point : On another note, Republic released their August 2010 Traffic Report today Republic Airways Holdings (NASDAQ/NM: RJET | PowerRating), today reported pr
72 sideflare75 : Yes they are now coming back. I guess when they told them it would be temporary it was true. I heard Sept. 25th for a date but one is back already. S
73 LAXintl : Anyone recall what flying ATA had at PIE? I know for a bit they had a LAX flight on 737-800s (loads were OK, but fares were bargain basement)
74 Post contains links kingcavalier : It looks like they flew PIE to IND and MDW when they ceased service to PIE in 2005. The PIE press release said ATA represented 50% of PIE's passenger
75 Post contains links LAXintl : I just found some more. Looks like they had 51 weekly flights at PIE including daily LGA service, and 3x weekly SJU also. LAX was discontinued in Apri
76 Post contains links kingcavalier : And here is a little more - http://tampabay.bizjournals.com/tamp...bay/stories/2002/11/04/daily7.html It mentions LAX, SFO and LAS. I saw a blog that
77 oflanigan : It would be cool right. But seriously what are the chances, nil? Maybe old USA3000 cities? Just a thought
78 Post contains links and images mariner : Add SEA and SAN to that, too - or at least, announced: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/ATA+IN....+PETERSBURG+DEPARTURES-a018373026 Very few of the ATA
79 Post contains links and images mariner : Dan Webb is an av.nut who runs a smart blog called "Things in the Sky." He has a junior love affair with Frontier and has posted a good piece about th
80 PlanesNTrains : Well, it sounds like SEA and SAN would have been "direct" service, but interesting nonetheless. -Dave
81 Post contains images point2point : Maybe they aren't going to move over the DEN-TPA route just so soon? I guess if anyone from DEN really wants to go to PIE on F9 they could always con
82 PlanesNTrains : Or drive over the bridge. It seems interesting that someone could presumably book DEN-TPA PIE-MKE-DEN. I wonder if anyone would do it? -Dave
83 AirframeAS : Me neither. A lot of us at F9 (on the MX side, folks I still talk to) think that the c-check is never coming back and will continue to be outsourced
84 Post contains images mariner : I did say it was in my head. I've been running airlines - in my head - since I was about eight. I have no idea how much interest Frontier has in St.
85 YXwatcherMKE : What is all this talk about PIE possible becoming the next focus city or hub. come on guys they are just trying out a new airport to see if the cost s
86 Post contains images bjorn14 : and she's usually lower maintenance too but then again I got lucky.
87 MCI10 : Yes we are land locked. There are only two more gates we can get in the area we are at now. That is gate 87 and 88. And AA is on the other side of us
88 YXwatcherMKE : I don't see that happening there either. And if they do move from their current location they lose the International gate advantage. Sounds like they
89 bjorn14 : With all due respect I don't see any of these cities working for MKE except maybe BUF and seasonally JAX/SAV. Unless your planning on building a fort
90 YXwatcherMKE : But we here in MKE land are tired of getting to our destinations via another hub. Maybe just maybe if we have enough connecting traffic we would get
91 norcal : Lynx update: Republic and Lynx pilots are reporting that Lynx pilots will start training on October 4th to fly the Q-400 on the Republic certificate.
92 Post contains images Atlwest1 : Like it or not thaty "other airline" is there to stay and that "other airline" with the exception of SAN will keep the west coast traffic year round
93 Post contains images mariner : I very much hope that Frontier does adopt some aspects of the Allegiant model. In some cases they've already done so. The idea is to be profitable, a
94 MKENut : Apple and Funjet are always shopping around for competitive charters. Frontier has a chance to land some of that business for sure.
95 mariner : I believe they have big capacity purchase agreements with both, for scheduled service as well. mariner
96 MKENut : I still have my doubts about MKE - BKG. There have been bargain basement sales on that route lately which tells me it isn't doing so well.[Edited 201
97 mariner : I do, too, I was surprised when they announced it. But I assume that it has at least some of the same revenue guarantees as DEN-BKG, and that's been
98 pilotfox : Anyone know if any planes are getting repainted, its after Labor Day....
99 MKENut : I hope something comes up for conversation... It's been really slow in the Frontier Airline news dept. these last couple weeks.
100 Post contains images Tigerguy : Well, we could do like some other a.netters like to do and just make up our own news and facts...
101 Post contains images mariner : Oh, I dunno. I thought the news about the OMA expansion and MKE-PIE was pretty good - and LIR. mariner
102 Atlwest1 : Very very true. Thats why some of the things apple had are being implemented and benefit the charter and scheduled biz. Think soft product upgrades a
103 sideflare75 : I'll take a look tomorrow when I get to work. As a side note even though it isn't painted on the outside, 868 has new green seats and WiFi installed.
104 loggat : They aren't activating wifi until around November timeframe. They said they want it on most of the fleet first.
105 Post contains images mariner : Sorry, I have no idea what that means or how it relates. Frontier and Apple have been doing business together for a long time. mariner
106 USPIT10L : They're running bargain-basement prices on PITMKESFO and PITMKESEA, so what difference does that make? I am starting to understand why they're cuttin
107 mariner : You don't think the order for E190's and the intention to phase out some of the smaller aircraft suggests that have figured that out? mariner
108 Post contains images Atlwest1 : LOL sorry to much wine earlier. Basically Apple/Funjet had a list of requirements that they wanted FL to take care of to make the charter flight expe
109 YXwatcherMKE : As Mariner stated I think the Management has figured that issue out with the order of the 24 E190/5. The statement that was made when they announced
110 mke717spotter : As much as I'd like to see MKE-MSN/GRB/ATW/etc. be upgraded to all E170, I'm pretty sure they're going to have to keep at least a couple of the small
111 Post contains links enilria : Enjoy this... It says UA spent $330 million in legal fees while in Ch11. I wonder what F9's cost? My jaw dropped at the UA number. http://money.cnn.co
112 norcal : UA was in a very extended bk, it's no wonder it was so costly. I'm sure F9's legal fees are measured in the tens of millions, probably a lot less unl
113 sideflare75 : I saw one 145 in for paint right now. A/C 270. Scheduled to be done around the 17th. So yes they are ramping up the painting again like they said the
114 mke717spotter : I agree, all of the Embraers in the generic colors should be the first ones to go.
115 enilria : No doubt, but still a staggering number.
116 knope2001 : Leisure traffic tends to drop off a cliff in September. From what I've seen the Branson loads from MKE were pretty good this summer...at least the fl
117 USPIT10L : Not really, at least not during the peak travel season. Our new, three-daily flight schedule just started this week, and I'm working for someone this
118 Post contains links and images mariner : I've done a web news search, but this is the only article on this matter I can find, and I think it deserves a mention: http://travel.usatoday.com/fli
119 n7371f : Well this is sort of interesting...a former colleague who now is with CBS sent me a clip of Bedford in the up-coming season of CBS' 'Undercover Boss.'
120 Antoniemey : Probably because there's a better chance that the average person watching the show will know who Frontier is... and he may be doing the work shown on
121 Post contains links knope2001 : Frontier lowered the 2nd bag fee from $30 to $20. Nice to see yet another fee decreased or eliminated by them, as opposed to the general direction mos
122 ytib : Free PR as well. No one will know how to buy a Republic ticket which will give money to another airline anyways. However Frontier will be happy to ge
123 Post contains links mariner : CAK did well in August: http://www.cantonrep.com/stark/x1470...Airport-enjoys-busiest-August-ever "Akron-Canton Airport enjoys busiest August ever" Gi
124 n7371f : Go check out today's Denver Post which has a write up on Southwest's latest attempt to get more share in Denver. It's a outdoor porch on the 16th stre
125 Post contains links Tigerguy : Link to above story: http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_16076426 One of the reader comments was interesting: "If they are so "dedicated to Denver,"
126 mariner : I guess as long as it takes. I've said for years that I think they will surely become #2 at DEN - and maybe #1 if they are so determined. I'd be quit
127 F9Animal : I would like to see F9 fly from DEN to CLE. Now is the time. CVG would also be a nice market to add!
128 airportguy1971 : With the (mostly) pull down of Lynx and the loss of an E-170 and 4 A-318's I expect that WN will be the #2 carrier in DEN by Oct, Nov at the latest.
129 Post contains links LAXintl : SWA is the largest airline in California, but still spends all types of money here with community outreach marketing, from participating in parades,
130 n7371f : Good reply. Yes, WN is a great marketer - they act a lot like the old PSA did in terms of community based stuff. The painting of a push-back tow tug
131 pilotfox : Another E145 is out of the paint shop and arrived in MKE this morning, it looks like the tail is a fox (N270SK). Another E145 went down to IND this mo
132 Post contains links and images kingcavalier : Good news - Is it this tail? View Large View MediumPhoto © Brian PetersView Large View MediumPhoto © Manas Barooah[Edited 2010-09-16 06:04:28] N806
133 pilotfox : No, its a baby Fox I believe
134 Post contains links and images kingcavalier : That's good because I think that fox tail fits better on an E170/E190. Like Luke the Lynx on N501LX it must be another Lynx tail. This is a fox named
135 timf : Just a theory, but I'd expect to see the following: ERJs get former Lynx tails. E170s get the same tails they had previously. E190s get tails used by
136 beryllium : “A fare and yield premium” over WN on 75% head-to-head cities out of DEN is all great (if it were true)… Quick glance at the most recent quarte
137 bahadir : I am sure it will happen eventually.. On the other hand , you may see F9 in markets that are not enterable (I made up the word) by Southwest either b
138 KDEN : All financial results have already been discussed, so I'm not going to go there again, but you do bring up something that I think should be addressed
139 beryllium : AA has 600+ aircraft (per their fact sheet), NK has about 30 (per theirs). NK is profitable, AA is not. Do we have a serious problem because of that?
140 Post contains images mariner : This came up in another thread and - probably controversially - I believe Southwest has already done more than that at DEN. I don't regard this prese
141 KDEN : Right. How long do you think is fair for a company to settle out all of the side-effects of an acquisition (especially for a company that was in bank
142 beryllium : Sure, the size of operation translates into different revenue (and cost) numbers. But, you don't have to compare in absolute terms. There is a good m
143 Post contains links and images mariner : Here's an interesting one. Airtran has announced TPA-SJU as 2 x daily. Airtran To Start TPA-SJU (by HeavyMX1 Sep 16 2010 in Civil Aviation) In pretty
144 ERJ170 : jetBlue announced 1x daily going to 2x daily the following month.. so it's gonna be interesting..
145 jgrantco : Hi all, been enjoying the discussions on this thread for a few weeks. Just had jump in seeing the TPA-SJU posts and going from 1 per day to 3 or 4. I
146 jgrantco : Wanted to add, in case some want to know who is this stranger. I worked for DL many years, was part of the crew that opened up the DL DEN Res office b
147 n7371f : These numbers are irrelevant to my post - WN vs F9 at DEN. I'm not talking about network vs network. Go research the head-to-head numbers from the mo
148 Antoniemey : So would I... just booked a January excursion to Seattle for me and my wife on CO... as much as I love CO, I hate having to connect through Houston o
149 beryllium : I don't have to research anything. (You can post the numbers if you have them). The point is that as long as F9 cannot find the way to operate profit
150 norcal : You'll likely see AA drop this route in the future and use their interline agreement with B6 to feed their network. AMR is shrinking so fast that the
151 airfrnt : Indeed. If the rumors are correct, and UA is about to start a epic draw down of the DEN hub, WN is positioned to benefit from that withdrawal. F9's s
152 mariner : I think that's always been the real battle - although Frontier might be simply collateral damage. I've never believed that Southwest came to DEN spec
153 RJNUT : X1533/17SEP *REPUBLIC AIRLINE INC MCI 910A 81 MSY C3 1105A 9MCI/SHIP701 EQPEM7 *0828*IND0RB 3MCI/ETD 1715 MX-MECHANICAL *1551*IND0RB 2MSY/PRE 1904 *15
154 norcal : They probably need the aircraft there.
155 SurfandSnow : Ah the a.net rumor mill! This one is fairly sensible, if only because B6 has tried numerous spokes already (EWR, IAD, SDQ, and now TPA). However this
156 Post contains images AirDX : For your viewing pleasure, N270SK- fresh from the paint shop...
157 Post contains links kingcavalier : A Shuttle America E170 will be on static display today for those attending the Family Aviation Festival at IND. Republic is donating the use of the ai
158 Post contains links mariner : Some interesting sponsorships - with the critters involved - for three year contracts: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fro...ps-2010-09-21?reflink=MW
159 bahadir : I carried lotsa college football fans on Sunday's SEA-MKE red-eye .. I guess the marketing to college football fans is working out good
160 n7371f : Nebraska fans heading back to OMA via MKE following their nuke job on the Fuskies.
161 Post contains links n7371f : Well, here we go with ASE again. Flight Global quotes Shurz as saying F9 is going to try and get the E190 and if not, the E170 certified in ASE. Artic
162 FRNT787 : This is the first quote I have seen regarding definite jet plans regarding ASE. Should be interesting.
163 Post contains links mariner : There's another interview, in Flight Global this time, with Daniel Shurz about international expansion. It's pretty much the same as he said in the la
164 point2point : This article also states: Frontier vice president strategy and planning Daniel Shurz says the Denver-based carrier will not ad any other destinations
165 Post contains images SurfandSnow : This is certainly more transparent than previous announcements, though I must commend a.net for having it all figured out (and explained in great det
166 mariner : I haven't been to Mexico City for about five years, but I've been there a lot and I've never found it dangerous. The very mild chaos is part of its c
167 Antoniemey : I wonder if they might partner with some Wisconsin schools... Or maybe a college near Kansas City or Omaha?
168 Post contains images rampart : I can see a jayhawk on a tail. But a cornhusker? Wha'ts a cornhusker?? And does it belong in the Frontier animal menagerie? Or were you thinking Crei
169 point2point : Hmmmm....it's not....that...difficult...is it? I don't speak a word of Spanish, but if I were a counter agent, I think that I could be able to figure
170 JBo : Although the Frontier Airlines Center is not a sports venue. As for animals on the tails for sports teams ... it'd be kind of redundant to have anoth
171 Post contains images airportguy1971 : A very interesting comment from someone who is so vehemently apposed to this airline serving MEM... I've lived in the mid-south, and have family in t
172 MKENut : I would love to see more MKE - International routes but I'm afraid Frontier may not be the airline to that will do more than just some Mexico routes.
173 n7371f : With the exception of Toronto, there isn't enough demand for Montreal nonstops or Vancouver, unless perhaps a few months in the summer - and that wou
174 mariner : I can only speak as I find. I have never had a problem in Mexico City - I accept that others may have - but as you obviously recall I did have proble
175 Post contains links airportguy1971 : Then you are very lucky. I do not want to go back there. Ever. Travel Warning - U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE - Bureau of Consular Affairs Memphis in 2010
176 bjorn14 : Pretty much a divers market, I don't know too many who just go there to hang out on the beach. They have some nasty sand fleas.
177 mcg : My neighbors (in Denver) go to RTB once or twice a year to dive. I think it could work from DEN 3 or 4 days a week.
178 mariner : Canada has proven to be a difficult market for the LCC's. No matter how much anyone thinks it should work, the few that have been tried haven't worke
179 mariner : I edited one word in that post and a whole bunch of it disappeared (and some got underlined), and it doesn't make sense so I'll try again: "I don't k
180 MKENut : You are right mariner, something weird happened to MKE - YYZ. O&D Traffic dropped like a rock for both YX and Air Canada. I don't think Air Canad
181 norcal : IBT supposedly called management out for violating the RAH scope clause by trying to have Lynx pilots fly the Q400 on the Republic certificate before
182 kingcavalier : This makes sense. I've got a friend who works at Lynx in Broomfield and she says she has now been extended until January.
183 Post contains links point2point : Just an FYI about PIE On Tuesday, the airport released details of its marketing agreements that provide fee waivers for one year amounting to $85,000
184 mariner : Thanks, that's one of the more interesting articles I've read in a while. I suppose I am slightly surprised that TPA feels the need to get into the a
185 point2point : You're welcome, my pleasure. And yes, it is interesting to know the actual $$$s that the airports give out to get what they want.
186 GentFromAlaska : Just a thought concerning the DCA slots. F9 may want to emulate G4 and connect the Pentagon to the closest city serving any of the top five military i
187 bjorn14 : Fort Bragg is in Fayetteville, NC which is currently served by AA, DL and US.
188 YXwatcherMKE : About 10 days ago word was that another E145 was headed to the paint shop, has it returned and are there any E170 or 190's in the paint shop and when
189 F9Animal : I went to MEM for training when I worked at NW. I went to this little cozy tavern near the hotel, and the food was down right great. As far as race,
190 n7371f : To the few on here who actually work for F9 in DEN - are you completely out of the CO hangar? I was there Sunday & saw no sign of F9 at the hangar
191 pilotfox : Looks like N269SK is back from paint. It has a raccoon on the tail. I'm not to sure if another plane went down to IND for paint or not.
192 sunking737 : This just in............WN BUYING FL !!! This is big news for everyone. Just how will this effect F9? WN just got alot bigger in MKE, MCI, & ATL.
193 kingcavalier : I believe it affects F9 the most in MKE. With MDW's close proximity WN might right size MKE and stop the foolishness that is happening there. Does WN
194 point2point : I have to say that they sure kept this under wraps pretty good. One of my concerns here now, as has been for a while, is not only the effects this pu
195 kingcavalier : The WN/FL deal may not be all bad news for F9 and Republic. WN is going to be very, very busy with the integration and might not give a second though
196 dfanucci : Not really suprising and quite honestly it's a pretty good move for Southwest. They will get to put tires down in places they have wanted.... I person
197 point2point : Sun Country - small, fleet incompatibility, personally I don't think it adds anything to F9 Jet Blue - lots going on with them, getting very cozy wit
198 kingcavalier : And WN says as much in their new integration web site. They flat out say that there won't be checked bag fees, no business class and no assigned seat
199 enilria : Thanks!! I should note that RIC is not existing and should be OUT and they have said there is a legal reason they have to drop DFW. I don't think it
200 TVNWZ : Republic/Frontier has to be smiling in MKE. You know the FL hub there has got to go. WN will not keep the RJ's around that Skywest flies. And the east
201 RJNUT : I agree..i dont think the current Air Tran route map will be recgnoizable within 5 years time! almost like a Reno Air dismantling! I do wonder , thou
202 SLCPilot : Do you ever talk to pilots!?! Ask ALL the Frontier pilots you know where they'd rather be now. 1) stapled to SouthWest with pay/seat/domicile guarant
203 norcal : Agreed There will be no stapling of FL pilots. WN has cone out and said this and it is now illegal to do so. FL pilots will be making more money than
204 mariner : I agree. I think this is good news for Frontier. I think there may be some shake-out stuff to go through, but it solves a number of problems. MKE wil
205 Atlwest1 : I respect you Enilria but part of the reason they are merging is to gain the 35 cities that Southwest doesn't fly to now that FL does and expand on t
206 Post contains images mariner : Well, maybe. I'm not there in the boardroom, I don't know what's being said. It's just how it looks to me. I thought Airtran's MKE-CUN, for example,
207 Atlwest1 : Mariner you are correct(as you usually are) on most of your points. This is the next LCC Frontier so to speak. Airtran has the systems which Southwest
208 TVNWZ : Are you counting the Skywest feed? Because that will surely go away with Southwest, no? And if that goes away, doesn't that affect the profitability
209 Post contains images mariner : I'm sure they will be fine, I don't think I suggested otherwise. But there will be battles, just as there is presently a new battle for TPA-SJU, and
210 mariner : I think I'm counting Skywest. Based on the last figures I saw Airtran had about 27% share at MKE (ex-Skywest), Southwest had about 8.5% and Frontier
211 MostlyAir : Also notice that SkyWest and Delta were the losers in the airline market.
212 JBo : Yes it is, I believe this agreement was formed as a way for SkyWest to keep aircraft flying that were displaced by the termination of its YX contract
213 mke717spotter : There's a pretty good amount of routes that FL/WN overlap on in Florida and at BWI, will this give them any problems with the DoJ?
214 Atlwest1 : This is true. I think its a mixed bag of sorts. I think the potential for F9 in this is pretty big. Perhaps a portent of things to come? I mean heck
215 mariner : That's one of the unknowns - how the DOJ will react. I assume it will mostly go through, I don't see any neon-red flags such as EWR was with Continen
216 point2point : In a way, things may equalize a bit in that, the purchase was $1.4B, and all of this cash reserve the WN had to wage whatever war it wanted is not so
217 Post contains images bjorn14 : Maybe now F9 can get back their old IATA code...FL
218 rampart : That's funny! I like it. What was Valujet's old code, BTW? -Rampart
219 RW170 : ValuJet was J7.
220 Antoniemey : The morning news here in Cleveland made mention of the merger... they said Southwest was prepared to move its operations to CAK, though I'm sure they
221 Post contains links mariner : In looking round for red flags, I've found very few. I guess (?) this will sail through the DOJ. But there is one small issue I don't know about - MD
222 SJOtoLIR : This route would certainly never happen given the lack of capability at LIO in order to attend jet mainline operations. Even after the earthquake in
223 enilria : Cleveland, and Ohio in general, have been bludgeoned by airline consolidations. I don't have enough fingers to count all the Ohio hubs and focus citi
224 sunking737 : I believe now is the time for Frontier to upgrade there F/C product. I have never flown F9, so I am not sure what its like. With WN dropping FL F/C or
225 Post contains images mariner : And here, for once, you and I are in agreement. I don't think it will all be beer and skittles, I think there will be some big challenges here for Fr
226 FRNT787 : I agree with you on this. This could create some very interesting opportunities for F9. I think the Omaha expansion is evidence they are willing to g
227 MCI10 : Dont think you will see a first class but maybe they could change the Stretch Seating up a little bit. I say in Stretch take out the middle chair so
228 enilria : I posted almost that exact thing in one of the myriad of threads going on. It is odd. They must be sucking. The only downside is if WN decides to sta
229 mariner : I have no doubt they will stay at MKE, and I assume they may grow at MKE. I don't see this as negative, because the spoiler, the bottom pricing airli
230 Post contains images enilria : Stay yes, hub I don't know. A hub there is superfluous and as I said surely they will move the NE slots elsewhere which will destroy the hub anyway.
231 Post contains links and images mariner : The Midwest cookie - voted one of America's favorites by Bob Appétit readers: http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/food/...-in-america-2392861/#photoViewer
232 Post contains links point2point : Away from the WN/FL merger news, it seems as if F9 is looking to get either the E170 or E190 certified for ASE, as per Flight Global. This doesn't say
233 FL787 : The only constant left in MKE...
234 Post contains images Tigerguy : A nice list, but they left out the best cookies of all: (1) the ones offered to you by the passenger sitting next to you when they don't want theirs;
235 Post contains links mariner : While we're at it, Huff Post has a compilation of the best 23 airline commercials ever. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._718250.html?ref=fb&
236 point2point : Wow, #1 is WN, #2 is F9, and #3 is UA, the big 3 at DEN. I guess you gotta have good commercials for such a competitive market....
237 Antoniemey : Interesting that they chose that particular commercial...
238 Post contains links alphascan : As usual, the Huffington Post can't get anything right (pun intended). Here is a link to the greatest airline commercial ever produced. http://www.yo
239 pilotfox : They have started taking down the Midwest Signage in MKE tonight. The ticket counter is the first to be changed.
240 KGRB : Do you know what the plan is for signage on the YX hangar? I see the old 'Midwest Express Airlines' sign *finally* came down, but it's been blank for
241 enilria : Wasn't that exact story printed a year ago and nothing happened?
242 Post contains links mariner : Cranky Flier has a good piece about the Southwest/Airtran merger today: http://crankyflier.com/2010/09/29/fr...in-from-the-southwestairtran-deal/ Cran
243 Post contains links planemaker : "Poisonous piece" is a little bit dramatic considering that the article is populated by statements not made by the reporter... http://www.denverpost.
244 Post contains links mariner : So I'm a drama queen. LOL. If - as writer - I take a position and then go looking for analysts in support of that position, they are not hard to find
245 knope2001 : What's just a head-shaker about these sorts of worries is that the place where Frontier is making money is in fact Denver where Southwest as "put the
246 loggat : Sorry to tell you that management has now decided that for each cookie flight, only enough cookies will be boarded per flight for 70% of the passenge
247 mariner : Yet I believe the figures show that the take-up rate of the cookies is really quite low, on all "non-Midwest" flights. Nor do I see how all the numbe
248 kingcavalier : I was on an E170 yesterday which had its seat converted to Frontier's green leather. I was surprised since I thought the interior conversions were low
249 kingcavalier : That was only true for about half a day. It was changed to 1 cookie per seat. 162 cookies are boarded on an A320, 136 cookies are boarded on an A319,
250 beryllium : That will depend on what WN plans are in regards to MKE and F9. Frontier's hopes are that due to MKE proximity to MDW, WN will scale back current FL'
251 mariner : I think the folk at Frontier would be fools if they are hoping for that. mariner
252 beryllium : F9 is not hoping that WN will scale back FL's MKE operation? They already know that the bloodbath in MKE will continue until someone falls?
253 Post contains images TVNWZ : As a one-time big YX cookie eater I would always ask for a bag of the leftover cookies to take into the office at my destination city. Always got abo
254 mariner : They're not assuming that it will. Southwest CEO Kelly has made that very clear. One of the three has fallen. mariner
255 Post contains images rampart : WN inherits a major FL presence in MKE. They don't need the hub* (always the asterisk), but why would they minimize the major presence if FL has been
256 FL787 : The LGA and DCA slots are valuable and needed elsewhere in a combined WN/FL. That and the end of the OO feed would make FL's hub not sustainable. WN
257 Post contains images beryllium : Nonetheless, the major portion of the Cranky Flyer article that you have posted is dedicated to some "potential gains in MKE". If F9 is not assuming
258 mariner : You'll have to ask Cranky what he thinks might happen, I can't speak for him. I only know what has happened, and - so far - the past two days Southwe
259 Antoniemey : I doubt anyone, even the most naive of people, truly believes that will be the case. Of course they're hoping WN will scale back. That doesn't mean t
260 Post contains links and images Tigerguy : We now have a New Frontier/Republic #14. You are invited to mosey on over to keep on talking. In fact, Lobo said he'd bite you if you didn't...
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