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American Airlines B787's May Fly JFK-London  
User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 882 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 19959 times:

Source: http://www.thestreet.com/story/10846...in&cm_ven=outbrain&obref=obnetwork

"Among the routes where American(AMR) could fly its Boeing 787s, tentatively scheduled to begin arriving in 2014, is New York-London, CEO Gerard Arpey said.

The plan is (to) retire 767s" when the 787s begin to arrive, as well as to grow internationally. The 767s fly trans-Atlantic, trans-continental and Latin American routes. Flying the 787 between New York Kennedy and London Heathrow airports is a possibility because the route is among the carrier's most important, he indicated, especially given recent regulatory approval of a trans-Atlantic joint venture between American, British Airways and Iberia. "

[Edited 2010-09-02 05:42:31]

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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 19821 times:

I'd say they were nailed on certainties to fly them JFK-LHR as one of their first routes. Will be a sharp looking bird.

One thing though - given that they are CRFP, can they be polished up to AA's trademark silver finish?

I remember the early A306s AA had were painted in a strange dull gray instead of polished up and they didnt look very good - i hope AA can maintain the chrome finish.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7247 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 19719 times:
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This is pretty comical since AA uses 777 on 98% of it's flights to Heathrow. Ourpay is playing the pr game (again). It's not working (again).

User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1479 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 19714 times:

What about the F and J seating on AA's 787 ? Will AA finally install fully-flat beds in J class to compete with BA, VS, DL and CO ?

User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 783 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 19651 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 2):
This is pretty comical since AA uses 777 on 98% of it's flights to Heathrow. Ourpay is playing the pr game (again). It's not working (again).

As was mentioned on another thread, they are hoping to go to a half hourly 'shuttle' at peak times so smaller aircraft would be logical.


User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 882 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 19538 times:

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 4):
As was mentioned on another thread, they are hoping to go to a half hourly 'shuttle' at peak times so smaller aircraft would be logical.

Would there be enough slots for that???


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 968 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 19403 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 2):
This is pretty comical since AA uses 777 on 98% of it's flights to Heathrow. Ourpay is playing the pr game (again). It's not working (again).

Don't be surprised when the 787-9 becomes AA's 772ER replacement...


User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1583 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 19278 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
One thing though - given that they are CRFP, can they be polished up to AA's trademark silver finish?

I remember the early A306s AA had were painted in a strange dull gray instead of polished up and they didnt look very good - i hope AA can maintain the chrome finish.

If they can give it the same kind of silver paint as the McLaren F1 racing cars, that would be absolutely awesome    But I've heard somewhere that such a paint job is rather expensive and heavier as normal paint.



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 19237 times:

IIRC, wasn't AA's 787 order predicated on the ok given by the pilots? Have the pilots given their ok, yet?


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User currently onlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1326 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 19059 times:

So much for the much hyped Boeing route fragmentation then ...


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User currently offlineSeatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 18965 times:

Snore. Another super-exciting announcement from AA   . I was sort of hoping for something a little more exotic (i.e. CO's IAH-AKL). I should have known better.

User currently offlineCOalways From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18875 times:

Kinda dissapointing PR after CO annouces IAH to New Zealand & Africa. Maybe AA will have a change of plans once the 787 arrive.

User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18751 times:

Quoting COalways (Reply 11):
Kinda dissapointing PR after CO annouces IAH to New Zealand & Africa. Maybe AA will have a change of plans once the 787 arrive.




Why is it disappointing to have American announce service with a new aircraft in what is arguably the worlds #1 international market?


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18730 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
Quoting fxramper (Reply 2):
This is pretty comical since AA uses 777 on 98% of it's flights to Heathrow. Ourpay is playing the pr game (again). It's not working (again).

Don't be surprised when the 787-9 becomes AA's 772ER replacement...

Since they arent getting the A350, it is safe to say that AA will be centred on the 789 for a 772ER replacement. Dont see them buying the 7810 even if it is launched so the 789 is the only game in town.

Can the 789 do all the missions AA's 772ERs do with the same payload?



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineCOalways From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18678 times:

Becuase u have a new state of the art aircraft that has long range and it only going to be put on a route that's barely 6hrs long in one direction, since the likes of CO & DL having a rubost international network and just thought that they would make a PR Spalsh like CO did with there 787 routes. Example if they would have announce future plans/hints like MIA-CAI or DFW-ICN this would have had 80 comments already. No big deal though.

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8325 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18678 times:
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Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
Can the 789 do all the missions AA's 772ERs do with the same payload?

So many of AA's 777 are less then 10 years old, its premature to speculate when they are retired when teh 767-200 are still flying. AA may end up with an international fleet of only 787-9, who knows?


User currently offlineaircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18617 times:

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 4):
Quoting fxramper (Reply 2):
This is pretty comical since AA uses 777 on 98% of it's flights to Heathrow. Ourpay is playing the pr game (again). It's not working (again).

As was mentioned on another thread, they are hoping to go to a half hourly 'shuttle' at peak times so smaller aircraft would be logical.

Am I the only one to find that level of fragmentation ridiculous? What is the limit? Using ERJ-170s at every 5 minutes for the BOS-LGA shuttle? Or the successor of the 737 to run JFK-LHR every 15 minutes? It is like trying to compress a limo fare with a public-transit-bus frequency.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18462 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 15):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
Can the 789 do all the missions AA's 772ERs do with the same payload?

So many of AA's 777 are less then 10 years old, its premature to speculate when they are retired when teh 767-200 are still flying. AA may end up with an international fleet of only 787-9, who knows?

They have to go eventually - AF/KL, BA etc are already plotting the end of their 772 fleets way out into the future, and I dare say UA/CO will be thinking along the same lines as well. Its not too early to speculate when there are 789 and A359 orders going in for the replacement of 772 fleets in many places - and in some cases 15 year old 772ER are already being retired to make way for newer, more capable planes.

The 772 is AA's workhorse and will be around for a long time yet, but the mere fact they've ordered the 789 says to me they are very much thinking about their replacement. As for the 762s etc - there isnt anything else that can do the same job - if an A321 or 752 is too small and a 763 or A332 or 788 is too big.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18435 times:

Quoting aircellist (Reply 16):

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 4):
Quoting fxramper (Reply 2):
This is pretty comical since AA uses 777 on 98% of it's flights to Heathrow. Ourpay is playing the pr game (again). It's not working (again).

As was mentioned on another thread, they are hoping to go to a half hourly 'shuttle' at peak times so smaller aircraft would be logical.

Am I the only one to find that level of fragmentation ridiculous? What is the limit? Using ERJ-170s at every 5 minutes for the BOS-LGA shuttle? Or the successor of the 737 to run JFK-LHR every 15 minutes? It is like trying to compress a limo fare with a public-transit-bus frequency.

Nope, me too.

Its ridiculous. Who needs eleven or twelve LHR-JFK rotations on narrowbodies when you can carry the same amount of people with vastly lower emissions on four A380 rotations? Its ludicrous.

The sooner BA/AA/and IB merge completely their trans-atlantic operations and stop this daft frequency nonsense in favour of fewer flights but with bigger planes, the happier everyone will be. Its no wonder LHR is creaking at the seams.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3760 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18394 times:
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 15):
So many of AA's 777 are less then 10 years old, its premature to speculate when they are retired when teh 767-200 are still flying.

The youngest 767-200 is at least 22 years old. But I think that they will soldier on transcon markets JFK-LAX-JFK and JFK-SFO-JFK till at least 2012. The 300's are still "teenagers", they will continue to fly till at least 2020.
I think that the 787-9 will be the 763 replacement on TATL and South America markets in the early 2020's.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlinemutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 536 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18348 times:

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 5):

With BA soon back to 8 daily and AA at 6 daily thats 14 daily. 2 (or maybe 1) are morning out of JFK leaving 12 for the evening wave. Given curfew at LHR and connection convenience, the 30 min frequency idea is aimed only at JFK eastbound flight programme. But 6pm to midnight ex JFK?

That would not be an increase in capacity so unless the AA 787 configuration is braodly similar to AA777 the use of 787 would mean a capacity cut...unless BA were to up guage some of their frequencies

Probably a more consistent hourly westbound ex LHR.

That doesnt require more slots but will require a bit of slot juggling at LHR


User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7118 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18278 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 18):
The sooner BA/AA/and IB merge completely their trans-atlantic operations and stop this daft frequency nonsense in favour of fewer flights but with bigger planes, the happier everyone will be. Its no wonder LHR is creaking at the seams.

Once done how do you stop the Star Alliance or other carriers from picking up the slack, if you want to stop the issue you need to deal with the infrastructure and not the individual airlines.
Now if you retire the consolidated slots the situation will get even better, but if those slots are re-used for other international destinations the problem at LHR remains, which is the bigger issue, based on the amount of traffic another runway is needed, everyone flying into LHR cannot use A380's.


User currently onlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5495 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18251 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 12):
Quoting COalways (Reply 11):
Kinda dissapointing PR after CO annouces IAH to New Zealand & Africa. Maybe AA will have a change of plans once the 787 arrive.

Why is it disappointing to have American announce service with a new aircraft in what is arguably the worlds #1 international market?

Because it isn't Continental? Honestly, I think we have become spoiled on A.net.

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 9):
So much for the much hyped Boeing route fragmentation then ...

Well, in this same thread IAH-AKL and IAH-Africa is mentioned. IAH-AKL? That's not exactly hub-hub, is it?

-Dave



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User currently offlineelmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1537 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18248 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 19):
The youngest 767-200 is at least 22 years old. But I think that they will soldier on transcon markets JFK-LAX-JFK and JFK-SFO-JFK till at least 2012. The 300's are still "teenagers", they will continue to fly till at least 2020.
I think that the 787-9 will be the 763 replacement on TATL and South America markets in the early 2020's.

Nothing official (or even mentioned), but I'd speculate that American will replace its 767-200s with reconfigured 767-300s in a three class configuration (10F/30C/~150Y) rather than being retired.


User currently offlineDelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1508 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18128 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 2):
This is pretty comical since AA uses 777 on 98% of it's flights to Heathrow. Ourpay is playing the pr game (again). It's not working (again).

Depending on AA's configuration of the 789 it's almost an exact capacity match for the 772. Poorly written PR though.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
Don't be surprised when the 787-9 becomes AA's 772ER replacement...

Or everyone elses, for that matter.

Quoting mayor (Reply 8):
IIRC, wasn't AA's 787 order predicated on the ok given by the pilots? Have the pilots given their ok, yet?

Nope. We'd have seen PR from Boeing.

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 9):
So much for the much hyped Boeing route fragmentation then ...

This is AA we're talking about. This is exactly the last airline you would look at to lead the fragmentation charge. Thier strategy is about bolstering their trunk routes.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
Can the 789 do all the missions AA's 772ERs do with the same payload?

Easily.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 18):
Its ridiculous. Who needs eleven or twelve LHR-JFK rotations on narrowbodies when you can carry the same amount of people with vastly lower emissions on four A380 rotations? Its ludicrous.

The sooner BA/AA/and IB merge completely their trans-atlantic operations and stop this daft frequency nonsense in favour of fewer flights but with bigger planes, the happier everyone will be. Its no wonder LHR is creaking at the seams.

No one has said anything about flying narrow bodies. This will be a reduction in capacity, probably an even more dramatic one as 744s are replaced with 777s.

This is JFK-LHR we're talking about, after all. It is all about the front cabin, and when you're trying to get people to pay for the front cabin, having the most convenient departure makes a heck of a lot of sense.

[Edited 2010-09-02 10:11:53]

25 nyc2theworld : AKL is a hub of fellow *A carrier NZ.
26 PlanesNTrains : True, but traditionally flights of this length would be routed over a mid-point hub. In this case, this is a very long flight, taking advantage of th
27 American 767 : Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking. All JFK-LAX flights are 762's, flown 8x daily each way. JFK-SFO is flown 5x daily each way, 4x with 762 equi
28 aajfksjubklyn : The 772 is AA's workhorse and will be around for a long time yet, but the mere fact they've ordered the 789 says to me they are very much thinking abo
29 bonusonus : I'd love to see a plane with unpainted carbon-fiber. That would look awesome. What does the CRFP look like when unpainted? I've seen pictures of the
30 DFWEagle : JFK-LAX is flown 10x daily each way, all 762's.
31 elmothehobo : That's something they'll deal with when they decided what to do with the 767-200s. With no plans (at least public) out there, any number of things co
32 aircellist : But then, what is the end point of that logic? Would the "ideal" be like a business-jet shuttle, at every 10 minutes? Front cabin only, in that case.
33 YULWinterSkies : Yeah, more hub-to-hub 7-8 hours flights. What else did you expect? It is not because the 787 can fly 16 hours that it can't fly 8. These are very few
34 bobnwa : Big PR splashes are maybe important to some on A. net but do you really think that it is important to future customers on a possible route two years
35 Post contains links and images Blythy : yup. mclaren have been doing it for a few years now, CFRP body, chrome...ish outer.
36 Delimit : Someone correct me if I am wrong. They aren't increasing frequency; they are getting a JV, coordinating their schedule and calling it a shuttle. They
37 PlanesNTrains : I don't disagree, but I think the problem is that we are starting to get into the absolute's that are really just more semantics. The A380's are flyi
38 sydscott : Why would they give their competitors 4 years notice of a new route for their 787's? It's only idle speculation by Arpey anyway because he wouldn't k
39 Viscount724 : Almost without exception, the carrier with the highest frequency has the highest market share, especially in markets with a high proportion of busine
40 PacificClipper : Let's not forget that AA has cut down dramatically on domestic widebody operations (like most legacies). I think aside from replacing the 762s, some
41 ltbewr : Fewer seats in coach with a higher proportion of seats in Business/First on a smaller aircraft can equal greater yield. If someone offers the 'newest'
42 American 767 : I don't think that ORD-DFW will see the 763, not that we know, because it sees all Super 80's with the exception of one B777 for repositioning. With t
43 PPVRA : I'd imagine this would be a good route to test the airplane and train crews. You will also get the most out of the economic benefits provided by it si
44 LipeGIG : The 789 could replace the 772 on some routes (such as LHR, but i also include Buenos Aires, Tokyo and Sao Paulo), while the 772 probably will replace
45 flyguy89 : Agree...how boring was this? LHR is AA's highest frequency TATL route, I don't think any one wasn't expecting the 787 to appear on a few of the frequ
46 tayser : And this is something you'd hope AA would do - they're relationship with QF is all a one way street. When was the last time AA had a scheduled servic
47 328JET : What a waste of capability. This is nearly a domestic sector for the B789...
48 tayser : Using that logic QF are wasting their 763s & 330s on MEL-SYD, SYD-BNE, BNE-MEL, MEL-PER & SYD-PER... all of which are likely to see upgrades t
49 Post contains images 328JET : My statement was ironic... I know that no other aircraft is available for shorter longhaul sectors. But it would be more efficient to offer a lighter
50 ChrisNH : I knew this was likely to happen. The whole value-prop of the 787 was supposed to be 'long-and-thin' routes that can't now support nonstop point-to-po
51 bobnwa : If it makes financial sense, and you were running the airline, are saying you would not do it.
52 PPVRA : I'd still like to know how this announcement invalidates Boeing's value proposition for the 787. I'm not saying they are right, it may very well be a
53 LondonCity : I guess in the same way, we have A380 operators using the giant plane on routes for which it was never designed. For example, EK between BKK and HKG
54 DFWEagle : Come on people, this is not an "announcement" and there is no press release. Arpey was being interviewed by someone and they asked him where the 787
55 Delimit : It's not like you have to fly it to the far end of its range for it to burn less fuel. It should be more efficient than anything AA uses over the Atl
56 vv701 : Current uncordinated departures from JFK at peak times are: 06.15 pm (AA100) 06.20 pm (BA112) 07.00 pm (BA174) 07.35 pm (BA176) 08.20 pm (AA104) 09.2
57 LondonCity : Yes and no. In AF's case for LHR-CDG it was to do partly with crew training and partly to showcase its best products. Reason is that the average UK t
58 CHRISBA777ER : The most telling one is ZRH-SIN - few people ever envisaged SQ sending the big girl there but they have and its been a smash hit. The fact is (and th
59 bonusonus : However, when the fuel costs are 15-20% less for these routes, that can change the economics a bit. I'd be surprised if AA doesn't launch some new ro
60 LondonCity : Good point. All but one (ie AA) of the five major airlines plying the LHR to New York route does not offer proper flat-bed seating in J class. AA's a
61 Delimit : One would hope AA updates their J product before the 787 arrives, seeing as they have not even officially been ordered yet, and the 789 won't be flyi
62 328JET : ... which was nonsense and pure marketing from the begining
63 DFWEagle : Well, they have ordered 42 aircraft with options for 58 more so they could easily end up with 100 of them just with what is on the books now. The 777
64 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : With 800+ on order, you have to assume that the great majority will be on more traditional routes. The aircrafts capabilities and cost to operate pro
65 Delimit : Nonsense was the point to point flying argument, or at least, the etreme interpretation of it that we've seen. I rather doubt even Boeing thought we'
66 MAH4546 : A new hard product is going to be rolled out well before that. It might even be announced next month. Emphasis on might. British Airways is supposedl
67 ckfred : But wouldn't you want to put your newest airplane on a high-profile TATL route? If given a choice between a 777 on ORD-LHR-ORD or flying ORD-JFK-LHR-
68 CAL764 : Replacement on such routes so they can be better well utilized? Possibly decrease cycles on the frames on longer routes..I know a FA on AA 777's that
69 United_fan : IMO,JFK-LHR on a 777 is over kill,unless there is a lot of freight. What will AA use to Haiti when they phase out the 763?
70 SPREE34 : Huh? Since when do Pilots "OK" the purchase of an equipment type? True, the craft will need to be negotiated into their contract. The pilots can be a
71 OP3000 : I don't think they yet have the answer to that. In fact I see the last of the 763s being kept longer for the high-density/cargo Caribbean routes, sim
72 Delimit : Well yes, but the pilots aren't anywhere close to agreeing on that contract, so AA has been waiting for the contract to be worked out. Hell, it's par
73 SPREE34 : Haven't missed anything. I get the APA newsletters directly. Let's see, no agreement on 787s.........wonder how they would look in Eagle's paint sche
74 AA767400 : Let's hope so. They're 763 is in need of a serious refurbishment. The J seat was next generation for AA, but 5 generations behind many others. Those
75 MAH4546 : Please, that's a beyond ridiculous exaggeration. It is light years ahead of what all other U.S. carriers had at the time, not to mention many Europea
76 Delimit : Oh wow...just thinking about the AA pilot's union's possible reaction to that makes me wish I had good enough photoshop skills to mock one up and pos
77 MAH4546 : It will not be just the 767s, but the 767s will get it first as they do not have an F cabin. I've been hearing lots of rumors about configurations of
78 wingman : Are these AA 787 orders officially on Boeing's books?
79 Post contains links LipeGIG : Agree 100%, that's the worst decision and it's good to know that AA knows that ! I don't see advantages on it. Better to wait and see what competitio
80 ckfred : The order isn't confirmed until AA and the APA reach an agreement on a new contract. If you look at the Boeing website, AA isn't shown as having orde
81 JBo : The green is the bonded primer ... unpainted carbon fiber is, as one may guess, black. Having an unpainted CFRP airframe would absorb heat like no ot
82 OP3000 : Updating the branding might be wise - since going forward the next type of aircraft coming to the fleet after the 789s will probably be carbon fiber
83 LipeGIG : Thanks for the remark but i did show that it's just an intention.
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