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AZ's LAX-FCO Service. Success?  
User currently offlineLuvTheFlying From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 33 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4631 times:

Just wondering how this route is doing for AZ. It's been around 3months since they reintroduced this route for the 3rd time.

If this route failed for them twice before, why would they come back in?

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

Loads were never the problem for AZ at LAX. They tended to fill the planes pretty well. Just the revenue mix was questionable being mostly leisure and low yield connecting traffic.

Anyhow their two month June/July LF has been 89.1%.

For the winter they are reducing the route 3x weekly.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineGlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4576 times:

As mentioned above, loads were never a problem on this flight, it's been the yields (which in the past were terrible due to low cost traffic in the back, minimal cargo, and less than desired premium traffic). This is a common theme on TATL routes (especially from ORD and DFW).

User currently offlineLuvTheFlying From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4510 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
Anyhow their two month June/July LF has been 89.1%.


Thxs for the LF, Hope the 3rd time is the charm for AZ


User currently offlineFlyvny From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4459 times:

There is no reason that AZ should stop service at those loads.

User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1481 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4408 times:

I am happy to see the route doing well. West Coast nonstop to Italy is great. Reducing for winter makes sense when demand lowers.

User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4367 times:

Quoting Flyvny (Reply 4):
There is no reason that AZ should stop service at those loads.



loads have nothing to do with it. You can have a full plane and not make any money off the flight. Yield management is one of the key factors in making a flight profitable.



John@SFO
User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4233 times:

Quoting Flyvny (Reply 4):
There is no reason that AZ should stop service at those loads

I guess you never heard of Eastern Airlines and how they went kaput- with full planes.


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 3960 times:

What aircraft do they fly this route with? Will it be recieving an upgraded interrior? Perhaps an improved premium product will help them attract the higher end premium traffic with hopefully better yield to make the route profitable.

Are there even plans to refit the 777s and the AP A330s with the new interrior?


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4069 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 3720 times:
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Quoting smi0006 (Reply 8):
What aircraft do they fly this route with? Will it be recieving an upgraded interrior? Perhaps an improved premium product will help them attract the higher end premium traffic with hopefully better yield to make the route profitable.

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I think this route has a much better chance of survival now that they are much more connected with their SkyTeam partners, in particular AF-KL! This will help them out in the long run. It seems LAX's T2 is more of a Sky Team Terminal now with AM, AF, KL and AZ there now.

I'm sure they plan upgrades to their 777s. Why wouldn't they? That doesn't even make sense unless they are planning on taking them out of service which would affectively mean they would have to stop flying some routes because of range and capacity issues.


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