LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22077 posts, RR: 51 Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4412 times:
American and Alaska Airlines today filed with the DOT to broaden their code-share partnership to include US-Mexico transborder routes.
AA proposes to place its code on the following city-pairs operated by Alaska Airlines, and/or Horizon Air.
Los Angeles-Mexico City
Los Angeles-Guadalajara
Los Angeles-La Paz
Los Angeles-Loreto
Los Angeles-Mazatlan
Los Angeles-Zihuatanejo
Los Angeles-Manzanillo
Los Angeles-Puerto Vallarta
San Diego-Puerto Vallarta
San Francisco-Puerto Vallarta
OST-2010-TBA
Seems like an easy and quick response to loosing Mexicana.
[Edited 2010-09-02 18:21:31]
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as739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5821 posts, RR: 23 Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4315 times:
Interesting, no Cabo (SJD) flights!
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22077 posts, RR: 51 Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4257 times:
Well with American serving LAX-SJD themselves, probably don't want to be giving away traffic and revenue to AS needlessly.
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WA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2043 posts, RR: 13 Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3812 times:
This should put an end to all the speculation here that AS will be winding down their relationship with AA, and will have an exclusive relationship with DL.
AS's decision affirms that they are content to work with both AA and DL, and have no plans any time soon to choose one or the other.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3746 times:
Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 4): This should put an end to all the speculation here that AS will be winding down their relationship with AA, and will have an exclusive relationship with DL.
Only on A.net It is a well known fact tha AS is a whore among code-share agreements and that will not change and for good reason.
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LDVAviation From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 760 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3641 times:
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5): Only on A.net It is a well known fact tha AS is a whore among code-share agreements and that will not change and for good reason.
For the sake of its frequent flyers, I think AS knows that to preserve the value of its miles it is better to remain associated with AA and its partners (BA, Cathay, QF, etc.)
Delta's SkyPesos and its ragtag bunch of partners (AF, KLM, et. al.) just don't have the same prestige value.
Seatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 585 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3641 times:
Can they codeshare with DL on these routes too? I'm sure DL would want exposure to many of these routes.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3557 times:
Quoting Seatback (Reply 7): Can they codeshare with DL on these routes too? I'm sure DL would want exposure to many of these routes.
I'm not totally sure that with AA moving first, DL can on the same city pairs. I'm not an ex[ert though. I'm sure someone will chime in.
[Edited 2010-09-03 08:52:02]
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ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4658 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3410 times:
Yet, this still raises the issue of what AA will do with regards to U.S.-Mexico traffic going through ORD. With Mexicana grounded, AA has to send traffic that was either O&D ORD or connecting through ORD to either MIA, DFW, or LAX.
laxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 385 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3379 times:
Good for AA and AS. I think that this is good for AA because it allows them to get their name out there more in the Mexican market. This also serves as a good code share for connections; it will make it easier for pax coming to LAX thus allowing to travel the US and more on AA. Will AS be increasing frequencies?
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22077 posts, RR: 51 Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3369 times:
Sure DL and AS could codeshare, however Delta has a nice(much bigger) Mexico partner already - AeroMexico.
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hatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1453 posts, RR: 15 Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3323 times:
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5): It is a well known fact tha AS is a whore among code-share agreements and that will not change and for good reason.
Every airline in an alliance then therefore is a codeshare whore. I don't know why AS is always the only one labeled this.
ASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 891 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3267 times:
Quoting hatbutton (Reply 12): Every airline in an alliance then therefore is a codeshare whore. I don't know why AS is always the only one labeled this.
I could care less what others call Alaska. We are one of the most profitable U.S. airlines right now with one of the highest profit margins, even higher than WN. If being a codeshare whore puts more profit sharing in my pocket then good on us!
hatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1453 posts, RR: 15 Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3236 times:
Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 13): I could care less what others call Alaska. We are one of the most profitable U.S. airlines right now with one of the highest profit margins, even higher than WN. If being a codeshare whore puts more profit sharing in my pocket then good on us!
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3174 times:
Quoting hatbutton (Reply 12): Every airline in an alliance then therefore is a codeshare whore. I don't know why AS is always the only one labeled this.
Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 13): I could care less what others call Alaska. We are one of the most profitable U.S. airlines right now with one of the highest profit margins, even higher than WN. If being a codeshare whore puts more profit sharing in my pocket then good on us!
You guys are acting like I mean it in a bad way. Sure, the word whore is a terrible connotation but notice that I said "and for good reason". Alaska does what it has to do, period. I like that.
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hatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1453 posts, RR: 15 Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3110 times:
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15): You guys are acting like I mean it in a bad way. Sure, the word whore is a terrible connotation but notice that I said "and for good reason". Alaska does what it has to do, period. I like that.
No worries. It's hard to tell because usually people say it in a negative way which I don't understand because it's a good strategy.
OzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4682 posts, RR: 23 Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2999 times:
Hey, I whore myself out to my employer 40-48 hours a week in exhange for $$$, as most people do...not sexually of course (no good offers yet!) so it's a positive connotation to me as long as my direct deposit goes thru on time.
Glad to see AA and AS cozying up a bit more, should be win-win for both parties...and that's the name of the game.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22077 posts, RR: 51 Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2984 times:
The DOT docket number has been posted. Its OST-2010-0222.
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OP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1678 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2966 times:
Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 6): For the sake of its frequent flyers, I think AS knows that to preserve the value of its miles it is better to remain associated with AA and its partners (BA, Cathay, QF, etc.)
Delta's SkyPesos and its ragtag bunch of partners (AF, KLM, et. al.) just don't have the same prestige value.
AS doesn't really care in the end - with multiple partners they're able to aggregate more traffic to their niche markets (Alaska and up and down the West Coast all the way to Mexico). And they don't lose much my having too many codeshare partners - both DL and AA provide little competition / overlap on the routes that AS covers.
GlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 601 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2711 times:
If AA or UA don't add ORD-MEX/GDL/MTY... someone will jump in. Be it AS with AA codeshare, or CO showing they are the boss, someone will be there.
ASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 891 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2642 times:
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15): You guys are acting like I mean it in a bad way. Sure, the word whore is a terrible connotation but notice that I said "and for good reason". Alaska does what it has to do, period. I like that.
Not at all. I've said the same thing myself. It works for AS and I don't think anybody would refute that. I didn't take offense at all.
ASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 891 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2290 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3): es, but AA operates LAX-SJD twice daily, so why compete with itself?
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31122 posts, RR: 74 Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2269 times:
Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 23): Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
es, but AA operates LAX-SJD twice daily, so why compete with itself?
Doesn't stop them from code-sharing on SEA-ORD.
It sure does for local traffic. You need to be connecting onward to an AA flight in order to have an AA* code on an AS-operated ORD-SEA flight.
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25 as739x: Completely forgot they ran LAX-SJD and they can route SFO pax via LAX. *brain fart moment*
26 ASFlyer: And I imagine that it will be the same on the LAX - Mexico flights. You may be able to buy a ticket ORD-LAX-ZLO but not necessarily LAX-ZLO. Or is th
28 LAXintl: In record pace, the DOT approved the code-share today without waiting for the customary 15-day comment period.
29 LAXintl: AA today filed with the DOT to add the recently announced Alaska Airlines Sacramento and San Jose to Guadalajara routes to this code-share arrangement
30 OA412: Oh please, no it's not. In typical fashion, the focus is upon BA, QF, and CX while ignoring the less "prestigious" members of the alliance. Please ex
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