PM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6882 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6019 times:
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 1): deliveries for 789 will run from 2015 to 2018
Wow! Their first delivery will now be more than seven years later than their initial plan?!
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 1): What have they ordered/leased to manage the delay?
I guess the answer is more A330s.
They ordered 20 A330-200s in July 2005 and took delivery between 2006 and 2008.
They ordered 15 787-8s in August 2005 for delivery from 2008. Obviously, they never arrived.
They then ordered 20 more A330s in June 2008 and later leased three more from AerCap. The three leased planes (all -300s) have been delivered this year in March, May and June. The first of their second direct order for 20 A330s (all -300s, I think) should be delivered late this year or early next.
En passant, Air China with 43 will be the largest operator of A330s.
PlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5495 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5480 times:
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 15): NZ , the launch customer for the -9 switched their order from the -8 ( for which, incidentally , they were the second launch order , after NH , way back when it was still the 7E7 )
pnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2235 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4686 times:
Many of the orders signed were done so with the intent of getting into the delivery schedule while the 789 was being defined. Until the design is frozen and details released, the 789 was just an estimate. Now that 788 numbers are known through testing, and the 789 is a more known entity, it is quite reasonable and expected that some will further define their orders for the 789. For example, AC has a clause that says up to x amount of days prior to commencement of manufacture, they can alter the exact model. They have the same clause with their 777's. This enables the airline to get manufacturing slots and yet have some flexibility to match market conditions and route needs.
Unlike the spin that some have and will make, it isn't a slam against the 788. Once the airlines mentioned above were receiving their 788's anyways, they would have been above promised specs. It would be pretty stupid to order an aircraft when you weren't happy about the specs.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15729 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4624 times:
Quoting keesje (Reply 3): An industry source close to the 787 program tells FlightBlogger that all the Chinese 787 customers are working to renegotiate delivery of their share of the first 20 production aircraft "officially for payload reasons."
That's only the first tranche. The later 787-8s will be up to spec, and the 787-9 was always going to have the longest range anyway.
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 18): No doubt, like any airframe, there will be swaps within the family based on evolving needs/capabilities.
Exactly, and I'm inclined to think that this is probably what this is more than anything. At this point it seems they just decided that the -9 fit their needs better.
[Edited 2010-09-01 18:35:25]
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