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Frontier Launches OMA-LAX/SAN/PIE  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7643 times:

Frontier has announced non-stop year-round service from Omaha to Los Angeles and San Diego, each 3x a week, as well as the resumption of seasonal non-stop service to Orlando and new service to St. Petersburg that replaces service to Tampa. I wonder if Frontier is planning to move all Tampa service to PIE, following the recent move of all Houston service from George Bush to Hobby.

PR: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fronti...ounces-bw-2891203356.html?x=0&.v=1


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24631 posts, RR: 86
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7651 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
I wonder if Frontier is planning to move all Tampa service to PIE, following the recent move of all Houston service from George Bush to Hobby.

I hope so.  

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User currently onlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7624 times:

Good news for Omaha residents. I'm sure the expanded service will do well

And not exactly daily flights, but they can always add on if service is successful.

And PIE eh? Between that and the not having the flights daily, maybe learning a few things from G4?


User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1753 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7596 times:
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WAAHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5221 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7214 times:

It's nice to see something new at SAN to start off next year on a positive note!

From a SAN perspective, an unexpected destination, starting at an unusual time of the year for us, with a bit of a peculiar schedule, but my hopes are high that it will work. (Midwest did serve this route in the past for a short while but it was, to the best of my recollection, only about once a week -- Sunday only? -- and I think it was in one direction only...)

This is obviously set up as one of several winter sun-destinations from Nebraska but I could see both SAN and LAX getting increased frequencies as the year goes forward. (DOT O&D stat's show about 100 PDEW for the last year in the SAN-OMA market, including last winter, so the E-190 could possibly do fine year round...)

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[Edited 2010-09-02 09:06:07]

User currently offlineloggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7182 times:

Anyone else find it odd that OMA can support SAN service, but MCI can't?


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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7147 times:

Maybe this is just my impression, but it seems like the Great Plains/ Midwest region has become a focus for a lot of airlines recently.

For example:

DL in STL and IND.

F9 adding routes from OMA. They also have their MCI focus city (or do they consider it a hub now)

AA adding flights to RAP, FAR, FSD

FL in MKE

G4 adding routes on a consistent basis in the Great Plains / Midwest region


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5221 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7145 times:

Quoting loggat (Reply 5):
Anyone else find it odd that OMA can support SAN service, but MCI can't?

   The lack of SAN-MCI continues to have me scratching my head, loggat, you bet...

The only thing is WN flys SAN-MCI twice daily -- and has for a long time -- but nobody is in the SAN-OMA market now... (But of course WN was flying SAN-MCI right along side YX's 2x daily flights a couple of years ago and they both apparently did OK at that time.)

bb


User currently offlineRaginMav From United States of America, joined May 2004, 375 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7134 times:

Quoting loggat (Reply 5):
Anyone else find it odd that OMA can support SAN service, but MCI can't?

I would say it remains to be seen if OMA can support SAN service... Didn't Express Jet try this and fail? Maybe it was some other So Cal destination, I can't remember.

Anyway, as an OMA resident I'm glad to see this! I belive the LAX flights will do just fine.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6577 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7132 times:

Quoting loggat (Reply 5):
Anyone else find it odd that OMA can support SAN service, but MCI can't?

MCI already has twice-daily non-stop service to SAN... on Southwest.


User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1891 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7099 times:

OMA-PIE sure is odd. OMA-TPA didn't do so hot last season from what I heard around the airport. I'm sure OMA-LAX and MCO will do great and I'm very intrigued by the SAN service. Expressjet operated OMA-SAN on ERJ-145s a while back but I'm not sure how it performed.


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User currently onlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7064 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
I wonder if Frontier is planning to move all Tampa service to PIE

And after that, how about Phoenix service to AZA?


User currently offlinedc-9-10 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 583 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7059 times:

Quoting RaginMav (Reply 8):

I would say it remains to be seen if OMA can support SAN service... Didn't Express Jet try this and fail? Maybe it was some other So Cal destination, I can't remember.

Anyway, as an OMA resident I'm glad to see this! I belive the LAX flights will do just fine.

I have heard that OMA-SAN is a very good market for the airlines running to the west out of OMA. Express Jet did fly this route and I think it might have been one of their better routes at the time, but we all know how that experiment ended up. Frontier is already in a better position though because they and Midwest have been in the OMA market for a long time and have a loyal following and are using a better sized aircraft. I think there is the potential to eventually make the SAN route daily or at least 5x weekly while I bet if Frontier is aggressive they could do LAX at 2x daily. It is just unfortunate that it looks like the OMA-DCA route is going to get the ax.


User currently offlineN809FR From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 181 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7038 times:

How are the facilities at PIE? My understanding is that TPA is supposed to be a very nice airport, which I'll find out for myself tomorrow morning...

User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2021 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6995 times:

Many airlines use PIE. SY has gone from PIE switched to TPA and then switched back to PIE. SY service is seasonal. Maybe F9 will use both PIE & TPA, like G4 uses both SFB & MCO.


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User currently offlineRaginMav From United States of America, joined May 2004, 375 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6995 times:

Quoting dc-9-10 (Reply 12):
It is just unfortunate that it looks like the OMA-DCA route is going to get the ax.

What a shame, of all the routes being discussed here that was the most important to the business of Omaha.


User currently offlineberyllium From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6963 times:

Quoting loggat (Reply 5):
Anyone else find it odd that OMA can support SAN service, but MCI can't?

On MCISAN they would be face-to-face with WN - so, entering this market will be like entering a boodbath. It is not the best prospect yield-wise (and profitability-wise as well), On the other hand, OMASAN is uncontested. Hence, in theory there is a better chance of charging higher fares, and getting better yields in OMASAN than in MCISAN.

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 10):
OMA-PIE sure is odd. OMA-TPA didn't do so hot last season from what I heard around the airport.

PIE is a lower-cost alternative to TPA, serving essentially the same geographic region.
F9 must constantly look for ways to cut costs to stay alive, and it should not catch by surprise if eventually they decide to move from more expensive TPA to cheaper PIE (just like they did in Houston, moving from IAH to HOU).


User currently onlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6949 times:

Quoting dc-9-10 (Reply 12):
It is just unfortunate that it looks like the OMA-DCA route is going to get the ax.

They haven't lost it yet. It's just being reviewed/resubmitted, whatever the process is called, and F9 may make a good case for keeping the route, and they may get it awarded to them, since this is the only OMA-DCA service at present. So can we really be able to say that it's over until it's over?

And since the F9 management has been aware of this for a while, I know they've been quite busy with other things, but maybe they've prepared themselves for a successful presentation/bid of why they should keep the route as well.


User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 879 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6801 times:

Quoting RaginMav (Reply 8):
Didn't Express Jet try this and fail? Maybe it was some other So Cal destination, I can't remember.

ExpressJet operated the route until they ended ExpressJet branded flying. I thnk the route did well.


User currently offlineadamblang From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6792 times:

Effective November 18th, all MKE-TPA flights will be MKE-PIE.

http://frontierair.tekgroupweb.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5223



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User currently offlinerwfa From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6777 times:

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 10):

Not sure about the yields, but as for loads, they were always full when I worked them. I know yields are what are important though. Good to see some new routes, and the return of older one's. And the same could be said about the OKC-TPA-MCO routes, they were always full when I worked them, but the yields were terrible. Passengers were begging us to keep the route.


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1268 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6779 times:

Express Jet did SAN-OMA/OKC/TUL as far as the midwest is concerned. I believe OMA did well. Not sure about the other two.

User currently offlineexFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6680 times:

The PIE strategy is interesting, caught me by surprise - I really didn't see a major airline offering service to PIE anytime soon. It'll be interesting to see if they move the DEN service to PIE as well - that could be a harder sell to Hillsborough County residents, but a split operation doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Quoting sunking737 (Reply 14):
Many airlines use PIE.

Not really, other than Allegiant and Sun Country's seasonal service (?), all PIE has these days is Vision to Gulfport/Biloxi, two Canadian charter companies with seasonal service, and two tiny charter operators offering service to the Keys and the Bahamas.

They've already got Frontier slapped up on their website, though!

And does Sun Country still fly to Tampa or St. Pete? I tried finding a flight on the Sun Country website to either airport, found nothing, they're not on the Sun Country Vacations page, and neither TPA nor PIE is on the route map. TPA is on the Airport Information tab page. Sun Country is still listed on both TPA and PIE's websites.


User currently offlinejoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 924 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6583 times:

OMA-SAN AND OMA-ONT both did well. OMA-ONT was a little slow to start but once it was around awhile, started to perform pretty well. Both were 2x daily ER4.

What is really going to hurt F9 is not being daily. Business travelers will barely use something that isn't daily.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24631 posts, RR: 86
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6551 times:
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Quoting joeljack (Reply 23):
What is really going to hurt F9 is not being daily. Business travelers will barely use something that isn't daily.

That comes up a lot with this new Frontier, and it seems not to be the case.

mariner



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25 DiamondFlyer : Perhaps they are trying to get themselves out of the larger market airports and into the smaller ones, so that when the regional contracts are up for
26 mariner : LOL. I can't imagine Delta cares one way or another whether Frontier serves MKE-TPA or MKE-PIE. mariner
27 TVNWZ : I think the MKE-PIE is a tactical move against FL. Instead of having to defend both TPA and SRQ, you cut the difference to PIE and serve both. Lots of
28 USXguy : I actually think the move to PIE is a smart one.. its "more central" to the population center of the Tampa/St. Pete region... and as someone mentioned
29 beryllium : It's not as complicated as that. They just want to serve Tampa Bay region out of MKE, and since budgets are a bit tight, they look for a less expensi
30 phatfarmlines : Anybody know if F9 will re-start OKC-TPA/MCO seasonal service?
31 exFATboy : But most of the region's population growth is currently to the northeast, and passengers coming from there drive right by TPA to get to PIE. Time-wis
32 SANFan : Since there have been a couple of posts regarding the SAN-OMA service offered by XE, here are a few details. The service started in May of 2007 (2x da
33 mariner : As with OMA-LAX, I really don't understand why this is an issue, and sorry, SANfan, but if they go to daily with this in the start-up winter I doubt
34 CALPSAFltSkeds : Maybe they can make it work, but 3 days per week with afternoon westbound flights to SAN and LAX with dinnertime returns is not good timings. Maybe it
35 SANFan : I'm in complete agreement with you (as usual) Mariner. I said: I guess I wasn't clear enough but I was not suggesting that F9 should increase frequen
36 GentFromAlaska : I suspect the flying public utilizing PIE will also enjoy the activity at the Coast Guard Air Station across the runway and co-located at PIE. HC-130
37 Post contains images mariner : I think we probably agree more than we disagree. My point is really this - I guess, more and more, I am sympathetic to Michael O'Leary's position at
38 peanuts : All I know is: friends I have, and their friends, from the DSM area wouldn't think twice about not driving to OMA for a better deal (price or nonstop
39 TVNWZ : I want to see you do it in that time. I do it often. Unless it's the middle of the night and your going like a bat out of hell, It's about 20 or more
40 exFATboy : I've done it...admittedly, I have a bit of a lead foot, but not that bad. You can't do it at the peak of the commute, sure, but I've done it on a Sat
41 Post contains links mariner : I assume that the first moves to PIE are toe-in-the-water. I guess they'll know quite quickly if there is passenger resistance or preference. There's
42 Post contains images exFATboy : Oh, I agree - PIE is no harder to use than TPA overall, the minor hassles of surface streets are offset by the convenience of a small airport (althou
43 mariner : Above my pay scale. LOL. I doubt PIE will ever appeal to those who absolutely, positively have to be in Tampa Central, but there are a lot of airline
44 mkirch72 : PIE just completed a multi-million dollar renovation of the entire airport terminal, check-in, gates, customs (yes, there is a customs area due to fl
45 mkirch72 : And just to confirm -- it's seasonal 2x weekly service to Omaha, but also a daily, year round A319 service to MKE.
46 boydatageek : I think it is more of an East Coast/West Coast thing. Folks in the East tend to go to Florida more often and have a better sense of the Geography abo
47 Post contains images mariner : There may be some truth to that. They're now showing both TPA and PIE on the route map - but they're also still showing MKE-TPA as well as MKE-PIE. I
48 GentFromAlaska : I'm curious if a P2P shuttle between NYC and PIE would work. PIE and PHF would be neat paring.
49 Post contains images mariner : Very neat. mariner
50 exFATboy : I'm not sure what you mean by a "shuttle" - to me that's a high frequency business-oriented route like Boston-NYC-Washington - but in theory there's
51 GentFromAlaska : Shuttle was probably not a best choice of words. My thought process was F9 might want to consider flying two non-stop round trips daily between any o
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