Lindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3087 posts, RR: 15 Posted (12 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 850 times:
Sorry folks--another topic about San Diego.
I'm curious about possibilities for expansion of air services between San Diego and destinations in Mexico. Over the past twenty years, there has been some fluctuation in the services offered by US and Mexican airlines from San Diego. Currently Alaska Airlines and Aeromexico both offer daily flights to Los Cabos in Baja California. However, in the past, Western Airlines (DC-10) and Continental (MD-80) had nonstop service to Mexico City. I believe at one time Aeromexico (MD-80) and Aero California (DC-9) flew to Guadalajara. I distinctly remember that at one point Aero California flew three flights daily from SAN to various Mexican destinations, but I don't recall which they were.
Could anyone provide info about former flights from SAN to places south of the border? I would also welcome comments on the possibility of future developments across the border.
AA-SAN From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 139 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 817 times:
Seems you have all the flights I can remember from the past. In the near future I think that it is very unlikely we will see much expansion until a new airport is built. We may see some additional leasure markets served, but with the success that the Mexican airlines are currenlty having luring travelers to Tijuana, I think that they will stick with this service instead of moving to SAN. There just isn't room for expansion at SAN and there is plenty of room for growth south of the border. This could all change with a new aiprot though.
Rlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1038 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 814 times:
First off there is not going to be a new airport in San Diego in our lifetime. It is curious thet there are so few flights to Mexico from SAN. The demand must not be there or else we would see the flights.
Regarding TIJ. I don't see how that many people could be lured over the border just to catch a flight. Why would someone want to drive to Mexico to fly there. There are many Mexicans who would not mind if the fare was that much cheaper. But the chances of an American wanting to go into TIJ is not very realistic.
Trvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 23 Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 808 times:
Actually, there are two reasons why Americans drive south of the border to catch flights within Mexico: One, the price, and two, the fact that the flights they are taking do not have to clear customs at their destination (as they would if they had taken off from the United States).
I bet most Mexican airlines feel that since they can viably tap the San Diego market from Tijuana (as I would think most people wanting to travel within Mexico would live closer to the border), what is the point of opening up a station at Lindbergh Field? There are already gate space problems there. Right now only Alaska Airlines and Aeromexico have flights to Mexico from Lindbergh, both to the resort destination of San Jose Cabo. Aeromexico, if I remember correctly, has nonstop flights to Mexico City during the winter, when I assume the demand for VFR travel is up all throughout the county. I doubt that in the future we will see many more flights to Mexico from SAN; the only possibilities I can think of are Aeromexico making MEX a year-round nonstop destination (currently 1-stop through Cabo), as well as Mexicana serving MEX. United's large operation at SAN (which is conveniently located right next to the new International Arrivals Hall) could probably easily support its Star Alliance partner with gate space for departing flights, as well as ancillary services.
If a new airport opened tomorrow, we would probably see a few more flights to Mexico from San Diego. However, as a new one won't be finished for at least 10-15 more years (if we are lucky), I'm figuring that sooner or later demand will require an upswing, albeit fairly small, in Mexican flights.
Lindy Field: Don't worry. Keep the topics about SAN coming .
Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 799 times:
The main impediment in the past has been bureaucratic. The Port District (the San Diego airport operator) had to convince Customs to keep a facility open longer and staff it better. And then the Port had to be convinced to build a new international arrival/customs facility. The new Customs facility should increase the number of flights airlines are willing to schedule. I've flown into San Diego from Los Cabos when both the Alaska Air and Aeromexico flights arrived at the same time. The old customs area was completely inadequate and overwhelmed to process just two narrow body flights.
I'll try not to repeat my comments in prior posts about xenophobic Americans who are unwilling to use Tijuana's airport. I've flown from there plenty of times. Fellow Yanks....get over it. That airport is just fine. Get used to it. It's the airport of San Diego's future, too (keeping Lindbergh as well). Those who think there will be a new one built somewhere in land starved San Diego where there are plenty of rich NIMBYS (Not In My Back Yard) are dreamin',
Rlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1038 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 791 times:
Cut the xenophobe crap. You tried that before and it did not work then. I think you would have to look long hard to find airline travellers who would go into accept the hassle cost and risk of driving to the airport in Tijuana. And yes I have been there.
Show us numbers of how many people choose to go to TIJ over SAN.
Johnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2534 posts, RR: 7 Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 786 times:
I think San Diego has had a long history ranging from benign neglect to outright hostility regarding its neighbor to the south. Only recently have the city fathers (and mothers) realized that San Diego will never be the pre-eminent city in the Southland, with the pre-eminent airport. It's not Los Angeles and it shouldn't try to follow the same path. Its fate lies with Tijuana.
Re: TIJ.....I think numbers would probably be increasing, but many people would not want to leave their cars parked there. There should be scheduled Mexicoach service from Sante Fe Station direct to TIJ via the Otay Mesa border crossing. Why not make it as easy as possible?
Surely the Mexican airport authorities would have Americans fill out the tourist card form also, even if leaving from TIJ?
Rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 775 times:
I flew to SAN twice on CO from MEX (non-stop) and it is much better than flying to TIJ and taking a cab and then the trolley. But the reson CO ended the MEX-SAN flight was the overserved MEX-TIJ route. Today we have 7 mexican airlines with schedule flights to TIJ from MEX and CO claimed they weren´t making money, because they had to lower fares to attract people for the MEX-SAN flight. So I don´t think we will see new flights from SAN to a Mexican destination soon.
I also remember AeroCalifornia flying to Loreto from SAN once, but I think they drop it soon after started.
If any of you had been in TIJ recently you would see that the airport is under construction. They are making new jet ways, more stores and more space for travelers, so TIJ will be growing because the new mexican airlines want to fly there (Azteca for example just started two daily flights last week).
Trvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 23 Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 766 times:
Bicoastal: You really should drop it with the xenophobe stuff. Although I'm sorry to say that it exists, it's obviously not the only, and definitely not the main, reason that people in San Diego would rather have an airport that is more centrally located than TIJ. I wouldn't want to drive all the way down there to catch a flight more than I'd like to drive up to Camp Pendleton. And the shuttle bus option you propose to get people to the airport from North County for international flights isn't very logical as well. What city do you think has more passengers going to and from Europe or Asia: Tijuana or San Diego? San Diego, of course. It would be more logical for there to be a shuttle system whose main purpose is to transport passengers to and from an airport in San Diego and Tijuana.
I am all for the expansion of Tijuana airport; Tijuana is one of the most vibrant and economically active cities in Mexico, and I think we will see significant growth at the airport in the future. I think that TIJ would be a great place to build a new cargo hub, a kind of reincarnation of the Brown Field idea. However, I find it hard to see why any passenger airline would want to move its flights from Lindbergh Field to Tijuana, or split its flights for that matter. I wouldn't be surprised if bitter battles take place between the airlines, the public, and the Port Commission if flights are forced to be moved to TIJ. TIJ is obviously not the best choice for a new airport for San Diego; the option should be kept open, however, because it looks like the inaction of the planning agencies here and ignorance of NIMBY's will be too hard to overcome in order to find the best site.
SR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 786 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 763 times:
Well I guess the reason why SAN doesn't have decent service to Mexico is the same reason we at TIJ don't have enough service to the US even though much smaller cities in southern mexico have services some of the big US hubs. For the US airlines it makes sense to concentrate their operations at SAN and for most mexican airlines it's better to stay at TIJ, makes little sense to have 2 stations so close together.
About passenger numbers of San Diego residents driving south to fly south, hmmmm well I can't say for sure, from pure observation, it depends a lot on the route and airline, the AeroMexico flight to Havana on Saturdays is loaded with americans, but that doesn't count cause it's to Cuba But usually, especially on flights to beach destinations you see a few americans on board, and also on business destinations like Mexico City there are always a few. So I'm sure San Diego contributes some to TIJ's passenger base, it may be troublesome to get here for some, but the trouble may be well worth it if you consider that by driving some miles south you have access to more mexican destinations than you would have from any other US city. And I am sure that it's the same the other way around, most Tijuana residents are not thrilled when they have to cross the border and drive to SAN or LAX to catch a flight to San Francisco, Las Vegas, or connections to Europe or Asia, everybody prefers driving 10-30 minutes to their local airport to having to spend 40 minutes or more driving to an airport across the border; but hey, maybe it's better than we might think, we in Mexico have relativley easy access to many US flights, and the people in San Diego have access to a great variety of flights all over Mexico.
Rojo: Are you sure they are building new jetways?? that would be really nice, I haven't been there since April, and I remember that one of the jetways on the B pier wasn't working, there always seem to be some jetways out of order. Ever since the airport was privatized things have been steadily improving, every time I visit things look a bit better, I really like the airport when it's not crowded However the problem is not the jetways or remodelling, the problematic areas are the passenger waiting areas and ramp space wich are very insufficient at certain times, from around 10am to 3pm it is terribly crowded, last time I flew in we arrived just in time cause the next 2 planes that arrived had to wait in the taxiways for a gate to clear for at least 25 minutes, I certainly hope Azteca does not schedule their flights at peak times !!
Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 754 times:
New Yorkers drive all the way to JFK and Newark, Washingtonians drive all the way to Dulles and Baltimore, Londoners drive all the way to Heathrow (in usually horrendous traffic), Denverites drive all the way to Denver International. Been to Narita recently from downtown Tokyo? San Diegans have to get used to the idea of driving further to an airport. If San Diego grows as some desire (not me), multiple airports will be supportable.
As for as the xenophobe thing, I'm not trying to start something but simply want to provide what I think is the main reason San Diegans are reluctant to use Tijuana's airport. Even if access were improved....and in my opinion it's really not that bad....they'd still resist.
Rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 753 times:
I remember they were working on a jet-way last time I went to TIJ, it looked brand new. They were also improving some facilities and AeroMexico is working on the expansion of their Salon Premier wich will feature big and confortable areas. I know that work in Mexican Airports is slow, but at least they TIJ is being improved. And that is because they are getting a lot of money from the TUA they charge to passengers.
And by the way, flying on rush hours to of from TIJ is quite a mess.