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Freedom Is No More  
User currently offlinedsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 899 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10195 times:

Today was Freedom (F8) last day of operations. The final flight was a DTW-BNA repo that landed around 2300CDT.
Mesa Air Group is down to just one operating subsidary, Mesa Airlines.


GEAUX SAINTS!
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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4263 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10136 times:

Let me cry a tear for them real quick.

Ok.,,now we can continue with the rest of this thread. My question is now that F9 is gone, how will this affect the rest of the MAG bankruptcy proceedings?


User currently offlineCrosscheck007 From Poland, joined Jan 2010, 278 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10103 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 1):
now that F9 is gone

WHO KILLED FRONTIER?!   


Cheers,  

007



Je l'attends pas un homme. J'apporte le parti, j'apporte le feu d'artifice.
User currently offlineberyllium From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10035 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 1):
My question is now that F9 is gone

Ha-ha... this one is still in the works... for now, it's just F8 (how close though)...  


User currently offlineatcsundevil From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 1202 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9919 times:

Quoting dsuairptman (Thread starter):
Mesa Air Group is down to just one operating subsidary, Mesa Airlines.

No, they still have Go!



1954 1974 1990 2014 -- Los geht's!
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39857 posts, RR: 74
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9892 times:

Will we ever get our Freedom back?


Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineRedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 754 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9730 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 4):

No, they still have Go!

Well, actually, Go! is on the same operating certificate IIRC. Both the Go! operation and the US/UA Express operations are really all part of the Mesa Airlines subsidary.

Correct me if I am wrong...


Mason (RedTailDTW)



Northwest Airlines. Now you're flying smart! (RIP 1926-2009)
User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9664 times:

Quoting beryllium (Reply 3):
this one is still in the works

Hardly.

I have to wonder if and how long Mesa will continue to operate independently... and if anyone might buy them if they get too close to going under.



Make something Idiot-proof, and the Universe will make a more inept idiot.
User currently offlineatcsundevil From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 1202 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9582 times:

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 6):
Well, actually, Go! is on the same operating certificate IIRC. Both the Go! operation and the US/UA Express operations are really all part of the Mesa Airlines subsidary.

Correct me if I am wrong...

Yes, technically they all operate under the Air Shuttle callsign and are YV/ASH. Despite it being on the same operating certificate, it is considered to be one of five separate entities of Mesa Air Group, also including Mesa Airlines, Freedom Airlines (now defunct), Air Midwest (defunct for two years), and contract carriage for UA/US/formerly DL. However, technically Go! and go! Mokulele (not in the bankruptcy filing) are subsidiaries of Mesa Airlines, which is a subsidiary of Mesa Air Group, although MAG considers them to be individual entities. Confused? Yes. Their management and organization is a complete mess.

I don't see how they'll ever dig themselves out of the massive hole of debt they're in -- someone will have to buy them to survive longer than another year or two. UA and US keep cutting their contract with Mesa and I wonder how long it will be before they go along with Delta and replace Mesa entirely.



1954 1974 1990 2014 -- Los geht's!
User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9567 times:

Freedom actually disappeared a few years ago when Air New Zealand absorbed their aircraft and routes...  http://www.airliners.net/photo/Freed...d=d0c81dd7e6c6f5d480bb7e4eeadd318e

That is of course SJ and not F8


User currently offlineHNLPointShoot From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9326 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 8):
I don't see how they'll ever dig themselves out of the massive hole of debt they're in -- someone will have to buy them to survive longer than another year or two. UA and US keep cutting their contract with Mesa and I wonder how long it will be before they go along with Delta and replace Mesa entirely.
Bachi for what they did to AQ, if you ask me.


User currently offlinenorcal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 day ago) and read 8874 times:

Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 7):
I have to wonder if and how long Mesa will continue to operate independently... and if anyone might buy them if they get too close to going under.

Mesa still hasn't present their plan of reorganization to the court yet. They'll have an opportunity to do that before anyone else can buy them.

Personally I hope they don't survive and are bought out, or if they do survive that it is with out JO and company. All the Mesa employees would be much better off under new leadership.


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1612 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 day ago) and read 8821 times:

I worked one of their flights on their last day. The crew was very gracious and showed no bitterness towards us as some other F8 crews had this past week.


Hey Swifty
User currently offlinedsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 899 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 13 hours ago) and read 5113 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 8):

Legally you're wrong. Go! is nothing more than a marketing brand and holds no legal standing as a seperate entitiy. Just like the USX/UAX flights Mesa operates, Go! also operates on the Mesa Certificate. To paint a clearer picture, it is nothing more than a paint job, just like the USX/UAX aircraft, they all operate as Mesa Airlines.

The intellectual rights to Go!/Mokelele were excluded from the bankruptcy, however that does not apply to Go! CRJ-200 aircraft which are assigned to Mesa Airlines, which is party to the bankruptcy proceedings.



GEAUX SAINTS!
User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 13 hours ago) and read 5027 times:

doesn't Mesa have some sort of stake in Henan, which had the crash in China last week or so? Is that going to be affected by the bankruptcy? Is there some asset there that can be sold to raise money?

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (4 years 12 hours ago) and read 4878 times:

Quoting dsuairptman (Thread starter):
Today was Freedom (F8) last day of operations. The final flight was a DTW-BNA repo that landed around 2300CDT.

The last 10 flights all ended up in BNA.....



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineca2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 12 hours ago) and read 4732 times:

Quoting norcal (Reply 11):
Mesa still hasn't present their plan of reorganization to the court yet. They'll have an opportunity to do that before anyone else can buy them.

Out of curiosity, do you know how many extensions they've been granted? Seems there has been little to no news on that front.


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2045 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (4 years 12 hours ago) and read 4491 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 15):
The last 10 flights all ended up in BNA.....

Yesterday around 9AM I got to stop in over at the observation parking lot off Briley to see the "new" 20R/2L for a few minutes. Just before leaving I noticed a small bunch (probably 5 or 6) T-Tails parked right next to the FedEx 306. I couldn't get a great view, but was wondering what all these were doing there. I guess I now know the answer...



As Seen On FlightRadar24! Radar ==> F-KBNA5
User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2001 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (4 years 12 hours ago) and read 4392 times:

Who owns these ERJ-145s?

Quoting tharanga (Reply 14):
doesn't Mesa have some sort of stake in Henan, which had the crash in China last week or so? Is that going to be affected by the bankruptcy?

The airplane was insured...shouldn't have much affect other then if they were trying to sell the asset.


User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4263 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 hours ago) and read 3936 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 14):
doesn't Mesa have some sort of stake in Henan, which had the crash in China last week or so? Is that going to be affected by the bankruptcy? Is there some asset there that can be sold to raise money?

Mesa has sold their shares in Henan long ago due in part to their dire financial situation. This happened before the bankruptcy filing. So no they can't sell that to raise money, since they already have. I did find the crash to be ironic due to the mesa tie though.


User currently offlineatcsundevil From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 1202 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 hours ago) and read 3003 times:

Quoting dsuairptman (Reply 13):
Legally you're wrong. Go! is nothing more than a marketing brand and holds no legal standing as a seperate entitiy. Just like the USX/UAX flights Mesa operates, Go! also operates on the Mesa Certificate. To paint a clearer picture, it is nothing more than a paint job, just like the USX/UAX aircraft, they all operate as Mesa Airlines.
I'm not sure how what I said was wrong; I said they're under the same operating certificate, which equates to them being one corporation with several different brands. Go! is a subsidiary of Mesa Airlines which is a subsidiary of Mesa Air Group in terms of corporate structure; however, Mesa Air Group considers them to be one of five (current and former) entities. Legally, they are one company with one operating certificate regardless of what color the airplane is.


What I said first was the legal part of it, since it is on the same operating certificate....
Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 8):
Yes, technically they all operate under the Air Shuttle callsign and are YV/ASH.


What I said afterwards was the corporate structure part of it...
Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 8):
Despite it being on the same operating certificate, it is considered to be one of five separate entities of Mesa Air Group, also including Mesa Airlines, Freedom Airlines (now defunct), Air Midwest (defunct for two years), and contract carriage for UA/US/formerly DL. However, technically Go! and go! Mokulele (not in the bankruptcy filing) are subsidiaries of Mesa Airlines, which is a subsidiary of Mesa Air Group, although MAG considers them to be individual entities. Confused? Yes. Their management and organization is a complete mess.


Not sure how I was wrong since most of what I said was what you replied, just in different words, but maybe you read something I didn't....



1954 1974 1990 2014 -- Los geht's!
User currently offlineoffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 hour ago) and read 2981 times:

So no more F8 and no more MX in the same day.

Still looks like the best way to make a small fortune in the airline business is to start with a big one.



To no one will we sell, or deny, or delay, right or justice - Magna Carta, 1215
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