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UA Merger And SEA  
User currently offlineflybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 2 days ago) and read 10174 times:

UA used to have pretty big presence at SEA. In fact I used to be able to fly UA throughout the Pacific NW without having to switch over to AS. Over the last 10 years that has slowly become more and more difficult. Terminal N is now more AS than it is UA.
I would love to see the new merger give UA a boost in SEA. I still prefer them over AS, mostly because of their larger national network, Star Alliance, and more diversified fleet (that and channel 9!!).

Any thoughts on UA going back to "mini hub" status in beautiful Seattle?


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 days ago) and read 10171 times:

Quoting flybynight (Thread starter):
Any thoughts on UA going back to "mini hub" status in beautiful Seattle?

IMO, no. I don't think it would go that far anymore. UA has already downsized the station and AS it taking over N, like you said earlier. I think the new UA lost out on this opportunity to expand. Methinks that the new UA will be on the B concourse.



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 days ago) and read 10139 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
I think the new UA lost out on this opportunity to expand.

Yeah better call DL if you want to set up nonstop trips to the pacific out of SEA nowadays. And who would have thought DL would have a presence in SEA say 10 years ago?



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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9355 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 days ago) and read 10041 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 2):

Yeah better call DL if you want to set up nonstop trips to the pacific out of SEA nowadays. And who would have thought DL would have a presence in SEA say 10 years ago?

DL still isn't that large at SEA, IIRC it only around 30 flights a day. MCO/BOS/LAX are larger DL citys. (2x the size)

Quoting flybynight (Thread starter):

Any thoughts on UA going back to "mini hub" status in beautiful Seattle?

At this point i would say no. If UA adds anything back out west it will be IMO via DEN or SFO.



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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 days ago) and read 10011 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
Methinks that the new UA will be on the B concourse.

It would be nice if WN would move out of B so CO/UA could claim B and possibly open a larger PC.



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9849 times:

UA/CO will not turn SEA or any city for that matter into a focus city. Neither airline really has any focus cities in the same manner that AA and DL do. Both UA & CO run point to hub operations, with hardly any point to point flying (which would be required for a focus city). I don't think that strategy will change post merger.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25202 posts, RR: 48
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9773 times:

Sorry, don't see United making much of SEA, and matter of fact see it shrinking as Skywest exits markets in PNW flying as its Brasilia get parked.
I'm also really waiting for the next shoe to drop with small'ish UA SEA crew base get closed as part of the merger integration.

[Edited 2010-09-01 18:50:38]


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User currently offlinenetjets21 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9676 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
I'm also really waiting for the next shoe to drop with small'ish UA SEA crew base get closed as part of the merger integration.

Will that happen though? It seems like UA has the market for US Legacy carriers flying to Asia from there. I don't believe that any other US Legacy have nearly as many flights to Asia as UA has do they?


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9618 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 2):
Yeah better call DL if you want to set up nonstop trips to the pacific out of SEA nowadays. And who would have thought DL would have a presence in SEA say 10 years ago?

DL, like UA in recent years have downsized the SEA station too. Before the merger ever came about, DL destroyed their old hangar as they had no use for it and NW then built theirs in that spot. Now NW and DL merged... with that new hangar, the irony is existent. And DL has been serving SEA for decades, BTW.

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 4):
It would be nice if WN would move out of B

There was talk about moving them to A and use A1-A6 or A7, IIRC. But that never came about. Before the old A concourse was demolished and rebuilt, WN used A1 for flights alongside with the current B gates they still use today.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
Sorry, don't see United making much of SEA

  

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
I'm also really waiting for the next shoe to drop with small'ish UA SEA crew base get closed as part of the merger integration.

I originally thought that was closed ions ago, hence the downsizing they have been doing in recent years.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30928 posts, RR: 87
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9605 times:
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I'd hate to see the crew base go. I'd put UA's SEA crews up against anyone for friendliness and professionalism.

I still prefer taking UA between SEA and NRT then heading down to SFO or LAX and connecting to NH.


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9355 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9605 times:

Quoting netjets21 (Reply 7):

Will that happen though? It seems like UA has the market for US Legacy carriers flying to Asia from there. I don't believe that any other US Legacy have nearly as many flights to Asia as UA has do they?

for SEA Delta is larger to Asia than UA.
1x daily NRT 777 on UA vs Daily NRT(333) KIX(763) and 5w PEK (763) on Delta.

as for Asia all together, I'm not sure who is larger.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 8):

DL, like UA in recent years have downsized the SEA station too. Before the merger ever came about, DL destroyed their old hangar as they had no use for it and NW then built theirs in that spot. Now NW and DL merged... with that new hangar, the irony is existent. And DL has been serving SEA for decades, BTW.

post merger DL's numbers are up, and id expect them to keep growing.



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9414 times:

Quoting netjets21 (Reply 7):
Will that happen though? It seems like UA has the market for US Legacy carriers flying to Asia from there. I don't believe that any other US Legacy have nearly as many flights to Asia as UA has do they?

UA has a bunch of crew bases like SEA that I think they'll keep around because it reduces crew cost expenses in terms of layovers. JFK, BOS, and LAS also come to mind.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 8):
L, like UA in recent years have downsized the SEA station too. Before the merger ever came about, DL destroyed their old hangar as they had no use for it and NW then built theirs in that spot. Now NW and DL merged... with that new hangar, the irony is existent. And DL has been serving SEA for decades, BTW.

Not talking about MX work, I'm talking about destinations served. DL also got the SEA Hawaii flights with the NW merger. Pre merger DL, they only really flew SEA-ATL/CVG/JFK/SLC and before that DFW/PDX. Since the NW merger, DL's presence at SEA has only increased. Having said that, many stations throughout the DL network are like SEA in that they increased their ops not because DL was bigger before the merger, but because NW already had their ops. in place for the combination of the two. SEA is one of those large former NW stations. Ditto IND, MKE, LAS etc.

IIRC also back in 1999-2000 UA flew SEA-LHR.



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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9355 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9407 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 11):
Pre merger DL, they only really flew SEA-ATL/CVG/JFK/SLC and before that DFW/PDX

and LAX off and on.



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User currently offlineflybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9293 times:

Well at least SEA should get more flights to EWR with the merger and hopefully more ANC flights. It would be nice to have more competition on SEA - ANC.


Heia Norge!
User currently offlinenetjets21 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9284 times:

Quoting flybynight (Reply 13):
Well at least SEA should get more flights to EWR with the merger and hopefully more ANC flights. It would be nice to have more competition on SEA - ANC.

I would hope for some SEA-FAI flights as well!


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5902 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9209 times:
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Yeah...I would imagine Skywest is out first, followed by SEA-LAX service. Lastly, UA will discontinue its SEA-NRT route and leave it for someone like NH or JL to try...doubt it. Maybe DL will upgrade to 777.

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9185 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 11):
Not talking about MX work

Neither was I.



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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9355 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9085 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 15):
Yeah...I would imagine Skywest is out first, followed by SEA-LAX service. Lastly, UA will discontinue its SEA-NRT route and leave it for someone like NH or JL to try...doubt it. Maybe DL will upgrade to 777.

1) I wouldn't expect SEA-NRT to be cut....but it may be shifted to ANA.
2) I would pretty much bet LAX-SEA stays, it is a key market from LA and it would have more carriers on it if it wasn't for codesharing.
3) DL putting the 777 on SEA-NRT over the 333 would be a cut in seats.   (but it is a Boeing...so i could see how people would want it over the 330 :p )



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User currently offlineSuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8948 times:

I may be the one guy that says it may indeed increase. By departures, Seattle is the largest (or 2nd largest) non hub in the UA/CO system - even bigger if you include all of Star. I think LAX will see (some) mainline return when CRJ-700s get deployed to Houston and Newark. While I don't see a dramatic increase in Seattle - all of Star flying, I could see some growth and possibly a few new cities.

I also think that United will get back more of the North Satellite as there really is no gate and counter space together to put them anywhere else but North.


User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8840 times:

Quoting SuperDash (Reply 18):
I also think that United will get back more of the North Satellite as there really is no gate and counter space together to put them anywhere else but North.

I'm pretty sure AS taking over N is a done deal. As for counter space, I'm pretty sure there's still plenty of space by CO's counter, especially if they redo them and make those counters nice looking, but not as interesting as the counters for AS.



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User currently offlinebahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1780 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8757 times:

I was commuting on UA to base last week and was told that N gates are going to be done soon and UA will move to B gates. They also told me so far the crew base is untouched.


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9619 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7031 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 11):

IIRC also back in 1999-2000 UA flew SEA-LHR.

That was 1991.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 15):
Yeah...I would imagine Skywest is out first, followed by SEA-LAX service. Lastly, UA will discontinue its SEA-NRT route and leave it for someone like NH or JL to try...doubt it. Maybe DL will upgrade to 777.

SEA-LAX went to CR7 since there is so much competition with the fare war between Virgin and Alaska. UA was the odd man out when yields plummeted and kept the service with regional jets rather than cut it. The demand is there for SEA-LAX and I believe it has the highest load factor out of SEA on UA.

SEA-NRT has been around for a while and while having lower loads than other flights to NRT, its also has less competition. SEA-NRT has two airlines compared to LAX-NRT with 6.



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User currently offlinejunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6521 times:

UA will have service to 12 cities from SEA after the merger (ANC, IAH, EWR, CLE, NRT, ORD, SFO, LAX, DEN, IAD, GEG, PDX). Does anyone know what the peak number of destinations served from SEA has been in the past for UA?

User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5509 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6425 times:

I believe they've served YVR, PAS, YKA, RNO, OAK, SMF nonstop at one point or another, but I don't know what others and I don't know a greater timeline. Possibly also EUG?

-Dave



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User currently offlinejunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6377 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 23):
I believe they've served YVR, PAS, YKA, RNO, OAK, SMF nonstop at one point or another, but I don't know what others and I don't know a greater timeline. Possibly also EUG?

I think those are all right including EUG. It seems to me though that UA mainline departures may actually be higher then ever after merger.


25 mtnwest1979 : PSC, YKM correcting above. Also YYJ, BOI, I know YV served LWS/PUW as UAX thru PDX, not sure if from SEA. SJC SAN Not EUG though.
26 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Oops. Crossing over my railroad and airline codes. -Dave
27 Post contains images mtnwest1979 : Adding, was there EAT-SEA on a UA coded carrier,too? All my tt s are in storage now in another state, so can't just go look for myself anymore lol.
28 STT757 : They dropped all but one daily SEA-HNL.
29 GlobalCabotage : SEA will be a large "spoke" in the UA/CO network, but not much more than that. AS is the dominanct carrrier in the market, and as mentioned above, DL
30 Western727 : I believe, but am not positive, that there was service on this route on a 1900D.
31 jetjack74 : Din't UA run SEA or SFO-MFR in the late 1980's? I remember seing 2 UA 737-200's at the terminal back in 1989.
32 Western727 : I remember there being SFO-MFR 732s circa 1992. I am not able to recall one way or the other on the SEA though.
33 mtnwest1979 : UA flew to MFR from SFO and at varying times RDD and ACV (1985 ish) and DEN. And I seemed to be in error as to SEA-EUG. I think UAX did SEA-EUG and RD
34 Gman3 : Slightly OT, I am New York based. Our base isn't going anywhere. Now with the merge with Continental, we expect that we will be a three airport base.
35 TOMMY767 : NYC base for UA makes sense especially for the PS flights. UA has trimmed down SEA quite a bit but it has held up better then say EWR and MIA which b
36 Western727 : I too recall UA's SEA heyday...arriving at Sea-Tac Airport in the 80s and 90s by car one typically drove right past the N terminal with its multiple
37 EricR : So, essentially, the only non-hub cities SEA serves is GEG, PDX, and ANC (maybe throw in NRT). Let's face it, these locations are served from SEA do
38 burnsie28 : That would actually be a downgrade...
39 alexinwa : That is surprising I would think the new UA could move to A. WN could stay at B and all other could move between A and D. With the move from AS isnt
40 N174UA : 1991-1993 only. They used a 763. Especially with the 787 eventually entering service... Also, UA also once offered nonstops to JFK and RDM as well fr
41 jjeff : Yep, for years actually. As I recall, it was 74L tag to HKG. Then down-gauged to D10. Then 757. Then 320/319. Then cancelled.
42 cslusarc : Speaking of SEA and NYC, I think that on March 27, 2011 that EWR - SEA will transfer to Pre-Merger UA 757-200s as they are better fit for a 2401 mile
43 TOMMY767 : Really? Very interesting news. What about EWR-SFO/LAX/LAS?
44 nwaesc : SEA-EUG service was flown at least as late as 1996. YV did the flying with B1900D's. BLI was flown from there as well. As for LWS, it was definitely
45 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Only if I worked for a railroad or airline. That was when you'd see UA flights arrive in SEA and hold for a gate. Not anymore from what I can tell. -
46 STT757 : He said: Obviously he's expressing an opinion, not reporting news.
47 alexinwa : Never recall it being a D10, it went 74L to 762 to 757 to 320/319, not to split hairs. It started as a 74L, then was a 763. Also Shuttle By United at
48 TOMMY767 : Could have sworn I saw it on the route map in Hemispheres magazine in 2000... Gotcha. The 3/27/11 date was rather misleading.
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